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If EP gets offer sheeted 8-9x8 the extra 4.75 cap from this deal goes a long way. We’ll need to make room but the impact will be a lot less. i.e. we pay EP and QH before the rest with peace of mind We can also flip Schmidt now without our backs against the cap wall

We don’t need to sign Garland until we need to sign him, gives us flexibility

And the extra 4.75 Cap mitigates the impact of a run on our top RFAs

You are missing Garland in this deal a 25 yo top six player

We sold snake oil today

Didn’t say that, but OEL at 7 M at 35 6 years vs Edler at 35 this year is a calculated risk, much better than signing LE to 6x6 at 30. Personally I would’ve let the cap shed off naturally and taken another down season next but respect JB getting out of his cap troubles and adding 2 legit players for a 9OA. He can now move Schmidt if he wants to without his back against the cap And building a winner is more than the draft, we’ve been needing D for years and BPA does not always fill holes in the team. A GM needs to use all the tools in his arsenal to build a winner

You are in denial on what’s coming back. We likely win this trade in the long run. You are over valuing a 9OA and this draft was a crap shoot given Covid, we dis not miss out on a need (Clarke/MacTavish) it was a calculated deal and si far JB is ahead

Problem is this draft has little impact in this core

9th overall more likely to be less than 2 proven NHL players, but get your point, fact that Clarke was gone at 9 JB is ahead on this Personally I take NHL players over maybes almost every time and we got two

Canucks add a top 4 D and a top 6 forward and shed 12 M of dead cap. Not sure how they don’t come away draft day winners

Welcome O-E Edler

Players like Miller on the third line is what we need to be a contender. Horvat is 3rd line in Pittsburg. If their feelings are hurt move them out

The fact we got anything back for that is a bonus

First reaction was WTF, but after reflection JB moved us from a cap problem to in the cat bird seat while improving us for the mid-term. He can now make all his remaining off-seasons moves without the cap at his back and other than re-signing Hamonic had no need to pay UFAs OEL at 7 M at 35-36 vs Edler 6 M at the same age is a simlar risk in my mind and much better than forking out 6x6 to LE at 30 Garland let’s us move Miller to third line C with Podz plus to roll 3 scoring lines I am OK with this, not what I would’ve done but I respect it

Trevor Linden says hi 80 points in 79 games before Messier. His regular season production over that period was the order of 80-85% i.e. his production went up in the playoffs vs many of the disappearing acts we had after that (cough cough Naslund, Bertuzzi, Sedins cough cough)

Aggressive off season will go like a Jan Bulis shift, whole lot of try for whole lot of nothing.

I am hesitant for Holtby too given a big chunk of those savings go to a lesser back-up at the cost of 1.9 M dead cap next year If Eriksson is sent to the minors I could see the owners pushing for a buyout to save cash (1M real dollars) still prefer sending him down cause he’s a prick if he doesn’t retire after he gets his 1M signing bonus. In any real world job he’s be fired for not meeting his end of the deal JV is the only low risk choice given he’s done here and not likely movable until his legal situation is sorted

