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It’s the sheltered part he needs to work through before getting paid. I was concerned that Green was going to break him last year as every time he double shifted him when we were down a goal it seemed 5 minutes later we were down 3 goals. Hope I don’t see a Hughes-Myers shift now that they’ve picked up OEL lol. As I said previously a Boeser like contract with 7ish M at the end is fair to both sides and guarantees a 21 year old kid multiple lifetimes of earnings before he’s 25. Personally I am not a fan of giving a 21-22 yo kid a guarantee of 50+ M in earnings for what he may be

Hughes was horrendous 5v5 last year, he’s not ready for top minutes and may never be. That’s a bridge to me or a more realistic long term deal that favours the team. Petey has no real holes in his game which means he should be getting paid 6-7 next year for what he is and in a much better bargaining position for his potential 7+ on a bridge or 8+ with term for Petey (Barzal and Johnny Hockey good comparables cap% wise in the data above)

Too many holes that may never be filled in Hughes game to sign for that money for that long. He’s not more valuable the Barrie as he is. Bridge him, 4.5, 5,5 and 7 across 3 years. Pays him for what he is today and gives him the benefit of the doubt he gets there in three years Petey on the other hand should get the order of 6-7M for what he is today (near ppg 30 goal scorer), lock him up long term as he will only get better with man strength and more meat on those bones

Yes basically JB says to agent figure it out for this much $$$ and for sure Petey is in the better position to grab the most $$$. The only question is term Edit: I like 3-4 years and >6 years because they line up with Myers and OEL coming off the books which are the only obvious net gains in cap over the next 6 years

OJ >> Hughes defensively last year and Hughes the “best” skater ever got beat on the rush more than once recall a certain Ottawa defenceman stealing Hughes’s jock strap for a goal and there was at least another (don’t recall who) Hamonic twice in one game against Edmonton that I recall Edler has never been the most mobile nor was Ohlund who’s being voted Canucks best defenceman ever in another thread your position on OJ is extremely biased, every D in the league gets beat 1 on 1. I can recall maybe a handful of real defensive mistakes made by OJ last year and Hughes was making them by a handful every game. Raw numbers say OJ should have been getting some of Hughes’s 5 vs 5 minutes not the other way around The one systemic bad habit that I saw from OJ was chasing guys behind the net leading to passes out front and scoring chances other than that he was solid he pinched very well in both the O-zone and neutral zone the fact is the Canucks need OJ to pan out as he’s a complete defenceman whereas Rathbone is as likely to be a flash in the pan as he is to be as effective Stetcher. If Rathbone is a 30-40 point Stecher I trade Hughes for a top all-round RHD like Ekblad

Actually the agent is in the catbird seat as he gets his cut no matter what. In my mind it is boarder line conflict of interest from the players point of view.

This is my belief too but not others, just pointing out what their logic means next year which is still tight cap wise, my view is it will be much tighter

My expectation is significant roll over and needing a chunk of Ferland’s LTIR to sign Hughes and Petey. I was just pointing out to those who think it’s all good that even with no roll over and with all of Ferland’s cap available next year it will be tight Reality will probably be much tighter. If they sign them for the order of 16M I’d like to see a trade happen beforehand. As soon as they are inked to that level everyone knows we’ll be in cap trouble and will need to pay extra on any move made to relieve it and or let assets go for nothing next summer. As for the previous posters comment we had 4 nhl players walk to free agency last summer, one of which was whined about more than anything on CDC this past season The last couple off seasons have been a culmination of poor Risk/Cap/Asset management though I have to give them credit for how well they’ve managed to get out of it. They have a pretty much clean slate with a middling team now (on paper similar to what we had in the bubble with much less dead weight) just hope they’ve learned from past mistakes.

To me I like your line coming off the bench on the fly but what about Sutter slotting in the middle for some shifts to relieve Bo of all those extra hustling to the bench Pearson-Sutter-Dickenson for the Dzone starts

I hear you but a concern I have with this line is Bo’s taking the faceoffs

Karlsson got 10.11% of Ottawa’s cap on a 6.5x7 year deal after scoring 78 points on the final year of his ELC. I do not understand Sakic’s 9x6 for Makar at more than 11% of his cap. Basically saying Makar > prime Karlsson Sakic pulled a Dubas there in my mind

