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  1. With that mentality, would you have traded down to 8th overall in the Pettersson year and risk him being taken (and he likely would've gone 7th with the Rangers trading up)? Would you be satisfied simply to move on to the next player on your list? They felt highly about Jankowski and they knew that he was a raw prospects and felt that's why he was ranked low. He was a rapidly growing kid. He was 5'8 at one point and grew to 6'2 by the time of the draft and was 168lbs, and they felt once he filled out he would be something special and probably heard rumblings that another team would've taken him in the first round. I don't think it's the same situation as a faller because he was likely high on their list (but knew not to take him at 14th and thus traded down) and knew he was a raw prospect and possibly a hidden gem and was actually heading in the other direction and rising. Like I mentioned, he is probably the 2nd best player after Pearson from 21 to 42, so it's not like they were too far off in their assessment. If someone did a re-draft, he probably is still a 1st round pick for that year, so again it's not even that big of a reach in hindsight either.
  2. What are the odds that there are two Greg Adams from BC both to play on the Canucks on the same team at one point? With how much BC talent that goes through the NHL, it's too bad we didn't get more of the elite ones like Burnaby Joe or Stevie Y.
  3. He may be there at 42, but what if he doesn't make it that far. There were 4 centers picked in between 21 and 42 and any of those teams could have considered Jankowski as well. They felt highly about him and he was a late riser (he had a final central scouting ranking of 43rd, but that was a jump from 74 prior, so who knows if he was still climbing on some boards). As I mentioned, if they felt highly about a player, you take them rather than miss out on them hoping they would fall (Weisbrod and Feaster felt others teams would've taken him in the 1st round if they didn't). They got their target player and added a 2nd round pick as well. He's arguably the best player between 21 and 42 anyway (aside from Pearson), so it's not like they missed out on much had they picked someone else at 21st instead.
  4. I remember them saying in the offseason that they felt he was hesitant on plays after his concussion. Any slight hesitation could be a turning point on any given shift. He had a 6 game stint this season which was longer than any of the other bubble players that got sent down, but Green must've felt he simply wasn't the same player from before the concussion and the numbers crunch kept him down. Plus there was likely a mandate to get guys like MacEwen more time with the big club.
  5. You're assuming that trades could have been made to land them right in the spot where they think they could pick him. “I didn’t want to risk not getting Elias and didn’t want to draft too far down — that’s where you get in trouble,” recalled Benning. “My philosophy was you just take him.” This is Benning's quote in regards to trading down in the Pettersson draft. Jankowski was considered as a late riser and who knows who was offering picks to move up and if in a spot they felt comfortable that he would still be available. Pettersson wasn't as big of a leap, but still ranked lower than where he was picked. Sometimes these gambles pay off, sometimes they don't work out as planned, but there wasn't a whole lot of missed opportunities in the Jankowski year and if anything, he may still be a "1st round pick" in a redraft for that year.
  6. I brought up these things about Weisbrod and it fell mostly on deaf ears. I even mentioned that Calgary drafted Tim Harrison from Dexter high school, which also happens to be where Rathbone is from. I wasn't aware that it's known that Weisbrod was responsible for Rathbone though. All people want to remember about Weisbrod is Jankowski and the Macgrady trade in the NBA. I, too, don't think he's the brains behind the operation, but I think he may get more credit than he deserves.
  7. May I remind you of this: This from a writer from a "reputable" company like TSN. They could very easily leave out key points that could change the whole tone. Surely this isn't a one time outlier from the media/independent sources. Of course there are simple errors, but then writers would generally backtrack on these things when they are called out for it. Someone like JD Burke could admit that he might've wrong on his opinion of the Miller trade, but instead he doubles down on it. You don't earn credibility that way. So for example if a scout that was interviewed said "Benning was scouting Cody Glass in 2015, he was never a Pettersson guy at that point" and the blurb that comes out is simply "Benning was never a Pettersson guy", then I guess it must be taken as full truth? We have seen the live footage with our eyes of Benning beaming for EP and blowing our cover to trade down. Benning is quoted for fearing trading down because they might miss out on him. Doesn't sound like someone that had no interest in Pettersson as portrayed. So while there is likely some truth towards the potential that Brackett leaving, all this other drama about who picked who and who did what is really just drama and speculation. If Brackett is truly leaking out real information, then that's more on his character and hopefully whoever is considering hiring takes note. Because this type of character doesn't fit into what Benning has said of respect throughout the organization. The problem with the media saying a scout told me this and that is that there is no accountability. No one knows what that scout really said and if they really said it at all. They say what a dedicated partial fanbase wants to hear to create controversy then they are getting the clicks that their employer likes to see. I think people need to be able to process the information being told and learn to question things rather than just be spoon fed what they want to hear. Otherwise many could've taken the Markstrom "quote" and questioned his entire character with the way he called out his teammates, but it didn't jive with what we know of Markstrom and the real truth eventually came out.
