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Voting for Pierre Pilote. Nominating Guy Lapointe. If you didn't leave him off intentionally this time, I noticed that Housley is missing from the options.
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Full game from the old days up on YouTube. It's not a memorable night for King Richard. But what can I say, I saw worse games from Patrick Roy and Grant Fuhr. I think I saw Roy let in 9 and Fuhr let in 12. King Richard makes some good saves early but the defense in front of him isn't at the top of its game and neither was he...the good news is, that means this game lets you see both Brodeur and John Garrett with his legendary mask in action. While Richard Brodeur was the playoff hero of 1982, people forget that John Garrett was also a playoff hero for the Quebec Nordiques in 1982, and coming off a near All-Star Game MVP award in 1983. Things to watch for... People also don't remember that Tiger Williams was a first ballot mustache Hall of Famer, when he chose to be. He's singing along for the Canadian national anthem. Early game in the career of Cam Neely. He kind of moves around the ice like a brontosaurus at this stage. Jim Robson is calling the game for CBC. Howie Meeker says that Tony Tanti has the best anticipation in the entire NHL except for Wayne Gretzky. Some departed faces on the bench and in the booth... Herb Brooks coaching the Rangers, Meeker in the booth. Richard Loney singing the anthems. Five highly skilled Rangers on the ice - Mike Rogers, Barry Beck, Anders Hedberg, Ron Greschner and Pierre Larouche - all of whom might have had the chops for the Hall of Fame on different teams or with less injuries or if their careers had happened entirely in the NHL, and are now mostly unknown names. Rogers was originally a Canucks draft pick. On the bench as the Rangers backup is former Canuck starter Glen Hanlon. Old reliable Harold Snepsts is fantastic at getting the puck out of his zone, whether it's a pass from the corner or skating it all the way to the offensive zone himself. Just make sure Mike Bossy isn't in on the same continent first. The Rangers have so much respect for the Canucks that their goalie is a guy getting his first ever NHL start. The bums in the crowd at Vancouver give King Richard the bronx cheer for an easy save after a rough first period. What have you done for me lately? Even the commercials are interesting back then. Look at those beautiful white boards.
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And I didn't even get into the names like Ferraro, Rick Meagher, Tiger Williams, Terry Ruskowski, Mike McPhee, Steve Kasper, Murray Craven, Brian Sutter, Darryl Sutter, Tony McKegney, Al Secord, Mike Krushelnyski, Jimmy Carson, Esa Tikkanen, Ken Linseman, Jim Fox, Brian Skrudland, Joel Otto, Pat Flatley, Mike Ridley, Peter Zezel, Brent Ashton, Rick Kehoe, Wayne Babych (injuries may have robbed him of the HOF like Pederson and Kerr), Gary Leeman, Ed Olczyk, Jim Peplinski, Dan Quinn, Ron Duguay, Kelly Kisio, Mark Johnson, Sylvain Turgeon, John Anderson, Bill Derlago... All of whom would hold up quite nicely with a 2% tax on their stats minus the few who would hold up as defensive specialist. I forgot about Pierre Larouche as well. And I haven't been counting but I think now we're well outside the top 100 forwards. Plus I forgot Pat Lafontaine and Neal Broten earlier. And Steve Larmer.
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It's wild when you think of a guy like Dennis Maruk (136 points in a season I think) or Barry Pederson and what their high water marks were and how they aren't even discussed as "people who aren't in" the Hall of Fame the way Linden or Muller occasionally come up, and in fact nobody knows who Dennis Maruk is in 2020 at all, nor would they know Pederson if he wasn't a Cam Neely trade Jeopardy question. Maruk, Pederson, Mike Rogers, Mike Foligno, Troy Murray, John Ogrodnick, Paul Maclean. Fantastic forwards and do they even make the top 40 or 50 forwards of their era. Kent Nilsson, Mats Naslund, Hakan Loob, Bobby Smith, Pat Verbeek, Brian Bellows, Brent Sutter, Rob Brown, Gerard Gallant, Mel Bridgman, Thomas Steen, Mike Bullard, Stephane Richer, Anton and Marian Stastny, Dave Poulin, Dirk Graham. Plus Smyl, Gradin, Sundstrom, Tanti and Skriko. Can't even really start talking about these guys until you get through... Gretzky Lemieux Yzerman Kurri Stastny Goulet Messier Anderson Kerr Propp Dionne Lafleur Middleton Neely Bossy Trottier Gillies Gilmour Mullen Muller Andreychuk Hawerchuk Savard Francis Simmer Taylor Federko Vaive Gartner Ciccarelli Nicholls Carbonneau... I'm sure I'm forgetting some and I'm also intentionally leaving out guys who were early or late in their careers and still very good - and that's still 32 names right there (forwards alone) before we get to the other guys I listed.
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I thought it was an odd choice bringing Messier into the lineup but I was on board with it, when it seemed to be just adding him to what was already there. As opposed to essentially trading the entire team for Messier in the death of a thousand cuts. Didn't like the orca jersey when they revealed it though. I thought there was no need for a change. Like you, sure, I've come to accept it and it's better with the current colors. The original orca jersey was basically Rangers colors...I guess a harbinger of what was about to happen to the locker room. What, we need their captain, coach and jersey? Man, if people thought Gillis chasing the "Boston Model" after the 2011 loss was bad.
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I don't remember who he was fighting but Muller had close to my favorite fight ever in the NHL. He was using head movement and ducking under punches like Rocky when he was rope-a-doping Clubber Lang at the end of the second fight in Rocky 3. It was great.
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Yeah earlier in the discussion I was going to ask the thread how many defensemen on the list of options had actually matched Paul Coffey's 195 PIM in one season. Guy was no Pierre Turgeon.
