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19 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said:
Totally get it and not disagreeing with what others feel Petey should come in at and for their reasons. I was just saying that it's not as crazy as some think if Pettersson wants 10 per ... his numbers and comparables can make a legit, compelling case.
But me suggesting 10 earlier today was as if I drove a steak in the heart of people's mothers ... it's not that absurd.
The agent will use the top comparables and Benning will use other comparables to counter. They have to find common ground to make it work for both the players and the team.
A lot of fans are getting frustrated because this has been going on for months. Some are over-reacting but they are just one segment of the fanbase. The opposite side want to sign them for whatever they're asking for. Most of us want to meet somewhere in the middle.
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9 minutes ago, Locke Lamora said:
There is no way to put a positive spin on this, though I know CDC well enough to know some will try. It was uncomfortable to watch and a murmur when through the crowd when he was rolling around in the corner. You could tell some of the other players were like “WTF?”. JT was the guy to go tell him to man up and get up off the ice.
Hey, if OJ roars back and seizes the 6th D-man spot I’ll be the first in line to cheer him on. But considering how Hunt and Rathbone looked today, it seems like a long shot.
How did he look in the actual drills? Maybe he worked on his strength and skating technique too much and not enough on his cardio.
I'm glad he's okay. For a second there I thought a Rathbone fan sniped him from the stands.
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12 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:
So, pretty much where I sit on all of this is exactly what Button says in this video and the comparables he makes. And I'm assuming Button's numbers as being correct here.
Check out where it starts at 7:25 so you can understand where I am with this ...These guys all came out of their entry level contracts to sign different deals between a wheelhouse of $7 - $11 per.
Aho - .326 goalspg / .79 pointspg
Barzal - .254 gpg / .89 ppg
Marner - .278 gpg / .93 ppg
And EP coming out of his entry level.
Pettersson - .39 gpg / .927 ppg
And now there's the Kaprizov deal at $9 per ... and .93 ppg.
So, basically, my point is that Petterson valuing himself at $10 per isn't crazy and he very well could hold firm to that. I doubt he'll do that but I can't see him lower than $9 per if these numbers/comparables are correct unless it's a really short term.Marner's deal was signed when the cap was increasing yearly. It is flat now so shave some off of that. Point's bridge was 6.75 million and Barzal's is 7 million. Those bridge years should bring down the AAV on a longer term deal. So even if he gets 10 million on the latter half the bridge portion should not automatically be 10 million as well.
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9 minutes ago, Timråfan said:
It seems everyone here takes my word of stifling Petey as something negative.
Stifling can be something positive also and Green believes this is the right way to go.
I agree that Miller came with a great forecheck but Petey isn't that kind of player, physical anyway. So Petey has to rely on his creativity.
Back pedalling again. Show some integrity. You claimed that Green was stifling Petey and it was refuted.
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8 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:
it's not just about the o zone d zone starts.. it's also about the style of hockey we play.. we dump and chase and like to sit back and let the other team bring it to us
Reductive crap. Are you agreeing with timra that Green is stifling Petey?
Every single team uses the dump and chase to some degree. We carry the puck in when the situation allows. That is also dependant on the players on the ice and our level of fatigue. Last season was an anomaly so that slant is for whiners looking for a whining angle.
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The choke point is the start of the season. If they're not signed then we lose out on maximizing Ferland's LTIR. The available cap would drop from around 16.5 million to around 13 million. If they do that just to get max dollars, then I will lose a lot of respect for them.
I think the top end comparables have to be weighed against some more reasonable ones. I would like to see around 8x9 for Petey and 4x7.5 for Quinn.
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9 hours ago, Timråfan said:
Green stifled Peteys freedom and people here talk about how Petey hasn’t showed enough.
Dahlin is probably molded by their coach into the player he wants.
So the value of Dahlin and Petey isn’t shown jet on the rink.
It will show thenext couple of years.
Petey, the agents, Green and Benning knows this.
Benning just don’t pay for what is visible today but also for what Benning/Green mold Petey into.Pettersson got 75.1 O zone starts last season and has 67.2 O zone starts over his career. If anything Green has helped him pad his stats.
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10 hours ago, Timråfan said:
I guess you don’t know why there are agents at all.
Maybe because of slimy companies, owners, GMs… Where are people objectivity?
He inferred that people shouldn't comment unless they have negotiated multi-million dollar contracts on a fan forum. It was a ridiculously stupid question.
Where are people reading comprehension.
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To be clear, I'm still very much a fan of Quinn and Petey and want them to stay as Canucks.
