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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Apr. 21, 2022
aGENT replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I'd like Lyubushkin personally (if we can also move Poolman) Would love Manson but think he's going to cost to much (and is older/less of a long term fit). Would love to get a young D in return for Miller as well. Hughes, Marino OEL, trade/Lyubushkin Dermott, trade/Lyubushkin Burroughs, Schenn Now THAT is a deep, affordable, quality defense. -
I thought we were a bubble team with the myriad roster issues I've already listed (more times than I'd prefer), heading in to this season. I still think we're a bubble team with those same issues. This was never about replacing Miller. You can't/don't do that. His points would need to be "replaced" by having a deeper, better constructed, more cohesive team (with an actual identity)/by committee/by having less goals against/improving our goal differential. None of us are in the room and have no idea, soi have zero desire to speculate. Regardless, making bad cap/term/organizational decisions based on a guy being "good in the room" is a bad mindset. Good in the room or not, he either extends for terms that make sense, or we move him. Period. Welcome to sports (life). There's no guarantees in anything. We'll find out soon enough. Likewise if there's a Miller extension that makes sense ($8mx5 years!) that he'd actually sign (ha!), I'm also all ears.
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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Apr. 21, 2022
aGENT replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
This is why I liked seeing the Marino rumours. Young guy who can skate and play D. A lot like a young Tanev. Yes please. That said, we could still use a defensive guy or two back there with some size and snarl to clear the crease and paste guys in to the boards. But they need to be able to skate decently as well. -
So instead we should bury our heads in the sand of the myriad issues with this roster and double down on a retirement contract that will increasingly be an albatross, just a couple years in to signing it? Sorry bro, that's an excuse. Yes, they're humans. Yes that should be a consideration and any moves should consider it/new guys brought in be deemed of appropriate character. No it shouldn't force your hands on making poor long term decisions that have massive cap and competitiveness implications and failing to address issues/upgrade the roster. This is professional hockey. Trades happen. All the time. To every team. If this roster is too fragile to deal with that, with the goal of improving the roster and making this team more competitive, we're already &^@#ed and may as well tear it down.
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It's not that we can't be competitive the next couple years, with our without Miller. We could/should still be decent, bubble playoff team with the right moves, and could even go on a run here or there. Heck, we could win a cup if things break the right way! As you said, there's a lot of factors involved (luck being a large one). But to become a true "contender" in the realm of teams like Colorado, Tampa, Florida etc... A team people pick likely to be in conference finals every year, at the beginning of the season... We've got work to do. Overly reliant on Demko. Lack size/speed/grit/PK'ers/3C/organizational depth. Major structural and succession issues on RD. We need to address those things, and that's going to take a couple years. And yes, while young players like Pettersson, Hughes or even younger guys like Podkolzin or maybe Rathbone etc could certainly play big parts in success in the interim, the fact is, players usually have greater success in the playoffs in that 24-30 +/- age range. We're not there yet. But that is definitely the age range we should be pushing our efforts towards. Building towards. Again, that doesn't mean we can't have/expect/strive for success in the interim. No team goes from bottom ten team to legit contender in one offseason. We're going to need to walk before we run there, and that inherently will involve some some success.
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Petey and Hughes not even in their primes. Major structural and succession issues at RD, lack of speed, size and grit, PK'ers, 3C, lack of organizational depth to support the roster and overly reliant on Demko. Their play under Bruce has been admirable, but it doesn't change those realities. Our window is +/- 2-7 years.
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Not the D type we need, too old, too expensive. No thanks. We need to move Miller and one of Boeser/Garland for some younger guys like Marino. If we can also move out Myers, maybe the younger, cheaper, better defensively (if less well rounded) Lyubushkin.
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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Apr. 21, 2022
aGENT replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Just to clarify, I think our contention window is +/- 2-7 years from now. I don't think it will take "3-7 years" to contend. At best in that scenario, we get a couple years of something resembling peak Miller. And then it's increasing albatross from there. And Hughes and Petey will be at their absolute peak in +/- 5 years... Miller will be 34 and likely regressing hard and eating $9m cap. RIGHT when we should be making our biggest push. Love Miller now. But that's just bad math. -
Congrats to Casey on his historic shutout!