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Best All-Time Defenseman Round 8
Kevin Biestra replied to IBatch's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Well, we did have Bourque, Coffey, Potvin and Robinson all in prime form or close to it at the same time. Plus, at the same time, Chelios, Housley, MacInnis, Stevens, Babych, Lowe, Huddy, Howe, Murphy, McCrimmon, Langway, Carlyle, Wilson, Ramage, Reinhart, Lidster, Beck, Patrick, Salming, Reed Larson, Doug Crossman, plus whoever I am forgetting. -
Best All-Time Defenseman Round 8
Kevin Biestra replied to IBatch's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Vote for Eddie Shore. Nominate Belinda's older brother Randy Carlyle again. -
Best All-Round Defenseman Round 6
Kevin Biestra replied to IBatch's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Bro, Venus was Bananarama. Belinda Carlisle was the Go-Gos. -
Best All-Round Defenseman Round 6
Kevin Biestra replied to IBatch's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Good post about Lidstrom being slightly overrated and why, though I think Sergei Gonchar is a very respectable guy to have at 7th place. -
Best All-Round Defenseman Round 6
Kevin Biestra replied to IBatch's topic in General Hockey Discussion
To be fair, Robinson was still playing four years after Denis Potvin retired. He was on the Kings with Gretzky, the year right before they went to the Final. Robinson and Potvin really are a photo finish in the rankings. -
Best All-Round Defenseman Round 6
Kevin Biestra replied to IBatch's topic in General Hockey Discussion
We talking about Belinda's older brother? Was there sentimentality involved in nominating Randy Carlyle? Maybe yes... But the guy was a Norris Trophy winner that always played for bad teams and like J.C. Tremblay who I also named earlier, deserves substantially more HOF consideration than he gets. If he had been on the Oilers, I think he would have been the 3rd defenseman in NHL history to score 100 points. -
I figured the whale bursting through ice was a tie in to hockey.
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Best All-Round Defenseman Round 6
Kevin Biestra replied to IBatch's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Yeah that happened to me a handful of times in the 50 Canucks threads. -
Best All-Round Defenseman Round 6
Kevin Biestra replied to IBatch's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Voting Denis Potvin. Nominating Doug Wilson. Oh wait, he's there. I assumed he didn't get in when I saw Larry Murphy made it. I guess I'll nominate... Hmmm, Randy Carlyle, Guy Lapointe, Serge Savard, Hedman, Zubov... Hmmm... Randy Carlyle. I want to bring up J.C. Tremblay eventually, before too long. The greatest defenseman in WHA history (two of their Norris Trophies) plus an NHL post-season All-Star twice and five seasons in the top five for the Norris in the NHL. And five Stanley Cups to go with his AVCO Cup. He should be seriously considered for the HOF but nobody knows who he is nowadays. Does Fetisov's Russian career count? As to Coffey...a legend. It was like watching figure skating on top of the hockey abilities. It's worth noting that no player in Edmonton not named Gretzky - not Kurri, Messier, Anderson etc. - ever matched Coffey's high water mark of 138 points. Not even Kurri on Wayne's wing for every shift. -
Best All-Time Defenseman Round 5
Kevin Biestra replied to IBatch's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Doug Wilson. His 39 goals in a season is still the best all time behind Coffey and Orr. -
Best All-Time Defenseman Round 5
Kevin Biestra replied to IBatch's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Vote for Coffey. Guess I'll nominate...Scott Stevens I guess. Larry Murphy or Doug Wilson up next maybe. -
I see I'm a little late to the party.
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A bunch of great names up there for the Runner Up to Bobby Award. I'm going with Paul Coffey. Aside from his defense being underrated (he could hustle back and unexpectedly sweep the puck away because of his speed when forwards racing in thought they had it made), his offensive accomplishments are a full class ahead of whoever is next to him and Orr (probably Potvin). The drop from Orr and Coffey to the next guy is like the drop from Gretzky and Lemieux to whoever is next (Yzerman, Phil Esposito). Aside from that, Cups in Edmonton and Pittsburgh. Three 120 point seasons when nobody else other than Orr ever got to 105 in a season. Five 100 point seasons plus his 58 points in 45 games in the 1995 lockout season where he almost won the Hart Trophy. 11 seasons in the top five in Norris voting. 14 seasons in the top 10. 196 playoff points. The best skater I ever saw in the NHL. Despite being in the Hall of Fame, he somehow manages to be in the running for most underrated defenseman of all time because of how low some people have him on the list.
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I actually kind of like those two black red yellow stick in rinks. I think something across the shoulders and narrower stripes on the arms and waist and it would be pretty good.
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Nordiques and Whalers were great logos and great jerseys. You'd really have to have terrible artistic sensibilities to go wrong with them somehow.
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Should Gino Ojdick be in the Ring of Honour?
Kevin Biestra replied to cuporbust's topic in Canucks Talk
Brashear was a good fighter and a credit to the lineup. But I have as many memories of him backpedaling away to the referees and declining fights as I do of him demolishing people. Gino and Tiger were like injured mountain lions fighting for their lives and that captured the hearts of the fans in the way that Brashear's pragmatic decision making never did or could. Anyway, I demonstrated where I'd draw the line to avoid opening cans of worms. People will do it differently. -
Should Gino Ojdick be in the Ring of Honour?
Kevin Biestra replied to cuporbust's topic in Canucks Talk
I don't think so. The classic enforcer doesn't even exist anymore so how would we induct a ton of them going forward? Gino and Tiger. Draw the line there. Rota I have a lot of respect for, and he would be one of the guys to certainly talk about but I would have him below the ROH bar for the floodgates reasons you mention.