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Thanks @Master Mind, Pietrangelo really gave it his all and made it much closer than it needed to be. It is unlikely that we will face each other again in the playoffs unless it's in the finals, so best of luck to your team and hope to meet you again in the playoffs someday! What an incredible run for this team. The stars are aligning and we are off to the Stanley Cup Finals! No matter who our opponent will be in the finals, it'll be one of our toughest challenges yet, but you have to beat the best to be the best. Our team is dwindling down, but we will give it our best shot! Let's go boy(s)!
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At least 2 years, but that is pretty much standard development time and he will be in a men's league. Power who's projected to go #1 is likely to stay another year in college also. This isn't a draft where anyone needs to be rushed into the NHL.
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I've said it earlier in this thread that I would be excited if we picked Svechkov. He's signed with Podkolzin's old team for next season. So while he might get the "kid treatment" there, it's a sign that they see the talent to pry him away from another squad. The best part if Benning took him is the overreaction of why we took him. Of course if we could trade down and gain an asset and still nab him, then even better (which is what some would complain about while ignoring that it takes two to tango), I wouldn't be upset one but if we did end up picking him at #9.
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He did play some games in a men's league in Europe during the pandemic. Had 11 points in 13 games in the regular season then followed that up with 7 points in 4 games in their playoffs. Another potential late 1st/early 2nd round options Brennan Othmann was on the same team and got more games, but only had 16 points in 34 games and 2 in the 4 playoff games.
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Don't tell that to the 30+ decline crew. He was acquired at 30 years old with like 10 more years left at 7.5+ million on his contract. CDC would have an aneurysm if we made a move like that. That's not even including the fact that he was dealt for a 26/27 year old who was near PPG on a shorter (but more expensive) contract.
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Interesting. Also like the fact that he's signed on for Rogle (Hoglander's old team) for next season in the SHL.
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Fair enough. I need to see more of him to have a better gauge. With the scouting challenges this year, I could see some large movement. I'd be fine if we took him at 40, but it also depends on who else may be available. Just saying that if he does fall to our 3rd round pick, then it would be a solid addition at that spot, especially if many had him ranked higher.
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I guess the only thing I would caution from that video package is it's against what looks to be "easy" competition given the score. Certainly an intriguing player though that had been ranked in the late first in some earlier rankings, but has seemed to drop off a bit. Would be a solid add if he drops to our 3rd rounder.
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CDC: Why did we pick him? Benning doesn't know anything, fire him. 2 years later, Canucks draft pick is a Calder finalist (or winner) and is a top 5 pick in a re-draft. CDC: Uh....it was a scout's pick...Benning doesn't know anything, fire him...
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Don't know about flowers, but I think they like a certain other plant.
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It'll be interesting to see if anyone falls and they decide to pass to go for the goalie. They passed on Quinn for Zadina. With that said, I agree they could use a solid goaltending prospect. Some suggest they could pass on Wallstedt and take Cossa later. It would be shocking if they took both goalies with their 1st rounders to lessen the risk of one "busting". It could also set them up for years or be able to move one to fill an area of need should both pan out.
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So - Who Should The Canucks Take At The Number 9 Spot?
theo5789 replied to Patel Bure's topic in Canucks Talk
I know it's an unusual drafting situation this year, but the 1st round isn't going to be as wild as many believe. It'll be the latter rounds (or even late 1st) where picks could go anywhere. I think the top 15 is pretty much set aside from a reach from a team and a few personal decisions to bump around the players in that top 15. I can't see Eklund falling to 9th. NJ has Holtz who has played with Eklund. Detroit is heavy on the Swedish scouting and I'd be shocked if he makes it past them unless they're really high on Wallstedt. If Eklund isn't on Benning's list and somehow slips past us as well. There's going to be a very happy team past us. -
So - Who Should The Canucks Take At The Number 9 Spot?
theo5789 replied to Patel Bure's topic in Canucks Talk
If Eklund is there, we are laughing. Easily the BPA should he fall to 9th. -
I find our PP lacks that threat from the point. Plus with Hughes wanting the freedom to roam, I think it's good to have a player that is more used to the defensive side of things should it go the other way (while providing a solid offensive element). Having someone like Horvat/Miller on the 2nd unit gives them a strong faceoff man. Horvat and Hoglander have chemistry together to provide a useful 2nd unit (plus with Pearson as well I imagine). Having a dangerous 2nd unit is just as useful in having a solid PP system overall. I'm fine with having Schmidt/Myers/Juolevi/Rathbone getting 2nd unit duties on defense. But yes, even if he QBs the 2nd unit, it would be a boost as well. Plus he can PK which means he's utilized in all situations which is why you can utilize that cap space given the minutes he would eat.
