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Dumping cap isn’t the main part of the deal. Still getting two firsts and two seconds (or roughly three first rounders of value). And Lafreniere isn’t really projected as a McDavid level prospect. Very good #1 overall, but not a generational level pick. But nonetheless, maybe I’m taking it too easy on the Habs here. I was basically giving the 2020 first overall pick a value of 4 first round picks (pick value charts suggest this has been around the value of first overall historically). Roughly speaking, we’d be keeping 3 first rounders of value (#9 + #39 + 2021 first and second rounders) and giving back around 1 first round pick in value for the cap dumps. But maybe given that Lafreniere is an above average #1, and he’s French too, the Habs should pay more. 5 first round picks? Still no deal? 6 first round picks? Just curious what return would be enough to consider moving the first overall? The cap dump itself is really not the main part of the deal. That’s merely using around one first round pick of the return value (out of multiple first rounders worth of value), to solve current the cap issues. We can leave the cap issues alone, for the time being. What’s an acceptable return for first overall? Or just don’t trade it, under any circumstances?
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So, I was thinking, if we lost the play-in, and won the lottery, would it be worth considering trading first overall? Like maybe something along the lines of this scenario: Vancouver trades 2020 first overall pick (Lafreniere) + Loui Eriksson (full contact weight, zero retention) + Jordie Benn (zero retained). Canucks receive Montreal’s 2020 first round pick (9th overall), 2020 second round pick (39th overall), 2021 first round pick, and 2021 second round pick. Who says no?
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Looks like rehab is going well on Arty’s upper body injury:
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Vasily Podkolzin | #92 | RW
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME replied to GoldenAlien's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Pure ceiling: all that and more. He has the potential to be a first line/star talent that pushes his individual scoring rate up to around a point per game, while making strong contributions all over the ice (defense/checking, retrieval, possession, playdriving, physicality, energy, leadership, special teams, etc). Podkolzin has a wealth of raw talent, plays a relentless, high energy, two-way game, drives play at both ends of the ice, creates a tonne of chances, extends possession, and has an impressive arsenal of overall offensive skills. He has the potential to be a Mark Stone level player (or a Mark Messier type, if you wanna quote Igor Larionov). I could see him becoming the type of player that regularly posts elite level GAR/WAR (and similar overall stats measures for on-ice effects). In terms of pure potential, his ceiling is very high. But like all prospects, the odds are he doesn’t hit his ceiling. Most likely range: middle-six winger who can play either side, all situations, 40-60 points per season, along with a very nice fancy stats profile. Best C match, Petey/Bo/Gauds: TBD. -
I want to take the sound from that clip and loop it into a full length asmr video. Just watching a few seconds has my brain buzzing with endorphins. I miss hockey. Also agree on Stech. Really nice to see him back on the ice. Hopefully just being out there is helping him work through some of what he’s feeling. My heart goes out to him.
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Vasily Podkolzin | #92 | RW
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME replied to GoldenAlien's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Well said, comrade! Our players have nothing to lose but their chains! Forward to victory! -
Vasily Podkolzin | #92 | RW
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME replied to GoldenAlien's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I’m more looking forward to their glasnost, personally. -
Sounds petty, but depends on what the whole story is. Certainly, if the Canucks are actually telling him he’s “not welcome,” than it would be better to just terminate the deal and let the kid free. But is Palmu willing? Would he terminate now, or want to wait until his last signing bonus gets paid? Are the Canucks really shutting him out, or do they think his development is better served playing another year in Europe? Did Palmu really burn bridges in Utica? Are they really punishing him for his public comments? It’s hard to know the whole story. I’ve heard a fair amount coming from both sides, and none of it sounds very good, as far as the relationship between Palmu and the Canucks, or his chance for a future with this organization. If they’re really done with each other, and just waiting out the clock on his ELC, then termination would be the right thing to do, assuming both parties are willing. But also have to say, Benning has generally been more than accommodating, when it comes to trying to do the right thing by players. I’d be surprised if management is just punishing Palmu. Haven’t really seen that kind of pettiness from them before. It might be that Benning is letting Cull make the decisions on whether or not he wants Palmu in his team, and just keeping his nose out of Utica business, at least when it comes to this (relatively minor) level of player decision. Whatever that case, I do think that Palmu, assuming he wants to, should be given a chance to come back over, attend the camps, to try to earn a spot. Of course, it’s hard to say what that would entail these days, given the uncertainty around COVID-19, and when the next season will even happen. It’s also quite possible that the Canucks are just focused on more important things than where Palmu is gonna play next year, and are being more indifferent than petty, simply because they have much bigger things on their plate right now.
