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But look at how quickly all three of those were traded away. All three were sent packing early in their careers. Great picks but you kind of have to keep and develop them. They didn't call him Mad Mike for nothing. Catch Milbury in the right mood and he'd trade you Gretzky for some hockey tape and a water bottle.
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[Discussion] No Boudreau? Potential Head Coaches 2022/2023
Kevin Biestra replied to Warhippy's topic in Canucks Talk
Based on the leash Green was given, Boudreau has already earned a 35 year contract. -
[PGT] Arizona Coyotes at Vancouver Canucks | Apr. 14, 2022
Kevin Biestra replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Well, there are also privileges about talking to the referees so you are putting yourself at a disadvantage by not having the letters. -
I just picked two years where everyone's career has run its course or close to it. Anyway, look at your years. 2014: 3 of the top 7 picks were BUSTS. At least 11 of the 30 in the first round were busts, more than that if Virtanen is the standard for a bust, as I was being conservative. Second round...7 out of 30 were hits maybe, and one of those was Jimbo with Demko. 2016...Jimbo's other dog crap first round. Yep, Olli was about as good as picking your pet dog in the first round, but something like 20 out of the 30 would not be called a successful pick. Second round...we're looking at less than ten hits out of 30 again...but there is still time for some to succeed or fail which was why I went with earlier years. These two ('14 and '16) are Jim's go-to examples for bad drafting and he beat the odds with his second rounder in '14. Didn't have a second rounder in '16 but that would be on his trading. It's not THAT hard to botch a top six pick. Like I said, 3/7 in 2014 were crap. The pick before Juolevi was Puljujarvi and he's just now barely starting to look like an NHLer at all. What did Benning have...eight full years where he saw the end of the season? He had three Calder finalists in that stretch. There is room for 24 Calder finalists in the NHL over eight years...so that isn't even an average of one per team. You're doing a little better than expected with one. I don't think Benning had flawless drafting or anything but calling him worse than average is probably unfair.
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Brock is much better than standard for a 20-whateverish pick. Hughes and EP are both better than standard for their draft positions. Olli and Jake are worse but no, it's not a given that a GM hits on every first and second round pick. Just randomly looking at a few years, two of the top 8 picks in 1995 were TOTAL busts, another two of those eight were not great. That's not the first two rounds, that's the top 8 picks overall. Eight of the 26 picks in the first round were TOTAL busts, and another ten (so 18/26) were nothing special. Once you get to the second round, two out of 26 were hits, and another was all right. The other 23 out of 26 might as well have not been picked. 2005... I think you could call nine out of 30 in the first round hits. Meanwhile 12 to 14 out of the 30 were total busts. The rest were...okay. Second round in 2005... Three out of thirty were solid hits. Another four were decent and that includes Mason Raymond as a success. 23 of the thirty were total busts...as in you would have been just as good trading your pick for a Happy Meal at McDonalds.
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[PGT] Arizona Coyotes at Vancouver Canucks | Apr. 14, 2022
Kevin Biestra replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I dunno. If they actually get to the playoffs and Horvat is still hurt for the foreseeable future, it might be kind of weird to play with no captain. At that point, I think it would be good to name someone temporary C, probably with the understanding that Horvat gets it back. In the meanwhile, I might just add an A until the end of the season. I misread "did" instead of "do" in your last message so thought you were asking about history. -
[PGT] Arizona Coyotes at Vancouver Canucks | Apr. 14, 2022
Kevin Biestra replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
They gave Smyl the temporary captaincy for the playoffs and they did so well (went to the final) that they just left it on Smyl's jersey. Same thing happened with the coach. Harry Neale was the head coach and got suspended late in the year. The team went on a run under (assistant) Roger Nielson up to and through the playoffs and Harry just left him there as head coach afterward. -
[PGT] Arizona Coyotes at Vancouver Canucks | Apr. 14, 2022
Kevin Biestra replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Well, it has happened before... Like I said elsewhere, this is right around the point in the season where captain Kevin McCarthy went out for the rest of the year in 1982 and...that was how captain Stan Smyl was born en route to the Cup final that year. I guess if Bubble Demko comes back...anything is possible. -
[Report] Bo Horvat out minimum 2 weeks
Kevin Biestra replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I think Chiasson is the guy you forgot. He has been in playoff mode / Jeff Cowan bra mode for a little while now. -
[Report] Bo Horvat out minimum 2 weeks
Kevin Biestra replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I'm not predicting anything and I wasn't that optimistic before the injuries but...I think this is kind of around when (captain) Kevin McCarthy went out for the season just before the 1982 run. -
[Report] Bo Horvat out minimum 2 weeks
Kevin Biestra replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Podkolzin, Miller, Chiasson, Garland, Lammikko and Pettersson might all become the first Canuck forwards to ever play 30 minutes in a game. -
It was not a good eight years overall but he did pretty good in drafting and not bad really in trades. Free agent signings and communication killed him. He gave away a couple first rounders but JT Miller was a huge pro scouting win for one of them and Conor Garland isn't too bad for the other. Farted away two high first round picks on busts Juolevi and Virtanen but killed it with Hughes, Demko, Boeser and Pettersson...and looking pretty decent with Hoglander and Podkolzin. All in all that's positive.
