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  1. It is questionable if he can do that here considering who we have down the middle who are young and have a hold on the top 3 center spots. Madden would have to come in as a winger most likely and we have young depth there as well. We needed Toffoli now and if we can re-sign him, he makes an impact now on our current young group. He will contribute towards their development. It's not simply stats, it's the progression of the team and taking them to the next level. Madden may have a decent career, but the odds of him doing so are much better in LA than here, so it's hard to gauge his long term career. If Toffoli is impactful here, then it's a good trade. He put up 10 points in 10 games, he was a good "rental" at the time and the trade will be even better if we could re-sign him.
  2. I wonder how many people will be farting into their phones.
  3. Figures that the Florida Panthers president is the representative discussing playing games with limited to no fans. Lots of experience there.
  4. Some may have financial strain now, but if we ever get to a point where they can allow fans back into the stadium, most likely most people will be back to their jobs and could technically afford their tickets like they could before should they choose to do so. Now the fear of going to these events may be real, but we are a hockey mad market here and I suspect if we are a hot team that the fans will come back in droves. Just my feeling, but who knows? It's certainly interesting what the aftermath will be, but I think things will go back to normal once things are under control whenever that may be.
  5. Fair enough, but a good playoffs also boosts value. You're well rested with this break, and have an opportunity to make yourself stand out. There's certainly risk involved, but I'm not sold that it's much different than a regular year. They have a right to say no, but at the same time, how does that reflect on them to other teams? If they're a marginal player, who knows how many more years in the league they have left before they're pushed out of the league altogether. This could be that one opportunity for you to get your name on the Cup. Players that have played their entire careers and have not won the Cup ultimately feel the pain of not winning the ultimate prize. Also with the current market, you want to make sure you're on the top of the list for signings as there is likely less room for teams to add marginal players for decent raises, so there isn't a large market for you. Younger ELCs might push you out anyway.
  6. If a player is traded, I imagine they simply are not eligible to play for their "former" team in the playoffs. Players are technically allowed to be traded after the TDL in any regular season, but just can't suit up for their new team, so this is no different. The biggest problem it creates is that teams may hang onto players if playoffs do resume, so they don't make the deal the would normally make knowing the outcome of the playoffs and whether they want to extend a player or not. I imagine by June, they'll have a good idea if the playoffs will be toast or not though. Teams should be doing their due diligence as best as they can now anyway for the draft. These are the circumstances and every team is handicapped by it., so hopefully teams have been doing their due diligence all year and have a good idea on some of the players. No one will know of the late bloomers, but most teams will know who are the top end guys and who are the longshots by now. They can't do the combine, but they can still do the interviews (phone or video chat) and the Canucks draft a lot based on character, so this will be distinguishable through this.
  7. Rathbone is aware of the Canucks interest in him turning pro. However the communication is made is moot as I'm sure both sides are careful in how they conduct themselves to not screw over the status with the school. So easily Rathbone can communicate his interests and desires back to us through whatever means. All colleges players talk about how they are glad the Canucks have not pressured them into decisions and allowed them to make their choices. This implies there has been communication between player and team rather than us simply avoiding all contact and hope for the best. I watched a documentary about student athletes and it is certainly complicated and if things aren't done correctly, it could ruin a young person's dream. However, this isn't the first rodeo between the NHL and NCAA players and they know what they're doing and there is clear evidence that they communicate somehow. Even with Adam Fox, the Flames knew he likely wasn't signing with them and traded him to Carolina. Carolina took a stab at signing him and realized they weren't doing so and traded him to NYR. Carolina got a 2nd and a conditional 3rd for a former 3rd round pick which isn't a bad return. Kerfoot and Butcher weren't signing with their respective teams and they got traded for each other. Surely, Rathbone will communicate with us his intentions as we have already expressed ours to him and we will make it work somehow regardless if he signs here or not. I'm not that concerned that he's going to backstab us and simply sign with a team of his choice, just doesn't fit his character.
  8. I'm looking at it a bit differently. A player could get injured in the playoffs even if ended in normal circumstances that could hurt their UFA value. They play beyond July 1st, it's the same risk just later in the year. They are having an extended break right now, so bodies are healing before a potential playoffs unlike normal circumstances where players might be going in all banged up. Playoffs are generally considered "non-paid" anyway because teams that fail to make the playoffs still make their dough. Most players want to win a Cup and every opportunity year counts. If the playoffs started in June and you're in the 2nd/3rd round by July, would you simply drop from your team? It would really show you the character of a player and their commitment to winning and loyalty to your team. For me, that would hurt your UFA value also.
