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  1. Really, when you hear that word, almost everyone in the world thinks of one thing thats it. who gives a frack what numerouss dictionary terminologies say
  2. rumours posted on hf. Im sure there are 10 teams or so interested in either of them. Now its the GM's role to milk and get that extra good piece out of a team.
  3. yes definitely an ability to tweak the deal. Think a deal could be made, let them keep couturier, have some interest in hagg or mcginn. Laughton similar to Horvat? Apparently 2 metropolitan teams are interested. gotta believe Holmgren is in on the action, he always is
  4. kesler,edler to phi for b.schenn,l.schenn simmonds Kesler= schenns: I think Luke Schenn would do well under torts. Edler= Simmonds
  5. i think if anything edler may get moved by deadline. i would say 30% chance. Doubt Kesler gets moved, earliest i could see that is at the draft. Hansen is a player that would be sought after by teams, could package him with either of the above to get a solid return. I hope MG tries to make a move, but i sure as hell hope he doesnt move either for scraps.
  6. some twiiter by harrison mooney, says something like a deal was almost done for kesler for despres and sutter. If that is remotely accurate. We should Fire Gillis now. That is a horrible return. Not sure if there was a cap dump aswell, dont use twitter, posted on hf though aswell
  7. i agree, but we need to make some kind of move. but it does contradict this http://forum.canucks.com/topic/357291-proposal-edler-to-ottawa/ Would you rather move bieksa?
  8. would you trade kassian for pouliot and bennett? Pitts in no way can afford Keslers cap hit this year.
  9. winnipeg is making a playoff push. could use edler. Edler, Hansen, schroeder for E.Kane, Setoguchi resign setoguchi for 2yrs 6.5m total. try him with twins
  10. edler, schroeder for turris,gryba playmaker for kesler. bottom pairing bigger D to play with stanton. Ott gets swedens top D pair, and a 3rd line center
  11. edler for a re signed paul stastny for 4yrs 24m? Doubt he signs for less than 6m. Move kesler to wing, which torts likes
  12. i wanna say jon carlson from washington was for some reason.
  13. they do have some depth yes. Wonder how far away lazar is, maybe 3rd line C next year? Sure looked good at wjc
  14. ya doubt turris would be moved, but id do an even 1 for 1 swap. spezza zib still good top 2 centers up front for sens. Just need a good winger for spezza like stewart or maybe a ufa signing
  15. if ottawa would have interest dont htink they would pay the price, but zibanejad or turris would be the starting point. Still dont get why their fans keep putting Spezza in all their proposals. He is a great player, they need to either play ryan with him or go get a winger for spezza. Cant do much with conacher and oft injured michalek.
  16. he has all the same core players now from day 1 on the job. Adding FA in Hamhuis woul basically wrote his ticket where he wanted to play. If you give up a good amount for a pending FA who is top 6, i would hop the GM would tell the coach, try him with kesler and have Kes slide to the wing. See if theirs some chemistry. So saying that a GM should leave his transactions fully on the coach to use at his discretion is the wrong thing. So ballard fell into the doghouse before every playing? Because he never got a shot in the top 4, which is salary dictates is where he should play, yes we signed Hammer after i realize that. still could have done more to try and make it work. Having a coach not use a guy like him but instead use Rome is horrible, we all but gave Ballard no confidence for when he played and if he made a mistake he got benched. I do recall Tanev being a good pairing with Ballard. You just said Chicago moved some vets, yes Kane and Toews are young, Sharp is a bit older then Kesler, Hossa is older than the Sedins. So you agree that moving some vets to remain competitive and retool/get under the cap/not over pay is a good thing then, well sure sounds like you do anyway. I have never once mention getting or signing Vanek or Moulson in a post ever. Both will command to much money. Who wants to pay Vanek 7m or more for 7 years? I dont. Moulson had great chemistry with Tavares, maybe he signs their but doubt it. Think he is over rated for the $ he will get, plus he is 30 and will get 5yr deal minimum probably. Only reason why we should try to get stastny would be to move Kesler to the wing, give him a quality playmaker. But again, stastny as a UFA will command 4-7yr deal for atleast 6-7m. We just cant afford