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Although I'm not a big fan of Samurai's vague approach and constant resistance to voicing any kind of authoritative opinion on anything, your posts are increasingly getting obnoxious. It seems like every second post in this thread is yours. It reminds me of another poster who mentioned that you seem to live for this thread. Although, I will thank you for your posts, as they are a constant reminder for me every time I visit that I have better things to focus my attention on.
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As we all know, this is definitely a strategy. What are you suggesting with this video? Are you suggesting that other countries should adopt the strategy? If so, which ones? All, or just some?
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What in particular?
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Not to mention Sweden has around 10 million people only and is a highly socially-minded homogeneous society. Taking their model and putting it onto other countries isn't exactly the best idea.
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We're on the same page that people shouldn't break recommendations for no good reason. The reason why I'm more on the "give people the benefit of the doubt" side of things is because I don't feel we should just be going around and assuming what everyone's situations are, that they're merely being inconsiderate bullies towards their fellow community members. You seem to want to call them out without knowing their situations, but hopefully you can see now that you can easily assume the wrong thing when your assumptions are based deeply in your emotional triggers towards those you think are against you, as you did towards me. I prefer the seek to understand approach. FTR, I was bullied my whole younger years as well, but being bullied doesn't give us the right to then become the bully enforcers at a time like this. If anything it should give us the ability to be more considerate, even towards those we presumptively assume are flaunting the rules. If you haven't ever heard the commencement speech by the late author David Foster Wallace This Is Water, give it a listen on Youtube. I think it's applicable in many ways here, and it's a very good speech. It's about being aware and considerate to those around us, which you and me and others are doing, but that we're not perfect all the time, as you know, and we constantly have to remind ourselves that the world is not actually out to get us personally, even when it can feel that way at times. Every one of us could use the reminder from time to time. We all have our own things going on and reasons for our actions, so taking the benefit of the doubt side of things can help bring us together. Lastly, and I don't want to continue this conversation after this either, but please do think twice about what it would be like if we all were just going to call an ace an ace. If we all were going to, well, then expect others to do the same to you, such as you shouldn't go golfing and break that recommendation not to, or you shouldn't go to buy shoes and only shoes at one time because you're breaking the recommendation to not go out more than you have to (remember, you could've killed two birds with one stone and got groceries at the same time). Imagine if someone came up to you and called you out when you were going from store to store looking for shoes what that situation would look like. I'm guessing there could've been yelling and swearing, etc. Is that what we want or need during this? I personally don't think so. Situations are never simply black and white, as we have both described with our "breaking of the rules", so maybe giving people the benefit of the doubt is the way to go. P.S. If someone is simply being a selfish POS and actually not giving two craps about the recommendations, well, screw them and their republican ways. Make some complaints, call a bylaw officer, write to a newspaper, etc. Anyways, this is water, this is water. Cheers.