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Mike Bossy Islanders Icon passes away at age of 65
Kevin Biestra replied to MikeBossy's topic in General Hockey Discussion
One of the all time greats. If the league put together a 1st and 2nd and 3rd all star team from the entire history of hockey he would be on there...possibly on the first team. A real gentleman of a hockey player and a clutch playoff performer as well. His goal against the Canucks in the 1982 final where he was in the act of falling onto the ice and didn't even have the use of his feet to generate any force was one of the great playoff goals of all time...up there with Bobby Orr flying through the air, Pavel putting it by Mike Vernon and Mario going around Jon Casey. -
[PGT] Arizona Coyotes at Vancouver Canucks | Apr. 14, 2022
Kevin Biestra replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Well, I would say Daniel winning the Art Ross the following season was also better, but Miller is probably the best since then. Henrik was also 7th in the league in scoring the year after that, and Daniel 8th in the league in points a few years later still in 2014-15. -
JT Miller Watch...Climbing the Ladder...
Kevin Biestra replied to Kevin Biestra's topic in Canucks Talk
With 4 points JT Miller leapfrogs the great Stan Smyl and joins the 90 point club...and the night isn't over yet. -
Quinn Hughes watch...Coming after Lidster
Kevin Biestra replied to Kevin Biestra's topic in Canucks Talk
Okay, make that sole possession of 3rd with point #58. Surpassing a talent like Paul Reinhart is no small thing...the man was an absolute beast in Calgary, especially in the playoffs. Lanz was no slouch either. -
Quinn Hughes watch...Coming after Lidster
Kevin Biestra replied to Kevin Biestra's topic in Canucks Talk
With two points so far tonight Hughes has tied Rick Lanz and Paul Reinhart for 3rd most points in a season ever by a Canucks d-man. -
I'm all for success tonight but that's the worst pump up video I've ever seen...nothing gets my adrenaline going like royalty free stock music they use for department store or restaurant ads you have to watch for five seconds before clicking Skip on YouTube. I can practically see the chef sprinkling on the parsley and a waiter carrying the tray to the table.
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Well, we were losing one for sure. I think most people were resigned to losing Demko and then his play against Vegas changed things. It wasn't the end of the world to keep both but if the plan was to roll with Markstrom then I would have been shopping Demko around. A second round pick would have been fine for me...we were losing him for nothing in the expansion draft. Then we get the 2nd round pick and lose the same player we actually did in the expansion draft. It was just bad timing that the Seattle draft came along when we had two goalies we wanted to keep. More Canuck luck but there was plenty of warning.
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Benning not trading Markstrom (or Demko) is a bigger issue...it was known full well that if we kept both, one was being lost for nothing, guaranteed, at the expansion draft. If there was great value to get for Markstrom (or Demko) before that deadline...it should have been given a lot of thought. Miller...anything can happen. We can still trade him next year, this summer, re-sign him, whatever. He still has value next year. He is not guaranteed to be lost for nothing in an expansion draft. The day Green and Benning were fired, I would have been pretty open to just tearing down everything not named Demko and Hughes...but then the Canucks played so well under Bruce that playoffs were a very legitimate possibility right up until they blew those couple of games right before the deadline. Maybe getting max value for Miller at that point was the right move...but at the same time, maybe there weren't great offers that would be much better than his value in the summer or during next season. Anyway, with the way the Canucks were playing it made sense to hang onto him and wait and see at least until those two losses.
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I remember the one time Gretzky actually made the playoffs with the Rangers he somehow became the Gretzky of old when it came to goal scoring. I think 10 goals in 15 games. He wasn't 2.5 points per game like the old days, but this was the Gretzky had trouble scoring 20 and he was on pace for 55 or something.
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I've said it before but during the 1982 Cup run both of our top offensive defensemen (Kevin McCarthy and Rick Lanz) were out for the ENTIRE run. That's kind of like not having both Brown AND Lumme for all of 1994, or Ehrhoff AND Edler or Bieksa for all of the 2011 playoffs. McCarthy and Lanz were perhaps more offensively skilled than every single Islanders defenseman except Denis Potvin. That final really could have gone differently...would definitely have won game one. Interestingly, that's what Garth Butcher was in 1982...what you suggest, a depth callup black ace. He was a rookie and saw just a little bit of action. As for 1994...well, what I do remember is we had Jimmy Carson at the end of his NHL run and a rookie Mike Peca both in the press box for the 94 run. I think Stephane Morin (a promising rookie a few years earlier now on the way out) was also part of the press box squad. The 1994 team had a bit of that extra depth going on anyway. I think Brian Glynn was our depth guy who came in for an injured Murzyn early on. I believe we had traded away Robert Dirk for a late pick that year or the year earlier...I suppose he would have been nice as an 8th D, don't know if anything came of the pick.
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I'm about the same really but Calgary above Ottawa. Not sure why I ended up actually liking Calgary...I guess kind of a Rocky and Apollo thing, respect for old enemies. I definitely didn't want Tampa Bay winning a Cup before us so cheering for the Flames in that final was kind of like Apollo cheering for Rocky to beat Clubber after Clubber acted like a dick to Apollo instead of shaking hands before the first fight with Rocky. Yeah the Oilers after 1988...the mystique was gone plus the best couple of players to watch. I really didn't expect them to win that Cup in 1990...especially with Fuhr out. Toronto...even if you go back to the 80s they had less players I liked than all of the other teams. Bunny Larocque at the end of his run, Rene Robert for one year I think, former Canucks Vaive and Derlago. Salming. That's about it I think. John Anderson was okay I guess. Sittler and Keon but that's going back further.