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[Report] Canucks to part ways with Judd Bracket
theo5789 replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I would say the difference is that the Oilers were atrocious for a decade. That losing culture had been engrained. It was only willed out by a McDavid. And I'd argue that Draisaitl has taken his game to another level since that playoff experience and if not for McDavid and that playoff experience that he would likely have fallen into that same funk as many of their players in the past. We are trying to break that cycle before the culture has settled in. I'd also argue that we have drafted better than Edmonton in the later rounds to add further depth to the roster, so we can fill in younger cheaper depth role players to balance out our cap better. And I'd argue that it's these unsung heroes that will make the difference in our pursuit for the Cup. I understand what you're getting at, but I think we are better positioned to sustain our success. EP isn't touted as the best player in the game and won't get paid as such, but yet he could be just as valuable as a McDavid for us as he continues to up the level of his game. -
[Report] Canucks to part ways with Judd Bracket
theo5789 replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
The problem is we have players that don't want to wait another year, they want to win. We want that from our players. Did you watch The Last Dance? The Bulls wanted to tank another year, but MJ wanted none of that and willed his team to the playoffs. When I was talking about moving on from players, I was more referring to potential young core players. The playoffs will showcase which players will take their games to another level and which are pieces they could use in a trade to bolster other parts of the lineup while having other young drafted players groomed for spots. Younger players would be much easier to move. We are building more of a team than Edmonton and are developing that winning culture unlike Edmonton who were basement teams for years. EP and QH are unlikely to take up the same proportion of the cap as McDavid and Draisaitl. -
You mean the guy that led our team in hits in only 66 games? The guy that can skate around defenders while being 6'7 250+lbs? A fair outlet passer is better than the Pouliot grenades that we had seen in the past. Don't forget he was ragdolling guys like Benn and Getzlaf who were thorns in our side because we couldn't contain them. He isn't perfect, but there's certainly room for a player like him on our roster.
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[Report]Canucks hope to re-sign Markstrom
theo5789 replied to peaches5's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Edler is heading towards the twilight of his career, it makes sense for him to take it year by year or two especially as he wants to be a career Canuck. Marky is arguably in his "prime" right now and this is likely his best opportunity at a decent payout. I think I respect him enough to not offer him a one year deal. Have to make the decision on which goalie to commit to and hopefully Marky wants to be here and gives us a reasonable deal, but we would need to commit to him. Demko right now is simply our leverage and insurance to try and keep Marky's price down otherwise we would be in a tougher spot. -
Makes sense that Vegas is a hub (despite their covid numbers) as their hotels are almost like mini cities. I'm not sure where they could make that "bubble" here in Vancouver though. Are there hotel zones here that don't have residents around it near the rinks? Would they close off Stanley Park or something to allow the players and their families to be able to go somewhere outdoors? Hotels have their own restaurants, so I don't think food would be an issue.
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[Report] Canucks to part ways with Judd Bracket
theo5789 replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
It's not that playoff experience gets you further every year, it's about allowing a young core get that experience and be shown that this team (and management) are working on that common goal to win. It may or may not be successful in the long term, but we would never get there if we are playing this game of trying to get prominent picks and then suddenly deciding now is the time to go for it. That didn't work for Buffalo and even with "the greatest player in the game" it hasn't worked well for Edmonton either so far. This talk of us not being ready yet, so there's no point of even trying and might as well go for a high pick is a losers mentality (anyone who's seen The Last Dance would confirm that a champion like MJ doesn't feel this way). I get this thinking at the start of a rebuild, but at some point you make that leap (especially when you have several picks panning out to start developing that young core). Someone like EP who had a great rookie season, still found weaknesses in his game that he wanted to work on in the off-season. The more experience he gets, the more he knows what he wants to improve on. He will face challenges in the playoffs that he likely wouldn't see in the regular season for the most part. This experience is also important for management to assess where they need to tweak in the lineup and which players they need to expect a higher level or move on from. Continuing with EP, he's a clear example of a player that you see working hard to get better the next season because he wants to win and those are the players management will want to see to deem them worthy of being long term future Canucks that will hopefully bring a Cup home. So yes anything can happen in the playoffs and there's no one route to winning a Cup, but you will never have that opportunity if you don't try. But there are clear examples of teams that have developed a losing culture and it is very hard to turn it around over night. So even if we aren't "ready" now, we are on the trajectory to start preparing for that next step. -
Palmu is signed already and was here, then bolted. Ever since he's been loaned to Europe. I'm not even sure he's been back for training camp since either. It doesn't seem like he's going to be back anytime soon if ever.
