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This was the time LL got roleblocked. Assuming that's true, it checks out that Zfetch wouldn't see it because it never actually happened.

Or he did and I missed it

Did he? I feel like Z would've made a much bigger stink about that.

I hope I don't regret saying that out loud lol

It's really not that clear cut. We have no way of knowing AE's role mechanics and how many self saves he actually gets. One? Two? Zero? Who knows? What if his wincon is to make it to F3? Again, who knows? The optimal play for the scum is to RB + MK AE and avoid any f**kery in F3. If they do that, it really makes no difference to us. All non-scum need to come to an agreement here, and AE says he's not voting AT. One of you needs to change your mind or we're hooped anyway.

vote Ilunga I've lost my appetite for big braining it here. Also I don't really care about the RB anymore.

AT voting ilunga yesterday and LL today is making my head hurt

unvote I don't know if I can get into this without "angel" shooting, but the town-aligned special roles don't make much sense if lucky is scum. f**k you BJ. I hate this shit. I have actual work to do and instead, I'm sitting here agonizing over this stupid game.

What if we do ilunga first

Oh, I'll probably change my mind and think this is too crazy. Just give it a few hours.

Amen to that.

@Ilunga I'm down to save lucky if you are

@luckylager Did you ever push BJ for clarification on what happened two nights ago? Or do you still think it's unimportant that the mafia were able to kill someone you supposedly tried to save?

and more importantly, I don't think NIK will ever forgive us either. Dude had this game all figured out from the start, got killed for it, and we all just looked past it.

Gun to my head, I'm picking ilunga.

Vote luckylager

I don't think I could ever forgive myself if I ended up nailing this game early on and never followed through.

Whenever we end up in situations like this, I'm reminded of something that srsface said to me in one of my first mafia games many years ago. I couldn't make up my mind between two potential lynch candidates, and he gave me advice that has somehow stuck with me all these years. "You should always trust your gut. It knows when you're hungry, and what's more important than that?" (I'm paraphrasing, but you get the idea.) lucky has felt off to me the entire game. I chalked it up to him being a special when he claimed doctor, and I was willing to ignore my feelings because there wasn't a counterclaim. But f**k it, we're in LYLO and I'm allowed to do crazy shit. lucky's explanation for trying to save ilduce two rounds in a row smells like shit, and I should have questioned it more last round. I was fine going along with it to resolve WW, but I can't ignore the scumminess any longer. No doctor involved in the game as much as lucky would f**k that up, and then shrugging it off like it's no big deal is just wild. If I was doctor in that situation, you bet your ass I'd want to know what happened. (Side note: I have a feeling that both MR and now WW will be screaming at me for ignoring the signs on Aladeen and LL respectively. Sorry for taking so long to come around, but hopefully I/we are figuring this out just in time.) This is the last game we're ever going to play on CDC and we may as well finish it in spectacular fashion. Either we mislynch the doctor in LYLO and bungle this game in the most spectacularly potato fashion, or we blow up an impressive deepwolf game and give ourselves a real shot at winning this thing. That sounds infinitely more interesting than following the PoE list -- which has continually failed to turn up scum -- and hoping for the best.

I don't follow your logic. If you're so worried about 3HG, why not pick a target from the pool you've identified as "could be either"? Seems like WW and LL are much more likely to yield an anti-town flip based on what you're saying. We have very different interpretations of that third quote then. I read it as lucky saying we miss out on the fun of an extra lynch by vig killing the other scum (WW). How do you figure I'm more likely to be 3HG than SD?

Gotcha. I don't think BJ makes one 3P faction immune to investigations and the other not though. If you want to make an argument for that, then by all means, but I still think it's far more likely that the 3HG faction died when BW did.

If there are two scum left (which is likely, IMO), then from my POV, you're admitting to either being scum or 3P by pushing this. I don't think you would do that, so this all feels like a waste of time to me.

I really don't want to get bogged down with this too much, but intuitively, BW being the left head makes sense if he's the only member of the 3HG at game start. Whether his team would have grown through recruitment or some other mechanism, I have no idea. But overall, this seems more likely to me than everyone outside of me/SD/AE being scum or 3HG.

Why not, and who cares?

For all we know, 3HG could be a cult-type role where BW was able to recruit up to 3 people (including himself), but never got the chance because he died N1. In the event that there are two more 3P players out there on top of the ~2 remaining scum, it would have to be everyone excluding myself, SD, and AE (TL investigated all of us and AE was the only one to come back as 3P), which seems highly unlikely.

Hah, that's not a bad argument.