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You can probably push Miller or Horvat onto PP2. Hughes can end up being the "4th forward" of the PP with OEL actually capable of defense should the play end up going the other way. OEL has a solid point shot as a threat to stretch out the PK. Rathbone looked decent only shows the effectiveness of having another dman on the group with a decent shot. Rathbone doesn't PK yet and if we are moving on from Edler, we will need someone to step into that role on the left side. Neither of us know what the potential return would be, but if we can shift cap that we aren't using into cap that is being wasted into something we can actually use, then that's an improvement on the roster already. Every player can be looked at from their downside point of view, but there is also upside. At the end of the day, this whole 30+ decline thing is so overstated. Many players have played at the top of their game well into their 30s. OEL's contract ends at 35, hardly crippling. And as I brought up from the beginning, Weber is a clear example of it and I'm sure many here would not be opposed to having Weber in the lineup. To be clear, I'm not advocating that we go and target OEL at all costs. I think he would be an upgrade to our defense and likely comes at a cost cheaper than what a normal top end dman would cost. I also wouldn't wait on Arizona to make a deal, I'd make an offer and if they don't take it, then move on. I'm just saying that it's not as bad as you're trying to portray it and the main point is the whole 30+ argument. I also have other targets that I wouldn't mind as well. We have players that want to win now rather than wait and we need to keep the players happy before they start wanting to jump ship. If we have a competitive team, hopefully RFAs want to take a bit less to win with this group (see MacKinnon). Otherwise we can keep waiting another year for who knows how long (see Buffalo, Edmonton, etc).
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So OEL putting up his career average numbers despite getting his minutes dropped is a sign of decline? Perhaps there's a correlation between his EV strength point totals to his deployment? One season of lower EV points in a year where his EV time dropped is hardly proven science that he cannot get it done anymore (this is a very similar conversation about JT Miller with his "decline" in Tampa). There's no reason to believe he wouldn't get PP1 time here. We had Rathbone on PP1 last season, so we are open to having two dmen back on the top unit. There's no guarantee that OEL will for sure be as good at 35, but there are clear examples that not all 30+ players are on massive decline to refute those claims we constantly hear. Weber being traded for a bad contract is just an example of why we wouldn't need to pay a high price to acquire a potential #1 dman. The NMC only makes it harder for Arizona to move him to lower the cost even further. They don't want to spend the cash. In case you haven't noticed, OEL plays all types of minutes. He's what you expect from an actual #1 dman to be capable of and he'd easily would be our #1 all-round dman. Our 2nd highest point producer on defense had 21 points which puts him around 50 amongst all dmen. Respectable, but seems odd to not want to welcome more offense and from a player that could also play the PK. We don't know what "assets" would need to be spent, but Benning already wouldn't overpay given the situation as he has demonstrated already. If we do acquire him, it'll be from a desperation standpoint for Arizona especially if OEL is dead set on coming here.
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Perhaps Arizona wanting to move out OEL meant they didn't want to overwork him and cause injury? Or perhaps they wanted to prepare for their transition considering they were trying to move OEL in the past offseason and now clearly looking to move him again this offseason? Yet, OEL was still on pace for 42 points this season with lesser minutes. But if you want to look into who the #1 dman is, then technically Josi was taking over that role in Nashville as well for a couple of seasons already. And as I said, they don't need to be exact equals for this. Even if Weber is slightly meaner (while not much else separates them), it doesn't take away the fact that Weber was traded at 30+ on an even larger albatross of a contract. And yet Weber is still playing at the top of his game at 35, which is when the OEL contract ends. Plus I suspect the trade returns will be different considering the fact that OEL has a NMC to control his fate whereas Weber did not. We clearly have shown that we won't overpay otherwise we would've done it last year. If we do acquire him, it'll be at lower than market value.
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You'd think getting out the Arizona hell hole would help him improve all in itself. We lack a #1 dman, and he fits that criteria.
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Did I say they were similar players? I am pointing out their ages and contracts when Weber was dealt and if OEL does get dealt. Weber's contract is far more brutal. Weber is still arguably Montreal's #1 dman at 35, the age when OEL's contract ends. But if we are comparing, both were basically #1 dmen for their respective teams when dealt, but moved for their contracts. Both are big bodied dmen who put up about 40-50 points. Both play a physical game (both average around 4-5 hits per 60). Both have had relatively healthy careers. Differences, one is RD, the other is LD. One is Canadian, the other is Swedish. Anything else to add?
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I wonder how many would've been opposed to trading for Shea Weber when Montreal did. He was 30+ I believe at the time and had like 10 years left on his contract at 7.8+ million. And I wonder what their opinion is today of that trade.