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Vasily Podkolzin | #92 | RW
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME replied to GoldenAlien's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Have to imagine Mikey D bought a few dinners for his mates in the summer of 2018. -
The Miller trade looks really good right now, but that doesn’t negate the fact that, on pure value, it was a questionable move at the time it was made. Nobody, not Benning, nor the pro scouting staff, believed they were actually acquiring a >point per game player and team scoring leader in JT Miller. Based on the player value at the time, and the conditions (TBL cap issues, June trade market), the Canucks did overpay, or at least they paid at the very top end of what could be considered a reasonable price range for Miller. It worked out really well, but that was by no means a guarantee, and I doubt even the most optimistic people in the room on that day in June 2019 were banking on Miller becoming the contributor he was for Vancouver in the 2019-20 season. It’s a win right now, clearly. But will it still be a win if the first round pick turns into a HHOF level player? Would it be fair to judge the trade negatively if that first round pick vastly over-performs its expected value? Probably not. So is it fair to judge the trade a win after Miller over-performed his expected value? I guess it depends on how you want to look at things. For me, the question is whether or not it was a win when Benning paid what was almost universally considered a very steep price for Miller? Even if Benning and the Canucks’ pro scouts knew they were getting 2019-20 JT Miller, was it a good decision to pay top end/higher than market value at the time? Could the trade have still been made if the Canucks has offered less? Based on the values and conditions on the day the trade was made, did Benning get the best deal he could? Maybe that all sounds nitpicky, and I admit, it kinda is. I really don’t care any more about the valuations in June of 2019. The player we have today in JT Miller is well worth the price that was paid. He’s worth significantly more than what was paid. It worked out really well, and I’m very happy the deal happened. I was also very happy with the acquisition itself, when it happened. Really liked the player and believed Miller would be an excellent addition to the team. But I did question the price, based on the values at the time, and nothing that I’ve learned since the trade really changes that. I guess I look at it this way: would it have been a great trade of the Canucks traded Jyrki Lumme in 1997-98 for a 1998 sixth round pick? Definitely not. But what if they drafted Datsyuk with that pick? Would it now be a legendary trade? Robbery? For me, the answer is no. Dumping Lumme for a very late pick would’ve been a bad trade. Doesn’t matter if you luck out with the pick. The trade is judged by the value at the time it’s made. (EDIT: Maybe Lumme is a bad example, since he wasn’t retained and was on an expiring contract, so getting something for him, rather than nothing, would possibly have been a good trade, especially in a losing season. But that doesn’t really change my point. ) With Miller, a lot of credit goes to Benning and the pro scouting staff for identifying a player in JT Miller who was a perfect fit for this lineup, and excellent target identification for and under-utilized/undervalued player with the potential to blossom in a larger role. And I do give them a lot of credit for this. It was a great addition and some very smart pro scouting. But they also lucked out. They just did. Miller has outperformed their wildest dreams. I just can’t give them credit for “knowing” that he’d come in and score 72 points in 69 games, because they just didn’t. Benning paid a steep price. Almost certainly more than he needed to, to get the deal done. It worked out, but the cost was high, and this created more risk than was absolutely necessary, in terms of the value of the assets involved (based on the June 2019 market). This really hasn’t changed for me. Do I really care? Nope. Love JT Miller. And I really don’t give a flying **** any more about about the assets that were sacrificed to acquire him. He’s already proven to be well worth the cost (even if it was an overpayment at the time).
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2019-20 Utica Comets Thread
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME replied to GoldenAlien's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
No Vancouver/Utica representation? I’m gonna wait for Canucks/Comets Twitter to let me know how to feel about this. -
It seems the RWNJ’s are already wise to this “plot.”