  8. Yep, another capture from a draft video of direct evidence from the man himself, but we are to believe hearsay instead because it fits their ideas better? People seem opposed to the idea that Benning is a draft guru. They don't get that he's no longer a scout, but he has the background. He knows what systems that he would like to implement from experience. So Benning may have missed a few players here and there because he's not out there scouting anymore, but he does relying on his scouts to follow his directive and find the right players that fit that model. I don't understand why people think Benning overrules his scouts on a regular basis (even though he has the power to) when he often credits his scouts. He even openly admitted that DeLorme was the guy that brought EP to their attention, not like Benning was acting in any way like he was some draft master that found EP. Benning understands it's a team effort, but it seems some are simply trying to pinpoint individual efforts and somehow all the bad picks were over-rullings by Benning and all the gems were Brackett brilliance.
  9. That and from previous draft videos all demonstrate ideas that are different than what's being thrown out lately. For example, the idea that Benning was supposedly never a Pettersson guy. Well maybe in 2015 or 2016 he wasn't. But we know he was fully on board by the time the draft came, so something had changed if that idea is true. So it seems like what you're saying is true in that they probably interview some scouts and catch on a blip and instead of telling the whole story, they tell what they want to be told to fit their narrative.
  10. Not unreasonable for Benning to want Glass around where he was ranked. However, Benning was fully on board (listening to whichever scouts involved, with Benning praising DeLorme specifically as an early advocate) with EP even prior to the draft as he blew his cover pointing at him and thus missing out on trading down a spot and gaining another pick. With this in mind, it's also not unreasonable to believe that Benning was feigning interest for Glass in hopes to be able to trade down as well. A lot of this talk does not jive with we saw with our very own eyes of the people involved.
  11. 9 other teams passed on Larkin. Larkin at 6 would've been a reach. Hindsight is great, but this game could be played for any player that are above their draft spot. Pastrnak was picked 25th (someone that Benning ripped into the scouts for missing altogether), so I guess Boston fans should be thanking Carolina for picking Haydn Fleury at 7th? I think it's more believable if Larkin was in discussion for our 24th overall pick as most mock drafts had him in the 2nd half of their draft lists and even below McCann in some instances. If the scouts were clamouring to pick him at 6th, that would be quite something because it would be an even bigger reach than EP was.
  12. Benning was a scout prior to him moving up the rankings. He is noted to be involved in the scouting/drafting aspect and takes great pride in this field. Rob Blake, on the other hand, doesn't have that pedigree. Good on Blake for making the final call on those guys, but it is much more feasible that he truly lets his director of amateur scouting do the leg work (something that Brackett may want). If Futa or whoever wants to actually work with Benning and crew, then that person will be more suited for the role here. Besides I never said Futa was solely responsible for those picks, but just that those were the picks during his time as the director and they won two Cups with a lot of the team built from players that they have drafted and groomed.
  13. Looks like he was director from amateur scouting from 2007-2014 and likely had some involvement beyond that after being promoted. Their 2 Cups won in 2012 and 2014 have been teams that were largely drafted prospects. In 2007, they got Simmonds (late 2nd), Martinez and Dwight King (4th rounders). In 2008, they got an easy one in Doughty, Voynov (2nd, yes we know what happened, but he was still a decent player) and Loktionov (5th rounder) In 2009, they got Brayden Schenn (1st), Clifford (2nd), Deslauriers (3rd, still in the NHL), Vey (4th, potentially could've had a better career if not for off ice issues), Jordan Nolan and Nic Dowd (7th rounders). In 2010, they got Toffoli (2nd), Weal (3rd). In 2011, Andreoff (3rd) In 2012, Pearson (1st), Colin Miller (5th) In 2013, Kubalik (7th, standing out in Chicago right now) In 2014, Kempe (1st), Amadio (3rd) There were other players that had cups of coffee in the NHL (if getting to the NHL is a benchmark). A decent track record where they started finding less players when the team got better, but were still able to squeeze out some later round hits.
  14. If you've followed this thread, you would know where I stand and thus the latter part would've applied. I apologize that I didn't get the memo that we are suppose to be robots because some cannot see or hear me on a internet message board.
  15. Brackett has been promoted to director of amateur scouting with a raise attached surely. He's doing a good job that he's been put into. By the same accounts that he isn't getting a raise, apparently Brackett isn't looking for a raise, so this is a supposedly a moot point anyway. There is another group that wants Brackett to stay, but doesn't feel that we will be crippled if he does leave. There isn't simply a big divide of extremes. The "we" comments also included Benning patting Judd on the back on a draft floor video. Along with him praising his scouting team in other means. Redundant as a 3rd scout continues to go along the trend that many are discrediting the entire scouting staff as a whole and putting the sole emphasis on singular people. This is unlike what Benning has demonstrated amongst the public.