that. Shorter term 3 years or so, making a commitment to try to contend fine. Also, MG has tied too much $ in our D. We finally get rid of Ballard, overpay for a 1 year player and give him a ntc and 6yr deal in Garrison. I like Garrison but in no way should we have got into a bidding war for his services. I was hoping we would get him, but for 3 yrs and no more than 3.5m. Thats all he is worth. Whats MG hold up signing our most consistant and basically youngest D in Tanev? seems like he loves 4-5m longer term deals. Think Tanev has proven for a while now he is a solid top 4 D man. Why is he not resigned? Sure hope we dont trade him, as Bieksa is getting older and we have 2 ufa smaller right hand d men. Tanev can take some of the workload from bieksa, and we can continue to groom Corrado. Moving 1 of the 4m or more LHD is a move we should look at making, but dont give them away for a prospect, especially a guy who for right now is so overrated like MAntha. Mantha could have been had in the draft just a year ago. And now people want us moving our best offensive D man for him in return. thats unbelievable to me, if a move like that happens, it shows its a total rebuild thats going to happen and you might as well move most of your core and i dont think you would have an issue asking some of the NTC guys to waive if they see us go into a rebuild
  17. chicago has won 2 cups, and they had to retool and majorly change their team after the 1st cup. They got rid of players, stayed competitive, and had to move some players that had impact. Sundin would have been a horrible signing if he agreed to a 2 year deal, if he did would we not have lost the sedins that summer. Ray shero has tried and given up high picks and prospects to increase his chances to win a cup. Atleast they have one a cup. Holmgen Traded 2 of his best including their captain and got great returns for both of them. THose players in return have and will continue to help that team grow and be competitve for years to come. Gillis hasnt traded for a top 4 d man, Ballard doesnt count as he never got used it that role, and he did overpay for him. Then after barely playing him and wasting over 4m in cap for a couple years they bought him out. Same thing with booth, Samuelsson was a leader and really helped our PP during the glory years. Booth never panned out, but yes that deal was worth what we gave up just to bad hes been so injured. Giving up a good prospect D and a 2nd round pick for a smaller skilled center that the coach refused to use in the top 6. That wasnt smart, Roy is not a checking line center. Pahlsson was a good fit for that role but he never seemed interested in staying. Higgins and Lappy were good moves, but in no way did that put us over the top. We have lacked secondary scoring or a decent 2nd unit PP when the chips are on the line. You want to tell me that you want MG a first time ever GM in charge of knowing who to keep, what to get in return? I wouldnt. He at the very least should be moved out of the gm role and let someone with real experience take over. Since the cup finals, we needed a quality top 6 center for Kesler, and we never did replace Salo or Erhoffs good passing ability from the point on the PP. Sounds like a GM hasnt done enough to improve his team. Moving Schneider after an awful handling of two good goalies. As he over valued what he wanted for both possibly. We groomed Schneider for years to become our new #1. And in a last minute move we trade him for a draft pick? That doesnt help improve our team now. We should have got a quality top6 player in return for a prime aged #1 goalie, not a pick who is 2-4 years away from making an impact on our team. With the core we have now we need the help now. I have given Gillis many years to try to show us he is a capable gm, and i just dont see it. And if the time comes in the next year or two where we end up trading some of our core like : KEsler, Edler,Garrison,Bieksa,Burrows,Hansen,Tanev,Luu etc. I wouldnt have much faith in what he gets in return, or how he can move a couple of those pieces and doing a retool while still try to be competitive. I dont expect them to finish 1st in conference every year, but I want to see a team compete hard, see some youth injected in the line up. We need a change in some way, could be a trade. All i know is we have all seen this coming, we all saw the new division we were going to be in and it wasnt going to be easy. But in no way would it be acceptable for us to all of a sudden become a fringe playoff team in the west. Reality is what it is, if some want to defend him thats fine, I