Don’t disagree but there is a difference between being a lot better and being good enough. Playing in the Pacific with fair schedule and a proper training camp the Canucks would be in the playoffs right now. However, Hughes and Petey will take all the money freed up by Sutter and Edler and both need upgrades to be better. The Canucks start at 14.9 M Cap with only Schmidt, Myers and Rathbone under contract on the back end and no realistic option for 3rd line center other than Miller. Chatfield-Juolevi is a very realistic bottom pairing for next year. Furthermore the entire bottom six is a hot mess that needs a complete overhaul but again there is no money so the plugs like those we’ve been watching since Roussel, Beagle and Sutter went down is also vert realistic. Michael Ferland being ready would actually be a disaster as that 3.5 M is needed to even pay the 5 plugs required to fill out the bottom six and the 5-7th D spots (think OJ, plug 1 (Chatfield?) and plug 2 (Doubt Edler signs for less than 2 M as he’d get at least 3 on the open market, could sign in Seattle if wanted and not move if he wanted) Buying out JV could give us the money it takes to re-sign Hamonic which is a must as he seems willing to sign team friendly deals and would cost much more to replace from the open market As I said previously buying out the others makes no real sense from a cap strategy point of view because Holtby savings go to a back up goalie anyway at the expense of 1.9 M in 22-23 and LE only gives an extra 0.875 k in 21-22 at a cost of 1M in 22-23 but could see this one given that it saves ownership 1M in real money vs playing him in minors for a year Beagle actually saves the team more cap in 21-22 in the minors vs buyout and a Roussel buyout give just over an extra 100k vs burying him in the minors Hogs-EP-BB Pearson-Horvat-Podz (ELC) Motte-Miller-Plug1 Roussel-Plug2-Plug3 Plug4, Plug 5 (pencil in Highmore, Lind, BigMack, etc... in the plug spots but a lot of ifs there) Beagle and Ferland on LTIR QH-TH JR-NS OJ-TM plug6 That D is scary, so many question marks This team is a step back from this year and certainly a step back from 20-21. Lots of ifs to be good enough in my mind. JB can buyout Holtby and run with a plug back-up for the sake of paying for a couple 2M plugs vs 1M plugs but poor asset/cap management and over paying plugs has put the Canucks in their current predicament in the first place. Owners have spent to and above the cap for years, now they “are willing to open the purse strings” is all smoke and mirrors PR BS to me. JV will be bought out if they cannot get rid of him in any other way and a LE buy out is purely a cash driven thing because it’s bad management in my mind, just bury him.

You can bury LE for a cap hit of 4.875 and AR for 1.875 respectively not sure an extra 1Mish cap for the buy outs is worth it especially the 100ish k extra for AR, same story for Jay Beagle The only buyouts worth the cap returns are Holtby and JV but the reality is you are just going to spend the cap return from Holtby on a backup so may as well keep him and not eat the 1.9 M dead cap for Holtby next year I see LE getting bought out purely because it costs the Aquamen less real dollars than burying him in the minors but honestly if he doesn’t retire he deserves to be buried as he’s totally out exchange on the 33M he’ll have received after his 21-22 signing bonus Personally the Canucks are spewing bs in my mind, even with the potential buyouts and LTIR relief next year they’ll struggle to even tread water compared to the team the start with this year. The only buy outs that make sense to me are JV assuming he’s not movable due to his miss adventures and LE because it actually saves the Aquamen real money if he just going to play up the valley but these moves have nothing to do with freeing Cap space they are financially and face saving driven but they’ll sell it to the fans as spending money to get better

Yes the buyout comments are making me nervous, pays for slightly more expensive plugs. Eriksson saves you .875 over just burying him again at the cost of 1M in 22-23. Does actually save the owner money I think so could see him buying him out just to save the cash Jake Virtanen does save a lot of cap in 21-22 at a hit of 500k in 22-23 which would be needed to keep Hamonic. Best case for the Canucks with Jake at this point is if Seattle takes him, saves us from losing two players for nothing. I could see these two, Beagle you save more cap sending him to the minors. Roussel you get an extra 140ish k over the minors vs 633k extra hit in 22-23 Not worth it, JB needs to pay the piper this year try to keep Hamonic and not add anymore 2-3M plugs for more than 1 year contracts. His hands are already tied unless Ferland is back on LTIR

Lol, you may be on to something, not sure these hacks are capable of independent thought

Pretty sure NJD have the tie breaker over us therefore 0 wins may put us 3rd last

I mentioned this a week or so ago and got roasted

Some “Facts” to chew on OJ (44.5 % OZ starts) 32.48 minutes between GA and 23.55 minutes between GF (Even-Strength) QH (62.2 % OZ starts) 16.07 minutes between GA and 25.79 minutes between GF (Even-Strength) Seems we win more games playing OJ more than QH at even strength

Sorry man, I tried