  9. I agree with the player contract values. Something to consider for the cap is the bonus overages from this season carrying over to next season. I think it's about 1.7 million if I remember correctly. So don't sign Simmonds and we are at about 4.5 million in cap space left from this point. I don't agree with your trades because I don't think they will happen. Lucky if we do, but unlikely. If we trade any of those players, I imagine there will be cap retention. Baertschi may be bought out or have 50% retained in a trade, so we are looking at 1.7 of cap space for him next year either way. Sutter may have been tradable had we finished the year, but not sure now. Roussel may be tradeable and might be our best bet to move. So assuming neither are moved, we would be 4.5 million over the cap. Ferland may hit LTIR bringing us back to 1 million over the cap. So between trying to squeeze out some extra dollars from contracts (eg Tryamkin gets 2.75, Markstrom signs for 5.5, Tanev signs for 4.75) or we indeed trade Sutter and/or Roussel with some retention, we should be able to make things work. I think if we keep both forwards, then we have 14 forwards, which would force a dman out. So either we save on Brisebois/OJ not in the lineup or we waive Benn and save a million+. As for the lineups, we all have our opinions. Green shakes things up anyway when needed, so for me it's not really worth fretting over.
  10. Whether it's through advisors or what not, there is a communication channel between team and player. “He reminds me a lot of Adam Gaudette,” Johnson says, referring to the fifth-round pick who played his way on to the Canucks from Northeastern University. “He looks you in the eyes and takes in information, and he’s going to do everything and anything he can to be an NHL player. He’s just a hockey player through and through.” This is from an article of Ryan Johnson discussing Rathbone. Hard to look someone in the eyes and when you can't talk to them directly. Rathbone also attended a summer showcase a couple of years back, which included Madden. Gaudette was also an attendee while in college still. I can't imagine the Canucks avoided talking to their college guys during these events.
  11. To go on a completely different trend from this thread so far. Interesting that we had targeted Ryder. Didn't remember him being on that Boston team that beat us. I always find it interesting on what deals could've been made or potential players of target.
  12. Talking with the player is allowed. They cannot participate in any pro events and the Canucks cannot pay for anything. Rathbone has been to summer camps on his own dime and other college prospects have said how they've appreciated the Canucks understanding in their decisions and therefore must be in communication with them. If that is his desire to stay close to home, then I hope he gives us ample opportunity to make the best move for us rather than pressuring us into a last minute move. This is something of his character and the mutual respect that is hopefully shown on each side that should allow this situation to move forward in the best possible direction.
  13. CDC: Let's get younger, faster, more skilled and we hate injury prone players Also CDC: Let's sign Byfuglien.
  14. We may see Michaelis as a center in Utica. Also wonder if we could bring over Costmar as well.
  15. Rathbone took an injury risk year when he skipped college for a year to stay closer to home. No reason why he wouldn't consider that again and ignore the financial aspect (I imagine a player that could attend Harvard isn't in financial hardship, but I don't know if he simply has a full scholarship paid because he's playing for them). His priority has always been his family, yet still maintaining a high level of training and playing. A very good attribute. I think the Canucks being understanding of his situation and not pressuring him to sign in fears that he could walk will bode well with his character and his confidence that we will continue to support him as an organization no matter what his decision may be. I just think if he really wants to stay close to home even during his professional career, then I think he would respect us enough (as we are showing him) to let us know his intentions early and allow us to make the proper moves.
  16. These idiots can't get past one month of social distancing and they're going to be dragging this all out for months longer for the majority of us who are trying our best to do our part.
  17. I would only sign Buff to play in goal as he would cover probably 80% of the net just by sitting in front of it (without goalie equipment).
