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Given the draft class, seems we’re pretty likely to take a forward at this point. Someone’s gonna drop to us at the 9-11 hole before we reach to a d man. Excting stuff, some real strong players available. Krebs, Dach, Lavoie... or I’d even be excited with a little sniper like Caufield. Maybe one of the higher thought of American kids drops like Boldy, Turcotte or Zegras. Of course, I still have a good feeling about the lottery.
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[GDT] Nucks @ Blues -- 1PM -- 06/04/19 -- A New New Hope
ilduce39 replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
Petey rips one past Binnington!! making a point in that Calder race!! -
[GDT] Nucks @ Blues -- 1PM -- 06/04/19 -- A New New Hope
ilduce39 replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
Nice shift!! -
[GDT] Nucks @ Blues -- 1PM -- 06/04/19 -- A New New Hope
ilduce39 replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
Demko looks sharp.. remember when we were the goalie graveyard? Neither do I. -
I see Jake putting up Ferland-like numbers in the near future... maybe with a few more goals and less assists / total points while bringing speed, defence and a heavy game to the middle 6. There’s a lot of value there. I think the team looks different when he’s out of the lineup and not in a good way.
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Keith’s elbow 100%. What a gutless play. Marchand’s submarines and rabbit punches were chicken poo but for me not in the same league. Plus he kinda embraces the heel role and they’ve knocked out the leafs a few times lately which is strangely endearing.
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So true... I only really follow the Canucks though so I wonder if that’s a league-wide thing or just something brought on in this market due to our rebuild neurosis.
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T-bone
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Forget charging him. Democrats should take a page out of the Republican playbook and elect him to office.
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It’s brought up because when you’re nit picking over the loss of low-probability “assets” it’s worth mentioning that pointing out that “mistakes” are the norm and it’s way easier to evaluate the correct course of action in hindsight than in the moment. You're referencing Emerson Etem who was traded for (Jensen) and a 6th as poor asset management. In hindsight, yeah the Canucks could have avoided that move. At the moment, JB probably knew it was a long shot. Jensen was also a long shot. A 6th round pick is a long shot. The Canucks got way more mileage out of Sutter, Dorsett, Gudbranson than what you’d expect for all the picks given up to acquire them. You’re bringing up a nothingburger from 4 years ago, so yeah if my boss brought up a long shot “mistake” that cost the company next to nothing four years ago I’d think he was an idiot for wasting my time. If he wanted me fired for stuff I did 4-5 years ago (in the open) I’d think he was going senile. Yeah, I get the point. I disagree with the assertion that it’s really hampered the rebuilding effort. There needs to be a margin for error when assessing a GM, sports never go perfectly. Furthermore, it was years ago and we’ve largely stopped making those moves. I think it’s because we have reasonable young NHL-level depth rather than any lingering buyers remorse. In any case, it’s not really an issue anymore.
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Yeah, coaches have deployed Sutter like a rented mule in his time here. Hope he comes back next season fresh after breaking down. Likewise with Baer - likely our 4th highest scoring forward if healthy. Not to be down on Goldy, I like the kid, but Baer brings all the O/Creativity with a reliable defensive game and a willingness to go to the net. Hope he can put together a season next year too.
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That’s a lot of hindsight and ignoring the age difference between Sutter/Baertschi and guys like Richardson/Vrbata. The timelines are also wonky - Roussel wasn’t available when we acquired Dorsett. Add in that Dorsett would likely still be with the club were it not for injury. If your point is that JB could have shuffled the roster without moving any picks, I guess he could have. I think our team is stronger with a healthy Sutter, Baertschi and Dorsett though. If Pearson sticks with Horvat that also helps to mitigate the Gudbranson cost. So.. we could have done it without moving picks, but there was some value in some of those moves.
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Yeah, that’s my recollection of Juolevi’s progress as well. The pick has suffered a negative bias from the get go. We passed on Tkachuk and Sergachev with Chychrun also making the jump early. Plus on the heels of the “Virtanen pick” and with Boeser not yet arrived, everyone was quick to trash Juolevi when he had a perceived lateral year with the Knights. The Canucks IMO shrewdly sent him to Finland and he finished very strong in my memory. I remember watching him at the Juniors that season too and while Finland flopped I thought Olli looked electric (and was praised by his coaches.) I remember he had the highest young d point total or something silly if it wasn’t for Heiskanen. He did have a rough (young stars?) pre season after bulking up to 200 pounds and looked a bit slow... but as he adjusted to his size he looked fine to me as the season progressed. Then there’s this year... another (surprisingly) high scoring season playing against men in a pro league. I’m pretty heartened by that, as he was billed as more of a steady, transition type defender than a guy who can drive offense. In short: he’s shown well in the past two seasons against men, bringing more offense than I’d expect. He was always billed as a player who needed physical development time and wouldn’t be ready as quickly as Serg/Tkachuk/Chycrun so with the injury this year I’m not overly worried about his trajectory - I don’t see the reasoning that his draft ceiling is somehow diminished because he isn’t in the NHL yet. The various pundits I’ve read or listened to all seemed to have the same things to say about him as well - he’s doing fine. I like that he’s got a big, rangy frame to contrast with Hughes. He also (iirc and from what I’ve seen) relies on super quick decision making, vision and great stretch passes to generate his offense rather than skating his way out. Can’t wait to see him hit Jake, Bo or Petey with some long range bombs. I don’t think he’s a sure fire top pairing guy, but he’ll be a great add to our top 4 by the middle of next season if I had to make a bet.