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You're wrong on all accounts. Inhaling alcohol or any other kind of non prescribed medicine is harmful, and my point was that even a prescribed one such as asthma inhalers can be detrimental in ways. You taking what I said to assume that I don't know the benefits of it is just unnecessary, as that had nothing to do with anything I was saying. You added that assumption. 1) I'm not relishing anything. It is a recommendation, that is just a pure fact. What I relish is people doing their best to follow recommendations as best as possible, and I also relish that there are many situations where safety can still be the utmost importance and followed, even if recommendations are not 100% taken. 2) I champion couples to make their decisions that they believe is right, all while advocating for people to do the right thing. But I'm definitely not advocating any crowding of aisles, and I don't understand why you would think otherwise. 3) Not my positions. 4) you want grocery laws because of how other provinces are calling for it, as their covid situations aren't going as well as BC? https://www.vicnews.com/sports/all-golf-courses-in-the-province-should-be-closed-to-prevent-virus-spreading-british-columbia-golf-says/ Please read the a I've article. This is why I posted earlier that every single one of us can be better. Golf courses are shut down in Alberta. BC Golf Association is requesting all golf courses shut down, yet you went golfing in Duncan. Your hands are not clean. And don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising you for going. You took the correct precautions and that's great, and I applaud you for it, but it is still an example of hypocrisy, which we are all guilty of if we dig a little deeper. And my point with saying the article is from Alberta is to say that their situation is different than BC, just like the golf courses. I'm not an advocate for callouts or witch hunts. I'm an advocate for trust in our community members and our provincial government. Since you haven't been able to pick up on my stances at all and instead think I'm pro aggressor and don't respect people with fears, allow me to clearly state that I'm fully aware there are many fearful and panicked people right now, and I fully respect that. Where I think we differ is in delivery towards others who don't follow the recommendations, as well as that I don't believe panic and fear trumps calm and sensibility. The respect goes both ways. 5) I wasn't criticizing your decision to go and buy shoes. I respect that you made that decision to go and that you practiced SD as best as possible. I used that as an example to show that we all have our own unique circumstances and that we should all respect each other for making our adult decisions and trust that we're making the right choices, rather than putting judgement onto others that they're in the wrong and we're not. I'll use us both as an example: You did have the option of getting your shoes when you also buy groceries, as it saves a trip and limits the amount of times you go to Costco, which is a recommendation. There are other options, but you chose what you chose. I'm ok with your choice and do not think you should've done one over the other, as long as proper SD is done then I'm all for it. I respect your decision. For me, I get groceries with my wife, even though the recommendation is to try not to do that. But we go together because we live downtown, do not own a vehicle, and we buy enough for three weeks so that we don't have to go as often, which is a good thing. We also are highly conscious of SD practice and others around us, just like you. I could go alone and make multiple trips, but we've decided we're safer in a variety of ways when we go together. This is in no way advocating for crowded aisles or any of the assumptions you've put onto my posts. Emotions are running high, I get that, which is why I prefer calm and sensibility during a time of crisis.
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Huh? How the heck did you get to these conclusions? You obviously haven't taken any time to read or try to comprehend anything I've said. Seems like a common occurrence in this thread with a few posters. And now I'm a republican? Yeesh.
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I am against it as a law, as the article you posted wants, in BC with the consideration in mind with how well BC has been doing throughout this, especially when the idea of tracking people is also proposed. What I'm for is proper social distancing and for people to consider those around them and to listen to our authorities on how to use the proper etiquette, and to do their best. I get it, people are anxious and scared during this crisis, and those emotions can come out in a variety of ways, such an increased level of panic and vigilantism when among people in grocery stores. Lastly, I don't think you know what gaslighting means.
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You seem to assume myself and those in charge in BC aren't aware of what's going outside of the province, or within. Something I learned a long time ago is that when people "should" all over others it's usually a sign they are the ones that might want to look in the mirror. Ever heard the saying that when you point the finger at someone there's always three fingers pointing back at yourself?
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^That's Alberta. Hasn't BC already taken measures to make grocery stores safer, such as limiting the number of customers, the directional arrows, hand sanitizer at entrance, and plastic shields at the tills?
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Bleach kills covid, can you vaporize bleach?
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The damage it would do to your lung capillaries and alveoli would absolutely be detrimental to your health and make it much worse. Even steroidal asthma inhalers can decrease a person's immune system and can be worse for people for preventing and fighting infection.
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Delivery is important for sure, whether from our governments or from each other.
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I had a feeling you'd only find the Okanagan article for BC (remember, we're not the US, or Ontario where they're fining people, or Quebec, BC is a different situation). The article is a recommendation, i.e. if it's possible, and it also asks readers to keep in mind the following when thinking about calling people out: “That’s part of the reason to be kind and considerate of others,” he said. “The circumstances of others are not our circumstances.” The problem I have with calling people out is that we could probably find hypocrisy in every single person and say, "It's better if you did this, or that, or that." For example, don't buy frozen pizza, make your own because it's healthier for you and will last longer; or, don't go to the grocery store once a week because the incubation period is two weeks, so the more you go the more you endanger yourself and others, so instead go every two weeks or more; or, don't go to Costco to only buy a pair of shoes, instead put your foot up and ice it and then go get shoes when it's time to stock up on groceries, etc. etc. Everyone can be better, but the vigilantism will only creat animosity and distrust in our communities and could very well have the opposite effect of what the calling out was trying to achieve in the first place.
