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DeNiro

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  1. Even if the D stays the same I don’t see how they can be worse than this season with a good defensive coach hire. Not to mention a healthy Demko changes everything. But I’m still hopeful we can unload a couple contracts up front and shift more money to the D. I doubt they wait out all those contracts. Myers is tradeable after his bonus, and I still think someone takes a chance on Boeser for cheap, same with Garland. When you look at the way contracts are trending those deals provide value. As for Pearson, it’s sounding like things are pretty serious with his injury, might not even have to worry about that contract. Why can’t fans wait and see what happens before we assume nothing will get done. Like there’s lots of different variables that can happen between now and the offseason. It’s silly to think that the only way is to blow it all up.
  2. Stamkos still hasn’t scored… Looking like we’ll accommodate yet another NHL milestone on our home ice.
  3. I agree. There are solid bones there, just need some meat. Management is tasked with clearing cap and building up our depth. That’s what I’ll judge them on.
  4. Give it a rest. You act like he murdered someone. He got caught gambling on sports before it could be monetized by big corporations, so they had to make an example out of him. Gretzky, Jordan, Bure, they were all into stuff that was considered shady at the time.
  5. Yep that’s what it would be. Like what GM in their right mind wouldn’t try building around Pettersson? The guy does everything for this team and we wanna look past him to some hypothetical future where the team builds from scratch through deadline picks and prospects? No guarantee you’ll find a player like Petey for a long time. All we need is some luck in the draft lottery and nobodies talking about rebuild.
  6. And if Horvat is replaced by let’s say Fantilli? A lot can happen by draft and free agency. Projecting that we’re guaranteed to be worse is way too premature. All those players you listed will get minimal raises or be traded/let go, other than Kuzmenko. Not sure how they’re gonna eat up so much of the cap. Once Myers, Boeser, and Garland can be dealt with the cap will no longer be an issue. That’s over 23 million dollars freed up when you include Horvat being traded. Not an easy task but that’s what every Canucks fan should rooting for them to get done.
  7. Hard to argue that. Miller at 70 points ls is still easily worth 8 mil based on the contracts being handed out. Bo needs to accept he’s a 7 million dollar player at most.
  8. You don’t know anymore than I do what players they can trade or can’t, you’re not in the room. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if a team was willing to trade for Boeser, Garland, or Myers on the cheap. Saying I’m living in a dream world when you’re fantasizing about perfect rebuilds that rarely happen is funny. The pieces are here whether you can see them or not. We need to build not throw away the best young talent this team has had in its history. That’s insanity. Petey will get around 3-4 million more on his next deal and Hughes probably around 2-3 million more. The cap is going way up. Why do you think we’ll have no cap space? Check again. The smartest thing this team can do is keep building and shedding bad contracts until Petey and Hughes are in their prime.
  9. Before this season started everyone thought we were gonna challenge for the division, now we’re gonna suck for 2-3 years? What changed? I don’t see a team that can’t compete. I see the team the same way I saw it at the beginning of the season. One that needs to rebuild the D core and get good goaltending. Nothing has changed for me. The task remains the same. Add a superstar from the draft, change up the coaching staff to play with better structure, and acquire a couple good top 4 and the narrative completely changes.
  10. Anyone arguing for a complete rebuild I wanna see you provide a step by step guide to how you’d rebuild. And how we would avoid ending up like the Oilers and Sabres.
  11. Disagree. You’re assuming that we can’t trade any of our players which remains to be seen. If we get a top three pick it completely changes the timeline and the trajectory of this team. Those contracts will expire you know right? What contract would we have in three years that would be hampering us? OEL? Miller? We’d still have a ton of cap space to sign and acquire players at that point. Too many people are thinking worst case scenario and doom and gloom. Which is fair based on past managements blunders. But thinking the only way this team can win is by starting from scratch is false. You’re looking past the great pieces we already have in place.
  12. So the issue is people keep looking at what Benning did and saying that strategy doesn’t work. However there are plenty of examples of teams trading for players that age that go on to become stars for them. It comes down to scouting though. Why Benning failed is because his pro scouting (and even amateur scouting) sucked. You can’t build anything without good scouting. Whether through picks, prospects, or acquiring young players. Any picks we acquire will be later picks with low probably of success. Any prospects we acquire will likely be one’s that teams are willing to part with for a reason. Saying that that strategy has better odds is false. Both can have success or fail based on scouting. The teams that tear it down for picks and prospects have success because they draft high in the draft and they use their cap space wisely. The extra picks and prospects they acquire tend to have little impact in comparison. If they lean hard into the tank this season and acquire one of the top 3 players in the draft Theres no need for a complete rebuild. You’d have Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson and Pettersson, Hughes and Demko to build around. Why would you still need to rebuild? You’ve already got almost all the pieces teams need for a rebuild. The next step is just building up around them.