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[Report] Canucks to part ways with Judd Bracket
theo5789 replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
You don't simply jump into the playoffs whenever you decide you want to. Just read how the players in Buffalo feels about constant losing despite wanting to make the playoffs. Teams like Edmonton and Buffalo kept finishing low and continued to add "prominent" pieces and how did they fare? It also doesn't matter if you're a dominant team in the regular season, just look at Tampa last year. You get over that hump and become a playoff team to ever have a chance to win a Cup as there's no one formula in winning a Cup. You lose, you learn and you try again. If we already supposedly have the final piece in Podkolzin, then what's the point of not even trying to gain that playoff experience? -
[Report] Canucks to part ways with Judd Bracket
theo5789 replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Are you so sure? Boeser's injury was announced right after. If we didn't have Toffoli, who was one of our best players after we acquired him, that could've been a tough stretch due to morale and loss of depth. It wasn't even quite set in stone yet even with Toffoli. Boeser returned sooner than expected, which pushed LE out of the top 6 finally. Marky getting hurt didn't help either. It was a trade made to tell the team that management isn't giving up on this group (despite Boeser's injury) and they hope that the group continues to push forward. This is a winning attitude. We have seen examples like Buffalo where their players are saying otherwise and despite a hot start for them, they collapsed in the 2nd half right out of even a play-in opportunity. It doesn't matter if it is "one and out", we wanted playoff experience (even if it's an early exit) for the young core for development and assessment and to get us over that hump. Toffoli brought us much closer to that goal than likely without him. -
He has an out clause that if he gets sent to the AHL that he could opt to go back to Sweden. I'm fine either way, but if he cracks the NHL roster, it's because he earned it not because he's been given it. It doesn't matter to me if he plays another year in Sweden or sticks around in Utica and could get potential call ups.
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I just looked back and the Tryamkin issue was with another poster, my apologies. Like I said, I get why it's not ideal that they can't get him signed sooner than later. However IMO, I don't get why Sorokin doesn't just wait a few months and can sign for NYI for next season instead of signing with the KHL. He may get paid sooner, but he would get fast tracked to the NHL if he waits. And as beneficial as it is for NYI to have look at him now, it is also beneficial for Sorokin to prove himself at the NHL level sooner, so he can get to the bigger payout if he proves his value here. This is a matter of burning that year of ELC in which he would only be delaying further if he stays in the KHL another year. NYI would have to plan for his potential UFA budget anyway. If they are concerned about Sorokin going to UFA, he could easily do that regardless of this outcome and NYI shouldn't have been putting all their eggs in one basket (What if Sorokin decided he never wanted to come over suddenly? What if he suffers a major injury? Etc).
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Wasn't the original discussion that because the KHL is starting "on time" that this could be the end of Tryamkin here because he wouldn't want to wait 4 months for the NHL? Because this is what I'm referring to as to not really believe it's over and we are still in a holding pattern waiting on the NHL to have more concrete details. We will see how it plays out as the NHLPA is still arguing against the ruling so perhaps this is all moot anyway. But as I said, if the NHL feels it's teams bringing in ringers, then an alternative is still to allow them to be signed to burn that year of ELC and just not have them eligible for the NHL playoffs. Seems like a reasonable compromise. I understand why NYI would be mad because things cannot go according to plan. Sorokin's early talks of staying in the KHL for another year could simply be a tactic to get the NHL to change their ruling. If Sorokin really wants to get to the NHL, then what's a few more months wait? A brief time loss of income concern is very short sighted for potentially massive gains financially long term anyway (what if he gets hurt in the KHL?). So really it comes down to if Sorokin simply wants to waste away another year in the KHL if his goal is to be in the NHL already. Sorokin wasn't going to play this year barring injuries to Varlamov and Griess anyway.