  18. But you're treating it as a Canuck problem, yet it's going to be a league-wide problem. Will it be an issue? Most likely, but who is going to benefit? Cap floor teams aren't going to suddenly want to spend especially with this financial market and teams like Tampa have less cap space (5 million if cap stays the same) than us next year and could lose a very good player since they only have 3 dmen signed. Last season, there were lots of talks about trying to find a suitor for LE. There weren't a lot of options. There may be even less options if the cap stays the same or is lowered. Other teams will feel the cap crunch and have players that will become available that weren't expected. That saturates the market with limited teams that can afford to pay. The reality is players will have to take less most likely no matter where they go, so the question is do they want to go? As it stands we have 18 million in cap space for next season assuming the cap stays the same. At their current market value, we would we looking at about 17 million to sign Marky (6), Toffoli (6), Tanev (5). I imagine their market values will dip when we find out how the cap is affected. I'm not suggesting they slash their contracts in half to stay here, but the reality of the situation is that all UFAs and RFAs will be affected by this and they will have to take less or possibly find themselves out of the league as they've priced themselves out. So for example Marky signs for 5, Toffoli 5.25, Tanev 4.5, which would "save" us 2.25 of cap space. If we do indeed get a compliance buyout, that's 6 million from LE saved, which gives us 7 million (or 9.25 with my "savings") to sign Jake, Gaudette, Motte, Tryamkin(?), and depth. Waive Benn to save 1+ million, buyout Baertschi to save another 800k or so for next season. It will take some tinkering to make it work, but this was the case even before covid. Just look at the cap space that teams have for next season and not many teams have more space than we do and the ones that do will have to make a big decision to decide if it's worth picking someone up at above market and restricting their own space. It'll be even more costly to dump cap too, so it'll be that much harder for teams to make things work.
  19. They've limited customers, but once inside, it's a free for all. There's enough people that don't practice social distancing (whether people jump in to get what they want, but that's also reflected on people that stand in aisles taking forever rather than just grabbing what they need and going) that it defeats the purpose. There are directional lines, but no one is enforcing it and last time I went to a store with the lines, there were too many idiots ignoring them. I also heard a store had blocked an aisle exit so it forced people to go back against traffic anyway. There are too many people that think because they have a mask, gloves and whatever that they are invincible and make many completely baffling decisions. People really shouldn't be shopping for a couple of items at a time and stock up better. I understand some people don't have a lot of space, but generally they should be able to get by shopping once a week and they still have take out food options plus other stores for other essential needs. There really shouldn't be a need to have more than one adult per household getting the shopping done (certainly there are exceptions, but for the large majority, this shouldn't be a problem).
  20. https://www.canucksautism.ca/ The Canucks organization is very involved with people with autism. Jack and his family will get a lot of support and understanding through this situation and will make things work. The Canucks were clearly aware of the situation and still took a chance on him while other teams didn't because they know they can support them and felt like he would be a great player for us especially with his character. It would seem very out of character for him to not sign with the team that has given him the confidence and support through this time. I'm not too concerned if he stays in Harvard even if it takes him to FA. There's also the consideration that if he signs with us, he might be spending the year in Utica anyway which is a 4 hour drive from his hometown (a shorter flight). If he intends to stay close to home, then surely he will let us know of his intentions (again because of his character) and we will work on a deal with Boston or whatever team is closer.
  21. Luckily we were in position to get back there this season. It also helps to put people in the seats with a young and exciting team and having people buy merch of the new guys rather than the stale old ones before getting the playoff cash. With a young established group, we can at least be in the playoffs for a decent stretch rather than a one off and hopefully during at least one of those years we can take it all the way.
  22. Yes but how many of those teams are looking to add? You're making it sound like we are in a bad position to lose a player when in reality, most contending teams are not going to have the space to pay "market value" for these players anyway. If you're suggesting that teams with more space can pay players more, that hasn't changed prior to covid-19. Everyone is affected proportionally. Players still have to want to sign for those teams and if they're only in it for the max money they can get, then they wouldn't fit into our plans anyway. I'm not hijacking anything, I'm saying there's more layers to it.
  23. And those teams were intentionally looking to hit the cap floor, so they are either intentionally not spending, rebuilding (and not look to make significant adds to their team yet, or what cap space they did have prior is not as much as they had before with the cap stagnating or even possibly dropping. Then there's the factor is those UFAs want to sign with lesser teams for the money because they have the space or if they want to stay with a contender (and/or keep loyalties to their respective teams). If teams want to outbid, then they are eating up their precious cap space. Thankfully we have depth of up and coming prospects to help mitigate any losses significantly. We may just have to rush in a player sooner than expected (eg Demko takes the starting gig if we lose Marky, Tryamkin assuming he returns gets a bigger role if we lose Tanev, MacEwen/Lind/Hoglander cracks the roster in Toffoli's spot, plus Boeser is still around). The point is, this isn't just a Canucks problem, it'll be a league-wide problem. If we get a compliance buyout, then that eases our situation further.
  24. The reality is this will be a league wide problem. If we can't retain them, there won't be a big market to acquire them at the price tag they want anyway. Players will simply have to take less, possibly for short term and hope things trend back up. If that's the case, then we should still be able to retain or add players that we not have expected to become available as things shift proporrionally. Not like these players are going to bolt to Europe or whatever, so both players and teams will feel the crunch if they want to keep the league going.
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