To me this is really tight and gets tighter with every one of Ferland’s LTIR dollars used to re-sign Petey and Quinn It takes 1.83 M bonus roll over to have next year’s dead cap equal this year’s (Halak’s bonus is pretty much certain and between Jack, Nils and Vasily there is almost certain to be more) As I explained above replacing all none Boeser contracts with league minimum only frees up 1.85 M and leaves holes all over the line up Predicted cap increase is about 1 M As fan42 said it’s doable if we keep it below 14M for EP and QH but if we give them the 16 suggested by BCNate then it will be a real problem Every LTIR dollar we spend on EP/QH potentially pushes a bonus dollar into next year and is one less LTIR dollar next year available to keep/replace Motte and Sutter as well as provide raises to Boeser, Rathbone and OJ Best case we have 1.83+1+3.5 (from Ferland) = 6.33 for raises next year in order to keep what we have assuming we can resign EP and QH without dipping into Ferland’s LTIR and no bonus overages We can extend that to 7.18 if we let Motte and Sutter go and replace at 0.75 which is certainly a step backwards. If Boeser, Rathbone and/or OJ breaks out we will be moving assets to keep assets from a position of cap weakness edit: plus 1.5 M coming off from Halak to split between a back-up and the above. League minimum backup at .75M adds another .75M to the above, again is that a step back?

Get’er done JB

Dead cap this year including bonus overages: 4.234 Dead cap next year 2.4 - 5.8 with bonus overages (at leas 3.9 as 1.5 from Halak pretty certain) Dead Cap pushed essentially from the Holtby buyout i.e. this is a wash non-league minimum contracts other the BB coming off the books Halak at 1.5 Motte at 1.225 Sutter at 1.125 Big Mac at 0.825 Rathbone at .925 assuming all replaced at a .75 league minimum available cap is 1.85M i.e. this is the definition of cap issues. Motte and Sutter are not replaceable at league minimum and OJ and Rathbone both could require significant raises after decent seasons Best cap case is Rathbone and OJ are duds but we still take a step back as a team in the bottom six (why protect Motte over Lind with this…) note that with Ferlands LTIR there is about 16.25 to 16.5 M to sign QH and EP depending on who’s assumed in the press box. So a good chunk of the LTIR will be consumed in those contracts My view is trade now from a position of strength rather than waiting until next year with backs against the cap wall. We take a step back regardless and it looks worse having a down year again due to cap issues than having foresight and consistently improve The year after with only Hamonic coming off the books (who will need replacement) will make it hard to sign Hoglander, Miller (who will be 30 and on the decline) and Horvat

Virtanen, Holtby, Halak > Luongo interms of cap next year Yes Pearson and/or Miller are the right moves, hope JB/Canucks have the cojones as moving Miller/Horvat/Boeser will become a must at one point to create a contender

So Motte less league minimum and Sutter less league minimum pays BB raise?

Not a lot of cap coming off next year once you consider league minimum replacement, it will be a struggle to find money for a raise and if BB breaks out we will have to pay to dump cap to sign him

Dead cap next year will make it tough to resign BB, don’t really get the Holtby buyout from a cap management point of view, Luongo’s recapture was BB’s raise and it’s been burned on Holtby’s buyout and Halak’s performance bonuses

The guys carried Arizona for years and can see how a change of scenery will make a huge difference

Kid may be our top 2-3 defensive D at this point

Bridge Hughes and long term EP should be the objective

Sound like EP is betting on himself and wants a Bridge and Challenging the Canucks to $h!t or get off the pot at the same time

Has OEL ever had this much talent to play with?

Don’t see Dickenson’s FO% nor offensive numbers at his minutes being sufficient for a 3rd line centre off the hop raw numbers Sutter > Dickenson in both these categories but injuries have definitely taken their toll on Sutter so 4th line is a great spot for him Garland gives us the luxury of moving Miller to the 3rd line with Podz but would like to see a guy like Eric Staal added for depth, he brought it in the playoffs last year with Perry to help will Mtl to the finals Dickenson-Sutter-Motte as a fourth line is pretty sick shut down line Staal-Miller-Podz are some pretty big bodies to play havoc on opponents D

Personally Quinn Hughes should get nothing more than Barrie money on a bridge his 5vs5 play was atrocious this year and he shouldn’t be playing more than third pairing even strength minutes and 1st PP unit until he sorts that out if the team expects to make the playoffs my biggest concern is what happens when he loses a step due to injury or age, will he actually still be able to play in this league?