  16. Interesting because Benning has made a point of praising his team of scouts. He's often saying how "we" got the player they wanted. From what I gather, it seems this "fanbase" is suggesting Brackett is the single positive aspect of the drafting alone and his loss will be a major detriment and therefore taking away from all the work that the rest of scouting staff has done. And yet now the scouts want to leave here as well despite Benning actually praising the team while Brackett is getting the brunt of the credit by media and alike?
  17. Just have "ref you suck" playing all game and it'll be pretty accurate to a real game.
  18. Yes Weisbrod even mentioned in a interview that his style is more suited for hockey players. But as far as I can tell, upper management was happy with him and thought he was doing a good job and they were surprised that he resigned from his position. However Weisbrod was always a hockey guy, but the Magic wanted to try something different. I think having a 15 game swing from being the basement team is pretty decent (unless the expectation is that he was suppose to win the championship in his one season after being at the bottom). He also had received death threats at his home at one point. I'm sure there are other reasons for him leaving the NBA as well, but using his time here as a knock on his ability to manage seems unfair IMO.
  19. He was named GM for the 2004-2005 season. In 2003-2004, their record was 21-61. In Weisbrod's GM year, they finished 36-46. They didn't make the playoffs, but that's a major improvement from bottom dweller. Like I said, their upper management thought he did a good job, but Weisbrod left because his passion wasn't in basketball. Who knows where else he would've taken the team, but a 15 game improvement is a good start. Their future was set up with Howard. While it wasn't a reach to select him, he could've gone for the safer choice to make him look good. Going with a high schooler has it's risk, but it gave a longer term vision. It's not dissimilar to us drafting Podkolzin knowing he's a couple years away rather than being able to help immediately for example whereas some teams at the bottom want that immediate impact. He wasn't an amazing GM, but I think it's a bit blown out of proportion that he was poor at his job over one trade that had many factors involved. He got a team to bounce back from being last in the league relatively quickly. That 2008-09 team that got to the finals still had some players that Weisbrod brought in, so his fingerprints were still there. Houston Rockets with TMac struggled in the playoffs despite being a playoff quality team prior to adding him.
  20. That is indeed some terrible development path for Vasili.
  21. How does that confirm anything?
  22. Weisbrod wasn't endearing to fans as he was more of a hockey guy rather than a basketball guy and he's even admitted to that and re-signed from his position. However, the Orlando management clearly felt different and felt like he had done a good job and were surprised at his decision to leave, likely meaning they were hoping he would stay, and why not considering the team had improved from being a basement team. Who knows where the team could've gone had he stayed longer. He clearly had a longer term vision for the team considering he went with a high schooler in Dwight Howard over a safer pick in Okafor.
  23. Weisbrod has been a scout and been assigned a bigger role in taking on a bigger region, but he's never been the director. Jankowski was really the only player that has known ties of Weisbrod being a big fan of and IMO while he hasn't been great, he hasn't been terrible either especially when looking at the others around him. It was a pretty poor draft year and many would have egg on their faces after that year. If the contract offer was as terrible as it's made to believe, wouldn't Brackett be so offended that he could just quit and with the supposed demand for him, he would find a job in no time? If it was so set in stone that Brackett was getting demoted as suggested, I doubt he would've stayed this long unless he's being deceitful and trying to steal intel and resources here to bring to his new team. So this also does not add up to me as they said as far as things go, Brackett is still very involved. Benning could also fire him if he felt he wasn't doing his job, so clearly he was hoping that he would stay and values him and what he has done, but feels they simply can add even more to this group with their background and expertise. Just because they want to be more involved doesn't have to be that Brackett's role is diminished as this could free up more opportunity for him to branch out even further. The way that the media has portrayed the situation really doesn't jive with the whole respect culture that he's also preached publicly. Sounds like Benning wants him to stay, signs are pointing that Brackett wants to leave. But of course it's being portrayed as Benning pushing him out.
  24. It's hard to know who is involved in what (which is also why it seems silly to point all the success to Brackett for the good picks and the poor ones on Benning/Weisbrod as some have done). There are different mandates every season. Despite the critics of our cap, I think our cap "problems" are blown out of proportion. Just because a player is signed at a certain cap that they are comfortable with is not reflective on the guy that signed them if said player doesn't perform up to task. It's about making the cap work with what you've got. Everyone has their opinions on who's overpaid or not, but as long as the cap is managed and we don't lose anyone of significance or be forced into a cap dump situation losing a major asset, then the capologist has done their job (which is currently where we are at). I believe all of our RFA signings have been top notch (including Boeser). We've had some UFA "misses", but it was because players haven't played up to par (and really IMO that's only LE and Gagner I suppose). Sutter and Baertschi were results of unexpected injuries slowing them down. Beagle, Roussel, Myers have been fine and Schaller was never really an issue IMO. The main thing is Gear contributes to a "weak" area for Benning, so he's added that support. Benning and even Weisbrod have scouting experience in which overlaps what Brackett does. It's obvious that Benning and Weisbrod have been involved in the scouting aspect in some way, so they should be given credit as well for the success (we just don't know who was involved with what, but I have tried to connect some dots in an earlier post).
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