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$4M seems like an overpay. Unless it’s one of those bonus laden contracts for a guy coming off a major injury? “The player has signed a one-year contract after returning from a long-term injury (has played 400 or more games, and spent 100 or more days on the Injured Reserve in the last year of their most recent contract).” Brown was worth around $4M (or the equivalent cap percentage) from 2020-2022, but I’d have expected him to get less after missing nearly an entire season. EDIT: never mind. Above post confirms its one of those bonus deals, which makes more sense

Sad to see Kyle go, but happy he’s getting rewarded with a healthy raise and some nice security with that 3 year term.

They are doing something! They’re talking to Stecher’s agent.

Much better deal (for Nashville) than I was expecting.

Happy for Schenn. Also happy we didn’t sign him to that deal. I love Schenn but I think that money could be better spent elsewhere. He deserves to get paid. Do I think he’s worth $2.75M x 3? No. I don’t think he brings that level of player value. But he’s also been far more valuable (especially on intangibles and character/in the room impacts) than the series of very cheap short-term deals he’s been on for the last several years. So I’m very happy to see him cashing in and getting some term and security at this point in his career.

Myers is a combined -14.6 GAR over the past eight seasons. -6.8 GAR for his four seasons with the Canucks. By Evolving Hockey’s value model, he’s been -$20.1M combined (negative) player value over the last eight seasons. -$10.2M (negative value) over his four seasons with the Canucks. And he’s -$11.2M for his career (which includes a Calder winning rookie season). While I think the analytics do tend to be a little harsh and undervalue Myers, and that models like GAR aren’t exactly perfect in measuring individual player value (especially for defencemen), it’s still a pretty strong indicator that this isn’t a player who brings much net value to the ice. Or, perhaps more clearly stated, this is a player whose negative impacts tend to erase the positive value of the good things he does for his team. That’s been the story for most of the last decade with Myers. I don’t see that changing in the future. Especially at age 33 and given the typical curves for age related decline. I tend to think that, at this point, just about any “replacement level” player could slot into the lineup for Myers and there’d be a negligible impact on the overall team results. Perhaps it would even be an improvement (certainly the stats suggest so). And there’s clearly a lot of room for improvement, if Myers were to actually be replaced with a really good player who brings significant positive value (instead of just replacement value). Even if the Canucks end up carrying 50% retention on his contract, there’s still enough room to add a replacement player that would create a net gain in team performance and salary efficiency. We’ll see what happens today, but if the rumours are true and the Canucks are parting ways with Myers, it’s most likely going to be a good thing. So long as they don’t screw up by signing the wrong replacement player and adding another inefficient contract to the books (which is definitely a real possibility, when it comes to the UFA market).

Good for OEL. Seems like a nice landing spot for him. I have no doubt that, if healthy, he can bring value to a $2.25M contract. I’d probably even welcome him back here at that number (and a one year deal).

Nah, NMC’s can be waived. Let’s keep this ball rolling and go for 500 pages!

Wonder how far apart they are? Have to imagine if Burroughs doesn’t see significantly better terms from other teams, he might circle back and take whatever was on offer from his hometown Canucks (assuming that contract remains on the table).

Hopefully some of the higher end undrafteds (like Asplund) will be getting invites to development camp. Masden Leslie (50 point RHD with good size who played in our own backyard with the Giants) would be another undrafted kid worthy of an invite. Really surprising he wasn’t picked. Some people had him ranked as high as the third round. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/565459/mazden-leslie Prince George’s Hudson Thornton is another WHL defenceman who’d be worth a look. Went undrafted for the second year in a row, despite earning some high rankings (Malloy #87; EP #101) as a re-entry, and posting a 74 point season in his D+1. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/483418/hudson-thornton

Yeah, they will have two years of draft rights. Mueller would need to be signed before August 15th, 2025, or he goes to free agency.

I haven’t paid a second of attention to Alriksson before today, but his scouting reports are intriguing. The positive reports on his skating are exciting, given his enormous size. As are the reports of flashes of higher end abilities. Without knowing his history, and whether or not he’s recently had a growth spurt, it’s hard to know if his inconsistency and underwhelming stats are partially due to him being awkward in his body and needing time to really get comfortable with his size, and also grow into his frame. There seems to be agreement that he’s still very raw, which could mean there’s a lot of potential for development. Nothing wrong with taking on a 6’6” project. Especially one who can skate and who might have yet untapped talent and abilities.