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Looking more into this, the solution seems simple. If the league feels they are "ringers", then allow them to sign and burn a year, but make them ineligible for the playoffs (but allow them to play in any remaining regular season games left). The PA take care of the financial gain for the players and the league takes away the advantage gained. Teams will have to decide if they want to rely on players to get them to the playoffs that they cannot use in the playoffs. I understand there are risks involved in not allowing their plan come to fruition. But the point is they aren't necessarily "losing" Sorokin, but rather delaying him a year before he arrives which isn't the biggest loss. He wants to join NYI, this isn't a move to take him to UFA. If he wanted to hit UFA then this has been in the works even before this decision. If his goal was to burn a year of his ELC this year, then it makes more sense for him to wait a couple extra months and get to the NHL sooner rather than head back to the KHL and delay it even further. I still don't think this is the end of Tryamkin here because of this news, there are still alternatives where in the end it still makes most financial sense for him to come here and if his desire was to return, a few extra month wait isn't going to be the end of the world. There are some NHL teams that are eliminated already and will have to wait almost 10 months to play again, will those players bolt to the KHL?
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Yes they've arbitrarily changed it for this season given the circumstances. I just can't see how they can change it for the foreseeable future until the new CBA is negotiated. I'm not saying it's not insignificant, but I don't think it'll extend beyond this season. Sorokin is their future starter and remains so even if he comes over a year later, they still have Varlamov signed for 3 more years. Their gameplan could be delayed by a year. They just need a stopgap backup (whether this goalie is of Sorokin's calibre isn't an issue as I doubt Sorokin walks in as the starter bumping down Varlamov immediately) until he can come over. However, they are in early talks, it's not a done deal yet as things are up in the air.
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[Report] Canucks to part ways with Judd Bracket
theo5789 replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Madden was a price we had to pay to give the team a fighting chance for the playoffs. We made that deal before announcing Boeser's injury that was believed to be season ending at the time (and of course unfortunately shortly after Marky goes down). It was a price to pay to show the team that we will do what it takes to make winners out of this group. When we hear about teams like Buffalo and Edmonton and the players simply feeling defeated for years, a Madden seems like a small price to pay to boost the morale of the team for the short term and hopeful long term gain. Development of the youth is just as important as drafting them and giving them the confidence that the team (including management) is willing to do what it takes to get you to the next level is a big boost. -
So a couple of months wait for a more lucrative contract. Doesn't seem like an issue to me. However wouldn't it be whenever the free agency date would be? Bonuses can be paid out on July 1st prior, so if that date changes to say September 1st, then couldn't they have bonuses paid out as early as then even if the season isn't starting until later much like it has been in the past? They would have to request this change for the new CBA, don't they? The NHLPA are fighting it, so while they could probably excuse it this season due to the circumstances (as this year would have more players available for the rest of the season compared to season's past), I can't see how they can change it beyond until at least the next CBA negotiations. What would be the purpose of a reserve list then? There is uncertainty for Rathbone to sign immediately. With so much up in the air, he's deciding whether to stay in school for another year. There's a high possibility that Rathbone would start in the AHL and that league is even more up in the air than the NHL. I understand why he hasn't signed yet. He might make it to UFA, but we surely will have more clarity by next season and would try to get him locked up and if not, make a deal prior to him hitting UFA (similar to Kerfoot and Butcher). Based on his character though, I don't think he's going to jump ship that easily and with us not pressuring him and allowing him to make the best decision for him and his family will go a long way for his loyalty with us. As I said for Sorokin, looks like it'll be a snag, but unlikely the end of his time with NYI. They still have Varlamov and they can sign a cheap backup for a year. It's not an ideal situation, but it's not catastrophic either.