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Huh? As if we simply “don’t accept it” we’ll somehow turn our depth picks into stars? If we get enough GMs fired that the draft odds will turn? its not a matter of accepting or not and has literally nothing to do with apathy. The “plan” was to make the team better, which they have done at every conceivable level. NHL, AHL, prospect pool. The fact we’re sitting 4 points out of a playoff spot in late March despite losing our top2d men for most the year. The fact we had a Calder finalist last year and likely the winner this year and another contender on the way next year. We have a top 3 prospect pool. We’ve developed Horvat into a bonafide captain to be proud of. The team is led by 3 kids who all play the right way and could flirt with 30 goals apiece this year despite not having a real offensive threat from the back end. We’ve turned Markstrom into a legitimate number one and Demko is here too. There’s two top 10 d men on the way next season and a ton of cap space to improve where we want. To top it all off, the team gives an honest effort every night. If you said JB would deliver all that 5 years ago I’d take it in a heartbeat. I don’t care how many draft picks he traded away.
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Jesus, it was a bunch of late picks 5 years ago. Those picks turning into the “place holders” we traded for is usually the best case scenario. There was no conspiracy to “speed things up” with these moves. Just an organizational reality where we had no prospects to take the reigns. Some FA signings to keep us out of the cellar and the reality that it would take years to draft a new core. Like Joe said: focus on the positive moves. That’s why JB still has a job with a notoriously impatient ownership group.
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I’m not sure what your point is here. Is this supposed to show an egregious loss of assets that has set the franchise back? I see 3 2nds and some depth pick change. I see at minimum some reasonably valuable pieces in Pearson and Baertschi for two of those 2nds. What is an “age gapper” other than an NHL-caliber RFA-aged player? You can’t get them on waivers and you can’t sign them since they’re restricted. With the amount of tears shed over UFA contracts the past few years I’m shocked there’s complainig about a few depth picks. The Vey move is a huge outlier in hindsight because a 2nd rounder is a lot of value for a flop. The rest are fair value and the cost of doing business and shuffling your roster without pulling up kids who aren’t ready or overpaying vets to placehold. Not saying any of these moves are perfect or ideal, but the net negative impact is negligible unless you’re playing with 20/20 draft hindsight. Edit: back to the “strategy” comment, in no way can you claim this was their main strategy though... considering their biggest pieces (1st rounders) were never moved for a guy like Drouin for example.
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I’ve said it before.. obviously we could use a Tkachuk on this team, but if we took him in 2016 we’d still need another blue chip d man in the system somewhere along the way. I can appreciate that Tkachuk > Juolevi today by a huge margin.. and hey probably in the future as well, but if Olli stays healthy next year I think he shortens that gap a lot AND has a huge impact on this team’s fortunes going forward simply because of our lack of top quality D men in the system. Long story short: Juolevi might not be as good as Tkachuk but he’ll have a huge positive impact on our team anyways.
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I mentioned FTG tongue in cheekily because we had a big back and forth about a Vey-like acquisition “never” paying off. He had a lot of stipulations around his point though that maybe the Sharpe trade violates. I can’t remember and honestly I brought that up light heartedly - he made a fair point that trading for “late bloomers” doesn’t usually pan out but conversely we explored the (un)likelihood of 2nd-and-later draft picks turning into impact players. My takeaway from it all was that you really need to make hay with your high 1sts during a rebuild phase. Ironically, Chicago wasted a couple on Barker (3rd) and Skille (7th) in building their championship squad before landing Toews and Kane. I guess you don’t need to be perfect.
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Also I found an interesting factoid: Chicago, for all their drafting prowess, acquired a pretty key piece in Patrick Sharp (and Eric Meloche?) for a 3rd round pick (and Matt Ellison). Up until then Sharp was a sub-PPG guy in 3 seasons with Philly’s AHL team (and a cup of coffee / underwhelming stats with the big club). Smells like an age-gap acquisition paying off to me.. but I look forward to the FTG novella telling me otherwise.
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Johnston article in the province today: ”“He always want to get better. He has a Sedin-like mentality,” Brock Boeser said of Horvat. “He’s always in the gym.” https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-extra-horvat-the-horse Might not have been the dream-build they wanted but having that sweet Sedin leadership rub off on the new core might pay off.