From an HFBoards user: Perkins is one of many interesting draft eligibles on the USHL's Youngstown Phantoms roster this year. Played his original draft year last year in the SJHL with the Humboldt Broncos.Perkins looks like an interesting "glue" player, he seems to be in the middle of a lot of plays either breaking them up or starting the rushes up ice. I love his game - very tenacious and persistent all over the ice, great at puck retrievals. Shows good enough skating, speed, and finishing skills to be a legit prospect worthy of draft consideration.Heading to the Minnesota-Duluth next year and he's an excellent fit for the type of forwards that program usually produces. https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/c-matthew-perkins-youngstown-phantoms-ushl-2023-119th-van.2932234/

I’ll be interested to see what his vitals look like once he’s in the NCAA. Right now, his listed weight is a headscratcher. The SJHL had him listed around 175 lbs and then the USHL had him around 155 lbs the next season. Have to think that’s a misprint. Unless he was a really chunky kid when he played for Humboldt and then he lost 20 lbs when he went to Youngstown. Seems more likely he’s around 175-180 lbs now and that 156 listing in an error. The 5’11” height is at least consistent across most sources. Who knows, maybe he’ll be 6’0” and 190ish by the time he’s 20-21?

I don’t even mind it. I think it’s generally a good PR policy for management to try to blow sunshine up the collective arses of the Canucks fanbase whenever the opportunity arises.

Haha, yeah. It’s amazing how every player Allvin likes seems to magically “fall” to wherever the Canucks are drafting.

Sarcasm? Wrong thread? Or are you legitimately really high on Perkins? If so, I’d be interested to hear why? Nothing against him. I think the kid has potential and he’s heading to a good program for his development at UMD. I just don’t recall ever hearing him rated much higher than the 100’s, either in his D or D+1 years, so I’d be interested to know why you see second round pick value (if that’s really what you meant)?

UMD should be a good spot for Perkins to develop. Bronwyn Pichetti (PSA Master Coach rating with 21 years experience as a skating coach and a former USA gold medalist figure skater) works with both the UMD men’s and women’s teams on skating and has achieved good results with their players. They also have a solid training, strength and conditioning, and human performance staff.

If he’d gone undrafted, yes, but sounds like there was interest and he’d have gotten drafted by somebody else, if not Vancouver. Reentries almost never make it onto the public rankings lists, but that doesn’t mean these players don’t feature on NHL teams’ internal lists. I wouldn’t be surprised if several teams had Mueller targeted for the 4th round, despite him being “unranked.”

This smells like a Scott Young (Vancouver’s director of player personnel and resident NCAA guru) pick. (And that’s a good smell btw. ) I was a little surprised initially to see an overager/reentry like Mueller go this early, but sounds like the Canucks probably weren’t the only team looking at him in the fourth round. Definitely have no issues with them targeting and drafting this player. Reentries do tend to go in the later rounds but it sounds like Mueller was on the radar for a few teams in the fourth round and the Canucks needed to step up at #105 or else they’d likely miss their chance. Canucks Twitter, of course, is going to call it a “wasted pick” (tons of tweets already saying this), but this could actually prove to be a very good decision for Vancouver. Mueller has a pretty good chance to become an NHL player, and I’m a big believer in Scott Young’s ability to spot talent in the college ranks. JD Burke, surprisingly, has a very fair take:

From HFBoards a couple months ago: https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/f-ty-mueller-university-of-nebraska-omaha-ncaa-2023-105th-van.2919826/ Mueller has had a strong sophomore season in the NCAA posting 25 points in 31 games, which ranks #20 among u20 players in the NCAA. Mueller has been a real dynamic presence for UNO, he's a deft and accurate passer, and good at creating plays on the move. His first-step acceleration catches defensemen off guard and he's always a threat for steals and turnovers.Mueller played his COVID-shortened draft year in the AJHL in 2020/21 with 15 games played. Jumped straight to the NCCA last year and this year he's been the top center for the surprising University of Nebraska-Omaha team, including a Hobey Baker nomination on the early long list.Currently he's injured and his team is right on the edge of the NCAA tournament picture, so he might have played his last game of the season already. I think he could get taken surprisingly high but I would expect him off the board by the end of the 4th round.

Great pick! Definitely nice to snag a player who was rated this high. Almost like we kept our 2nd rounder.

Not surprising. Bailey is well into his decline years, at 33 years old, and had a big drop off in performance last season (worst scoring production rate in over a decade, by counting stats, and he was negative value analytically, to the tune of around -$4M in player value).

And two free players who were actually positive value last season by the analytics. I get that with cap dumps on negative value or really inefficient contracts, you have to expect to get basically zero return (other than future considerations) or pay sweeteners (like the 2nd for Bailey dumped today), in order to clear cap space. But actually giving away good players for free? And players who outperform their contracts? That’s always a little shocking to see. By SPAR value (Evolving Hockey’s model), Kostin and Yamamoto together represented $9.5M in player value last season, on just $3.9M in total cap hit. They’re both 24 years old. It’s so crazy to see teams forced to throw away talented young players who are actually surplus value, and get no return for those assets.

Only $3.5M actual salary for Bailey in 2023-24 on the final year of his $5M AAV contract.