just think all along he was the wrong hire and the team back then needed someone who had the knowledge and sense of when his team needs a shake up or change. He has given out big NTC contracts to some players and now they are under performing, and handcuffing them. Hell if Shea Weber can get a huge deal like he did but his GM doesnt authorize a NTC that has to say something. Not like he took a discount. Doesnt matter who the player is they are all multi millionaires who get paid a ton for what they do. ITs a business, life goes on if you dont perform you shouldnt handcuff a team. I truly believe hockey needs to change the way players get paid. I would love to see something like the NFL, where sure they pay huge money for some of their players, but many times theres a minimum they get. Say they sign a guy for 5yr 50m. But of that 50m 25m is guaranteed. It keeps the players hungry, goals to achieve. Instead of getting a NTC on a long term deal worth 4m or more per season. They then have horrid seasons, are overpaid for the roles they play or what have you. Those players should have to restructure their deals if they want to stay on their team. I hope some moves are made, I dont want us blowing up the core at the deadline, but a move or 2 to try and shake things up is needed. Then see what happens, dip in and see what certain ufa;s want. IF we fail to make the playoffs i really think the GM should be on the hotseat. Even if we get in and loose in the first round i dont think its acceptable. Anyways, thats how i feel, I saw us get so close to winning, and dont want to see us fall and become an aging core with a bunch of guys with NTC and have no ability to make improvements. We need some youth injected into our lineup.
  18. Why isn't Gillis the right guy? Does he have a previous poor track record of rebuilding teams? He's got a pretty good track record for retooling one having taken a non-playoff team to the top team in the league and game 7 of the finals... (quote) He isnt the right GM because he has no experience in identifying when his team needs a shake up, be it a core player getting trading, when to not over pay and offer ntc's to a player who has 1 decent year. Gillis was never a GM before coming here, and he came in with a very good group of players to start off his career as an nhl GM. He got us close one year but by no means has he improved our inconsistant scoring over the past 2 years, We have been out played and have seen our same team age, watch a once elite PP drop to among the leagues worst, while having the majority of the 1st PP intact still. Failing to bring in the right players, over paying at the deadline for rentals. If GM MG got fired this year, in no way would he be a top candidate for any GM vacancy. Teams would say wow he had a great group of players and a world class goalie and he didnt make a bold move to get them that added piece on the 2nd line. He asked for too much in return for some of his players. Now he finally got fired and we should try to bring him here to help our team.... No thanks
  19. i dont think they would trade johansen straight up for kesler. id have interest in boone jenner in a deal with columbus
  20. im sure if a deal was reached, ppl with sources with a proven track record like bobby mack, lebrun, friedman etc would have said something. im sure pratt is full of crap trying to get a bunch of ppl calling the station. if we have a trade made i doubt its a big one, sure hope its not a knee jerk reaction...maybe MG is worried about his job if we fail to make playoffs? afterall the owner was on the road with us, and neither would come out and say "yes aqua man told me im canned if i dont get us in the playoffs...'' only a few more days...
  21. wait till the off season to move any of our big pieces, cap goes up alot, allows alot of teams to re assess their team and make a decision then. i like prospects from certain west teams, but i would hope if we move anyone they go back east, that way those guys dont burn us in our own divison or conference with the potential for an early playoff round matchup
  22. Ya i dont want to move him, but he is the kind of playoff denfenceman anaheim is after. I would prefer to move a lhd 1st though. And maybe a forward. If things dont change we have to look at moving other ppl this summer or during next year
  23. sounds like if anaheim wanted one of our d men, it would be bieksa. i would prefer to keep bieksa to help corrado make his way to full time nhler. Maybe Corrado can get a bit more aggressive and hit like bieksa.
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