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https://eyesonisles.com/2020/06/04/islanders-ilya-sorokin-update-cska-moscow-1-year-extension/ I assume this is the Sorokin thing you mentioned. It doesn't sound like they will lose him, just that he may potentially be delayed a year further and it sounds like he does want to make the jump to the NHL and with NYI. They are in initial talks which seems like it's a fair thing to do to make plans for whatever happens. It seems this rule right now simply applies for this season due to the circumstances. I'd be surprised if the league suddenly changes the CBA to extend beyond this season, so I highly doubt this affects Podkolzin, but we will see. As for Tryamkin, as I mentioned, we could simply entice him with a signing bonus that he would get upfront if the concern is getting paid. Surely we will know the cap situation and will have decided to sign Tryamkin or not well before the December or extended date. If Tryamkin decides to throw away bigger money so he can simply play sooner than later, then that's on him. I think if Tryamkin's intention was to stay in the KHL, he would've done so a long time ago. He wants to return to the NHL, it's just a matter of making it work for both sides and that won't be at least until the cap for next year is announced so plans can be made. There's a lot of clarity still needed, but I still don't think this news is the end of Tryamkin here.
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Jake was physically NHL ready much like Podkolzin, however it was between the ears that is the difference between the two. What Green has been trying to teach Jake these past couple of seasons where he has been improving in is the two way game. This is something that Podkolzin is already good at now. The reason he had minimal minutes at the start of the year was because they wanted him to hone that aspect of the game before throwing him to the wolves and Podkolzin has taken it in stride when the minutes were given to him. He basically finished the year with 11 points in 16 games with "3rd line" minutes. He will get a good crack at the top 6 next year with the player movement that has happened already and they have made a coaching change that is very familiar with Vasili. If he does end up on LW for whatever reason, personally I think it'll be easier to crack than RW. Eriksson is a placeholder right now. Podkolzin plays a very similar game to Roussel so could replace him easily. Ferland will have to overcome his injury issues. Podkolzin will have to come in and shine of course and it is a good thing to have an abundance of talent. We can trade a good asset for a good return to help with our future of fill a position of need. It's up to him to earn a spot on the end, but he has shown very promising signs that he can stick in the NHL as soon as he arrives. Benning has always said he will make room for young players when they have earned it.
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Well if you followed his season, you'd know how his minutes have been handled. Those 8 points that he got were in his last 12 games when they upped his minutes to regular playing time. Also, he had 3 points in 4 playoff games before the pandemic put everything to a halt. Pretty good for an 18 year old in arguably the 2nd best men's league in the world wouldn't you agree? Now aside from points, he's shown an ability to play a strong defensive game and is a hound on the puck. These attributes will take him far in the NHL. He is nearly 200lbs which is a very respectable NHL weight considering many 18 years are much lighter. I don't know who's spot he would be taking yet, but we will surely find out by next year.
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Players sign annual salaries. If they have a signing bonus in their contract, then would get that money upfront. They are obligated to team rules and train based on team recommendations. I'm not aware of players getting paid on a per game basis and why they would only get paid when a season starts. However if that were the case, then I read that their season could end in February, so he could sign a one "year" deal that states that he could leave as soon as his season is done rather than be tied down until a certain contract end date. This wouldn't be much different than Podkolzin joining us later as well. I just don't think this news is the end of Tryamkin for us. In the end, he is very likely to make more money here than in the KHL with their cap in the end and ultimately that's the decision he still has to make.
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Didn't the KHL and NHL work on a transfer agreement? Perhaps Tryamkin could sign a contract with an out clause for when the NHL is ready. Or he could sign here and start getting paid more than he would in the KHL to simply train and prepare for the start of the season. It's not like we are going to wait and sign him just before the season starts. This doesn't seem like it would detrimental towards us signing him.
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Depth call up at best IMO. 7/8 spots will go to players like Brisebois/Rafferty/Chatfield I would think.
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Because points are the only indicator of being NHL ready...
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As I said, in a regular season game, to send a message, then fine. If it's the playoffs, if it gets him ejected, then you're hurting your own team in a crucial time. Denisenko returned in that game and with fire in his belly and now they were out one of their top players in the tournament over an unnecessary play. If Hoglander didn't feel sick to his stomach not being out there to help his teammates try to win, then I would be questioning Hoglander's team mentality. I would hope Hoglander is more upset at himself than even the team or his coaches.