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Here’s the NHL statement on draft order: 2020 NHL DRAFT ORDER 1. Placeholder team 2. Los Angeles Kings 3. Ottawa Senators (from San Jose Sharks) 4. Detroit Red Wings 5. Ottawa Senators 6. Anaheim Ducks 7. New Jersey Devils 8. Buffalo Sabres Picks 4-8 were determined based on inverse order of regular-season points percentage. Picks No. 9-15 will be assigned to the other teams that lose the eight qualifier series, in inverse order of their points percentage. Picks 16-31 will be determined by the results of the playoffs.
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I know, and nice of you to say. For the most part, I’m good with the past, have processed it, come to terms with it, and have kinda closed the door on that whole time. Just sometimes, like when discussing these kinds of topics, I remember back when I was young, and some of the kids I saw getting hurt, and I wish that somehow I could’ve done more at the time to keep them safe.
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I hear you. My own experiences pale in comparison, but the things I did see happen pretty much ruined organized team sports in general for me for a long time. I still feel guilty for not doing more to help some of the more vulnerable guys that I saw suffering. I tried to help, but at that age, you have so little power (or at least that’s how you feel) and whenever I confronted the situation, whether to coaches/teachers, or to fellow players, the results were that I either got ignored, made to feel I was breaking “the code,” or I put myself at risk for being a target for retaliation. Eventually, I just shut down, gave up, avoided the more dangerous situations, and mostly just kept quiet. I think in many ways, the sports culture is better now, at least than it was decades ago when I was a kid, but the same problems continue to exist, whether it’s hazing/bullying by teammates, or child abuse at the hands of trusted adults who hold a lot of power. Plus the whole code of silence around it and the ****ed up concepts of masculinity that make it very hard for victims to speak out, or even for the kids who see the victimization happening to call it out, without fearing reprisals or ostracization.
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That would be sexual assault. The forced shaving of someone else’s private area more than qualifies, under Canadian law. That level of hazing might not seem like a big deal to many of us, but for some, such instances of abuse can be extremely traumatizing and have lasting impacts on their mental health. I’m of a similar vintage to you, and while I never played hockey at that level, I did play other sports, as did most of my friends, and the same kind abuse was pretty widespread in my day, and with pretty much all of the team sports (basketball, rugby, volleyball, etc). I also had friends who played junior hockey, and they all have similar stories (especially when it comes to bus trips and “hotboxing”). For me, there was a group of players (most of them multi-sport, star players, and on several teams) who made it their goal to subject every player on their team to getting “pantsed.” For most of us, this was just a one time thing, kinda embarrassing, and then you moved on. But for some, it was pure terror. I had one friend who was a very small guy and clearly hadn’t “developed” yet, and he was absolutely terrified. He took to wearing multiple pairs of underwear and tying up his shorts so tight that he had cuts and bruises around his belt line. I told the coach about the issue and he laughed it off, suggested my friend should lighten up, and that I was being a bad teammate by calling out the perpetrators by name (which was no secret as the coach and several other adults had already witnessed repeated instances). Nothing was done. I shut up and kept my head down from that point on. Another guy tried to fight them off (and he succeeded the first time). Next time, he got jumped by a group, sucker punched, and then they ripped his shorts and underwear off, in full view of the girls’ team (they had practice at the same time) and several adults (coaches and teachers). Nothing was done. Another guy happened to be quite hairy (which I guess they discovered through the first pantsing—and this also led to vicious taunting). He wasn’t a popular player, so he got it really bad. One time he was attacked in the dressing room, stripped naked, and duct tape was applied to his entire private area, front and back. He told the coach. Nothing happened. Other than the abuse just increasing. He spent the rest of high school getting jumped by his teammates on pretty much a weekly basis. Two of the guys who got some of the worst abuse ended up committing suicide before they turned 20. They may have had other issues, but I think the abuse they suffered at the hands of teammates was definitely a contributing factor in their deaths. Who know how many others are still traumatized and have mental health impacts to this day. Or how many more suicides are still coming (it seems like I hear about a new one every time I catch up with my friends from back then). This **** has got to stop.