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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Apr. 21, 2022
aGENT replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Really? Because you keep posting over, and over, and over... about how trading Miller (at all) will lead to Bo leaving because he won't want to be around for a "rebuild". -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Apr. 21, 2022
aGENT replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
There's a myriad of things that could happen. Could be be key UFA's. Using that cap space to grab the next Toews, Miller, Bennett etc. Flipping those assets. Other trades. Dinner combination of all those things. You need to get it out of your head that trading Miller is some "roster death sentence". I'm excited to see how management navigates this summer actually! -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Apr. 21, 2022
aGENT replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
One - that's highly unlikely. Two - that depends. What other moves are made? What do they spend that cap space on? There's a certainly a scenario where we do the unlikely and move Miller solely for prospects and picks and are still competitive next year. -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Apr. 21, 2022
aGENT replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
His agent was recently on with Dhaliwal taking about how much Horvat loves Van and Van lives Horvat. I highly doubt he's going anywhere. For the eleventy-billionth time, moving Miller is not a rebuild. By committee. Better D adding both more scoring from the back end AND lowering goals against. More offense from more speed. We'd need to also sign some of Paul/Tierney/Sturm... Who would also free up Horvat to score more as well. Better constructed, more cohesive (what's our identity?) team = more GF, less GA. Even if no one player directly "replaces" Miller. A Miller extension could... (See below:) Not at any cost you don't. There's a term and cap hit that makes sense for the Canucks to retain him. Anything over that and we're better off with the return and cap space/no albatross. Even if it's not "ideal". And we should be able to get a solid return for Miller. Time for that fancy new management group and their pro and amateur scouts to earn those big pay cheques. -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Apr. 21, 2022
aGENT replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I think the idea would be that you trade Miller and one of Boeser/Garland for some of those younger D and then maybe sign a cheaper UFA like Lyubushkin (who's less will rounded, but better defensively, younger and cheaper) if you move Myers. -
Looking 8 years into Miller's new contract - with numbers (of course)!
aGENT replied to HKSR's topic in Canucks Talk
I think Horvat got healthy and pushed himself. And if we move Miller, we can use some of the cap space signing guys like Paul/Tierney/Sturm and still have sold C depth. I'd wager closer to 32/33. Probably another couple seasons around PPG+, a couple at ~70+... And then start the tumble off the cliff. We currently have three. And Myers expires year after next. There's MAJOR work to do there. Don't see any way this gets past summer. Team doesn't need the constant media/fan distraction all season and there's far too many risks taking it in to the season. Risk the distraction effects the team. Risk of injury or poor season/plummeting value. Risk of dwindling leverage against both Miller's agent and other teams the closer to the TDL it gets. Risk of the team being in playoff position and either getting nothing for him or pulling the rug out from the team. No, either he signs a reasonable extension, or gets moved. At the latest, in the early season. Yeah, I'm skeptical as well. -
[PGT] Ottawa Senators at Vancouver Canucks | Apr. 19, 2022
aGENT replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Sorry Marek, not Friedman. -
[PGT] Ottawa Senators at Vancouver Canucks | Apr. 19, 2022
aGENT replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Wasn't it Friedman that mentioned something along those lines a few days ago? Farhan likely just riffing off that (the usual media hack M.O.) -
Looking 8 years into Miller's new contract - with numbers (of course)!
aGENT replied to HKSR's topic in Canucks Talk
I don't even know if you can say that I think this team is closer to the (post-bump) Bruce coached team that we've seen since that initial win streak, than the team we saw at the beginning of the year. That however doesn't mean I'm blind to the lack of speed, size, grit and PK'ers. A quality 3C (who call also hopefully PK and help free up Horvat more)? Or the poorly constructed right side D with major upcoming succession issues. Or over reliance on Demko. Or that Petey and Hughes will be at their statistical peaks in about 5 years where paying an almost surely regressed, mid 30's Miller, $9m+/-, will be more hindrance than help. Or that we have limited cap flexibility to address any of those issues if we spend more money on the EXACT SAME (all though better than early season/some thought) roster. Even worse if we actually spend assets to clear out players (and roster depth, underperforming or not) to move them and their cap out. -
Looking 8 years into Miller's new contract - with numbers (of course)!
aGENT replied to HKSR's topic in Canucks Talk
What his actual salary is, doesn't really matter. All that matters is the total dollars, the AAV and the term. Based on comparable and his agents comments, he's going to be looking for +/-$65m. You might be able to get him for $55-60 if you're a contender and/or low tax location. Divide that by how ever years of term you like and there's your AAV. How they structure the actual salary within that doesn't actually matter (at least not to us fans). Admirable as their play under Bruce has been... We're still overly reliant on Demko, lack size, speed, grit, PK'ers, a 3C and have roster structural and succession issues, particularly on RD, and could use more organizational depth below the NHL roster. This team is a LOT better than their early record and what some folks were declaring them as (bottom feeders). But we're not minor tinkering away from being a contending team. -
Looking 8 years into Miller's new contract - with numbers (of course)!
aGENT replied to HKSR's topic in Canucks Talk
It's as though this was never about just being able to shoehorn Miller in to our cap allotment, but actually about paying top dollar for a soon to be regressing player (right at the young core's peak), while not having cap space to address the major structural and succession issues this roster has, or the lack of organizational depth below it.... Scant organizational depth we would likely lose more of, to move players like Poolman and Dickinson. Team still overly reliant on Demko, lacks size, speed and grit and PK'ers at both F and D. Lack any succession plan for soon expiring Schenn and Myers. There's a term and cap hit that makes sense to keep Miller and still be able to address these things via other means. There's one that's doesn't. That's all it really comes down to. It was never just about "can we fit him in". Do we want to build a better team and become a contender or do we want to cling to a bubble team that will stagnate with higher cap hits, structural/succession and issues less depth over time?