As a fan from the start, I also want to win the Cup. That's why I don't want to sacrifice our future just so they can get paid as much as they can squeeze out of us.
If we have to trade a roster player to make it work, that weakens our team. Other teams will know our predicament and we might have to add assets to the roster player to make it work. That would further weaken our team; right when we're finally stepping into our window of competitiveness and contending.
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Just now, VegasCanuck said:
Thank-you for making my point.
.What was your point? That we shouldn't comment on the contract negotiations unless we ourselves have negotiated multi-million dollar contracts?
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2 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:
how about you go thru those pages and just look at them urself? probably easier than me having to quote every single one of them? lots of those 7mil per 3 only changed recently when they were more like the they have done nothing and worth 6-6.5 at most. the market dictates everything. if it was just 1 you can say it's an anomoly and doesn't set the market but when good chunk of the RFA are all getting similar deals then ya why wouldn't they be asking for it? Makar is way more injury prone than EP and got a massive contract and that's on a contending team too. so why wouldn't EP ask for similar on a bubble team at best?
You're the one who made those claims. Prove you're not full of crap.
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6 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:
I'm guessing that you've never had to negotiate a major, multi million dollar contract, if that a fair assumption?
What an absolutely stupid question. This is a fan forum not a slimy agents forum.
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5 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:
1 or 2 lol? have u been reading the entire thread? literally every page in this thread since mid august there's couple post about suggestions to trade them or sit them
How about quote the many posters that have suggested sitting them for the entire year. And while you're at it quote the many posters that have said they only deserve 5 million per for three years.
There are far more who say 7 million per for three years and sit them for a while if their demands are unreasonable. That's not what you said though is it?
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3 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Again, Petey and Quinn are not technically holding out. They don’t have contracts, so this is actually a negotiating period. They will only be holding out if they start to miss actual regular season games.
This is nit-picking garbage. Why don't they have a contract? Are you suggesting that they haven't received many options by Benning. They haven't signed any of them, so they are holding out for a better deal. Is that too hard for you to comprehend?
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4 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:
lol starting to think this fan base will start booing EP and QH the moment they step on the ice if they don't sign something that they are happy with like 5mil x 3 years or something. look at all these comments about sitting them for the year trade them etc etc lol and the season haven't even started yet nor have they heard anything other than "rumors". i mean look at all the toxicity they are receiving on this board already based on "rumors" leaked by "unknown sources"
Stupid hyperbole. Maybe one or two posters have suggested sitting them for an entire year. Most people have suggested a bridge deal at around 7-7.5 million. You know. Barzal and Point type money.
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11 minutes ago, tas said:
nobody has been able to make me understand why agreeing to deals that go right to ufa are such a mortal sin. why is it so much worse than buying 1 or 2 years of ufa? does it make that much difference? and frankly, I'd rather have them right at ufa than sign them to bridge deals that land them in rfa again where you have to go through this nonsense all offseason long. at least ufa has real pressure points -- either you get it done prior to the ufa period or you're almost certainly going to lose them.
furthermore, I suspect a team putting their faith and trust in a player like that, telling them "we believe you're not going to burn us, we believe that this relationship is strong enough that we don't need the leverage of owning you in order to make a deal" would go a long way for a guy. I know personally, if a team put that trust in me, I'd have way too much guilt to bail on them down the line.
Don't pretend to know their intentions are or what they're thinking.
By holding out, they've already shown that money is their top priority. If they go to UFA status, then they can get teams into a bidding war for their services. I'm sure their slimy agent would hate that.
We would have to make a call at trade deadline to move them or try to get pennies on the dollar for their negotiating rights before UFA opens. Other teams would know the situation and low ball us at the trade deadline limiting our potential return.
If we go one year less than UFA and they want out then at least we can get a decent return. We should get a chance to recoup our losses if they don't want to be here.
I'm not saying they want out but at this point we have no idea where their heads are at in regards to the future. Quinn may actually want to re-unite with his brothers for all we know and Petey's cryptic comments make his intentions unclear.
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If they are that confident that they are worth top dollar, then they should both sign reasonable bridge deals and prove it.
Term that walks them right to UFA status should be off the table. If that's the holdup, then I don't mind if Benning sticks to his guns and lets the sit for a while.
Again, if they think that they're that good, then they should sign the bridge deals and prove it on the ice.
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What are you listening to?
in White Noise
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This has happened to me quite a few times on here. Someone will post a song that I was just listening to and sometimes a song that I was just about to post.
That's why I posted Synchronicity.
Quantum entanglement?