  13. Well that’s gonna be their task with a Horvat trade. Whether they can get those types of players remains to be seen, but that’s their goal I’m sure. How exactly do we get those high picks you propose? Any picks we get will be from contenders and be late picks. Those picks typically take that long to pan out, if at all. If you’re proposing that we completely tear down the roster so that our own picks are high ones, then that involves a full rebuild. Basically throw out Pettersson, Hughes, and Demko’s prime years (if they even wanna stick around). Acquiring prospects to use in future trades, sure. That’s no guarantee either though. Those prospects could lose value by the time you’re looking to trade them. It would be no less risky than acquiring young NHL players. I think Canucks fans continue to believe that there’s only one way to rebuild. It has to be a scorched earth, trade everyone for picks and prospects, or nothing. There’s other ways to do it that don’t involve wasting the good young talent you have. This team isn’t at the point where it needs to start a rebuild. The rebuild started with Pettersson and Hughes. The goal now is to keep building around them. Whether they call it a rebuild or a retool I could care less. How they surround these guys with talent that plays the right way is what I care about. The goal needs to be that when these guys are in their prime we have a good 5-6 year window to try and win a cup.
  14. So if he targeted players like Byram, Lafreniere, Dobson etc you wouldn’t be happy? I don’t know what kind of rebuild fans even want. Like what does a rebuild look like to you? Selling everyone for 1st and 2nd round picks and hoping they pan out in 6-7 years?
  15. He can’t win at this point. The only way fans would be happy is if he said the word rebuild and said they’re tanking for Bedard. I honestly don’t understand fans obsession with that word. Like it has to be said otherwise he’s an idiot and doesn’t know what he’s doing. Theres gonna be a major overhaul of the roster, it takes time though. Only so much you can do when the last management signed players to bad contracts. The biggest takeaway for me from this is that they’ve chosen a direction. They’re not gonna try desperately to save this season like in the past. And it’s pretty obvious they’re gonna make some moves at the deadline to get younger. I don’t know what else people were looking for.
  16. I see it differently. When Benning said that, he had almost nothing to build around other than an aging core. He targeted guys like Bonino and Sbisa in trades, and thought he could give the Sedins one more playoff run. I don’t see that as the same situation. JR already has a good young core to build around that are still a few years away from their prime. I think we’ll see him acquire younger guys in then 24-25 range that will also be in their prime when our young players are ready to lead the way. I see this as the 05-06 Canucks going forward where they started to build around the Sedins. They moved out some vets and just continued to build for a few years until they were ready to take the next step.
  17. Exactly. Benning targeted guys like Clendening, Baertschi, Pouliot, Granlund, and Gudbranson. Players that obviously weren’t gonna reach their potential and were already well on their way to being disappointing players. These players didn’t simply need a second chance. It will ultimately come down to how well our pro scouts identify players based on how the team wants to play. That will be crucial and something Benning and his group did a very poor job at.
  18. One of the first things I noticed. That to me says they don’t wanna rush him back because he hurts their chances of finishing lower.
  19. Picks are like 7-8 years from being impact players. That’s not their timeline. When he says he wants young NHLers it’s guys like Newhook, Jarvis, Necas, Dobson etc. I have no problem targeting those players. Everyone wants to connect it to what Benning did but I don’t see it that way. Benning was a horrible pro scout and he overpaid for players who were already on the verge of busting. What JR and co hopefully do is acquire actual NHL players who are just being buried on deep rosters. That’s a much better strategy.
  20. Semantics. He probably sees that as a retool. It’s like a politician not wanting to say recession. I don’t care about what word he uses I care about how he goes about fixing it.
  21. He can call it what he wants but it’s a rebuild if he’s doing “major surgery” on the roster. I think he thinks calling it a rebuild means you’re burning it down completely, which obviously won’t happen. Rebuilding around a core that they’ve identified is what they’ll need to do. It’s all just semantics, actions are all that matters. Like I think we’ll be getting rid of 2/3 of our D core, probably rebuilding the entire bottom 6, trading 1/3 of our top 9 and finding a new backup. If that’s not a rebuild I don’t know what is. I think where he sees it differently is with the draft picks. He’s not looking to build the team out through draft picks 7 or 8 years from now. He wants players who are early to mid 20’s that can make an impact say 2 or 3 years from now.
  22. Where did you see that? Read between the lines and Rutherford basically admitted they’re gonna try for the number one pick. Not telling your players to not play hard doesn’t mean they can’t influence results with roster decisions.
  23. Like how limited is your scope when you’ll only hire ex Pens?? There’s zero creativity or boldness in this management’s decisions.
  24. Isn’t that why they had the “review”? If the right things weren’t done shouldn’t you have identified them in your thorough review? And if you did what were they?
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