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But you also called me out earlier in this thread, so am I part of the smart ones or the ignorant ones? If you think the latter, please explain how so. Also, show me where this rule is of one person, please. Edit: And ftr, since it appears to not be obvious to you or others, I'm not advocating for people not practicing proper social distancing.
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I'm not sure what you mean? What argument is based on inconvenience?
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I absolutely agree with you. It's exactly why my partner and I go together. We know how infection spreads (she's a health professional), we know how to stay safe and to limit contact with items yada yada, and we are very good at grocery shopping, which sounds hilarious to say but it's a really thing; and we're in and out in no time and also able to stock up for three weeks so that we're as isolated as possible and not going to the store every few days or week. We also don't own a vehicle and live in a downtown core, so for one person to go and then carry home three weeks of food just isn't feasible. And here's another thing to consider: stores are limiting many items of two per person, but what about a family of four, should they only be allowed to buy two items of something like a single person living alone when they have more mouths to feed?
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I think the respect goes both ways. People should try to limit traffic in a grocery store as best as possible, but people should also respect others' decisions to go with someone else if they feel they need to, as who are any of us to decide what we deem appropriate and essential without knowing their situation(s). Assuming any of our situations are more essential than someone else's is a slippery slope, and the fact of the matter is that grocery shopping is now a game of Frogger that we all have to play. It's also why grocery stores have to limit the number of customers at one time, so if a lane is crowded at some point, people will just have to wait a few seconds or minutes until the car has passed and they can jump to the side of the street safely.
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You just proved my point from earlier that people can all have specific and good reasons for what they deem essential, such as grocery shopping in a pair or buying shoes at costco. But for us to all assume people are just flaunting the rules without knowing their situations isn't really the way to go. We all just have to try and make the best decisions as possible within this crisis.
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Did you buy any groceries or go just for the shoes?
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It crumbs with the territory of going against the grain. This is rye I always feel the knead to have solid reasoning behind my opinions, because it allows me to rise to the occasion and toast to the most logical side of ideas; this is how I roll, so being raked over the coals is the yeast of my problems. Heyooo!
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When stores are limiting the amount of customers at one time, what's the difference if it's me and some other person or me and her? It's not as simple to carry around enough groceries for three weeks as you think, and I personally haven't been in a store that's overcrowded, so maybe that's a mainland issue? Also, if older couples are nervous about grocery shopping they should take full advantage of going first in the morning before everyone else, if that's possible. Also, also, if you have a bulk barn close to you, they tend to have yeast, in my experience.
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Sounds like Russia is going to be the next US in this. Yikes.
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Comparing Freeland to Poilievre (who is arguably the most condescending, unempathetic, and disgusting Canadian politician of all time) is the worst insult you could give, and it's unwarranted. She's one of the best and most genuine politicians in government right now, and she did answer his question, just not how he wanted it answered. She's not smarmy, she's savvy. All Poilievre was trying to do was frame a narrative that the Liberals have mishandled this pandemic from the start. Don't blame her for not buying into their perceived narrative, blame the Conservatives for trying to play politics during the crisis. Have you not seen that Scheer still wants MPs to sit as usual during all this? They don't care about people like they try to make it seem, they care about the economy first and foremost.
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Sorry, but you don't know people's situations, and to assume isn't the way to go. My wife and I live downtown Vic, don't own a vehicle, meal plan like pros, cook everything, and stock up for three weeks at a time so that we can hunker down for as long as possible. How am I supposed to shop alone and carry (walk) everything home when I only have a backpack and two arms? She's a buck twenty and certainly can't carry everything alone either. Should I make multiple trips, because I don't find that helps? We both take the rules very seriously, and the two of us together can get in and out very quickly while keeping us and others safe. Sure, there will be people who don't follow the rules and aren't like the two of us, but maybe they are.