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  1. 164 gets your ass handed to you unless your skills are ELITE
  2. Yes, there are......the question is, why do we consistently not pick the best player available?
  3. This guy was a 10-15 pick Why did we spend #5 on him?? Is every single scouting service who has proved Bening wrong in the past with his flight of fancy first rounders, wrong .......yet again?? THIS time Bening knew better than they did? We may have gotten a good player, but we didn't get the BEST PLAYER POSSIBLE, and this guy is reallly really skinny......another, "Oh, wait till he...." pick? Why can't we pick the guys EVERYONE says are better, and physically prepared to play in the league that THIS team plays in. Benning is not a smart man, I've watched it for years now, he should be filling scouting reports from remote arenas for a real GM to read, This guy cannot do the simplest things right, and I'm sooooo sick of it Petterson may be good, just like Joulevi might be good....but they aren't the BEST AVAILLABLE, I feel like Benning wants to make these of the board picks to "Get his scout on" not to stock this team with the best players possible. A general manager should not say while looking into a camera "We don't got no defensemen" An executive who can't even structure a sentence can't be expected to make sound decisions, being an assistant GM doesn't mean all that much, many GM's keep thier "Road dogs" around, to help them deal with the job (Nonis) it does not mean they are qualified GM's Benning is in way over his head, has been for years, and I don't understand why Trev (Who does not lack intelligence) supports it. Again, might well be a good player, but wasn't our best shot at success.....what else is there to say, that hasn't already been said, This has been such a weird 4 years......like a mixture of Keenan and Nonis.......I don't know, whatever.....It's not my team, maybe Aqua needs to lose money through the team to qualify for other tax shelters......whatever......it's so lame now, it's not even worth being ruffled over.
  4. It seems this forum has become a summer home for the mentally feeble.. "aparent from day one he wasn't an AHL player??!?!" That's because he should have been playing in an AIR HOCKEY league down at the bar, that's how bad he was, AHL players were making him look like he didn't belong on the same ice as them, and guess what he didn't. All they did this season was try and get Jake to not embarrass himself, he spent most of the time hanging back and he didn't play like he belonged in te AHL, let alone the NHL The delusion on this board is amazing, Truth: Jake isn't very good, everything that could possibly be measured proves that. Now, you will try and convince me a white wall is painted black, have at er'
  5. We were NOT all expecting good things, many of us called this situation well before it happened, it was a stupid move by JB Like the Virtanen pick, The Joulevi pick, the Gudbransson trade (that was the worst, we were a laughing stock), making a 4 line center our "foundational player" like not properly scouting Tryamkin, Oh hell, let's go all the way back to his choking on the Kessler deal. Sutter Gudbransson and Sbisa (minus a 2nd rounder) terrible outcome, a team took our star and we got back standard or below standard parts in return. His "great scouting" has been totally disproven When I listen to JB speak he doesn't sound very intelligent, and I actually suspect he isn't I wish Trev would just take over as GM, at least I know he's intelligent
  6. Trev only did that when they were grooming him to be a center, after his first two years he was full on center and had the 40-50 assists to prove it I'm still not sure Sutter understands assists count in your scoring totals too, But I'm ALL for moving him to wing, as a 20 goal winger I'm ok with him, but he doesn't know how to distribute the puck, having a guy like that play center for you is a killer, it chokes your offensive game
  7. And we always lose, that tells you right there which parts need switching
  8. Krutov was fine until her got paid, You do realize your questioning the preparation of the greatest hockey team of all time right?
  9. Not a bad Idea, it's tough to be a tough guy when you've got no back up. Look at Edmonton, nobody is messing with them for the next few years, Toughest NHL line-up i've seen in a really long time
  10. I case no one has mentioned it's well known Bure took special "supplements" in those days, (The Tony Twist protein shake) Not sure if testing in the NHL has improved since then, part of me thinks it may have but part of me says that's impossible since no one ever gets caught and athlete's are willing to do anything to get an edge
  11. Hmmm, interesting, It is one of those unanswered questions : How exactly did a player we were told had deficiencies in his skating end up having none? (Bo) Maybe the Canucks lowering the bar a little for Jake is just what the Dr. ordered, letting him settle into a third line role with less pressure to score is a more realistic target for him. I sometimes wonder how bad of an influence McCann was on Jake, By all reports McCann was a real piece of work and it's well known that they hung out a lot.
  12. People here can't stand it when someone gets some insider info, they go bonkers, jealousy I suppose, but I still find it very odd behavior. Personally, I say thanks for sharing that, and I take people at their word until they give me a reason not to. I'm also going to assume you have better things to do with your time then make up stories about meeting Jake f$%king Virtannen, I sincerely hope everyone else does as well, Did he mention anything about how closely his workouts will be monitored throughout the summer? Or did you get the impression it was up to him? Also, I'm not a fan of this micro-managing an athletes weights, Igor Larionov's book has a great section in it where he talks about refusing to lift weights as the Soviet trainers wanted him to be stronger, he said (paraphrase) "I'm training for hockey not weightlifting, Why not train for what I'm actually doing on the ice and let my body find it's own ideal weight" In Jakes case I would prefer to hear about him doing on ice drills to instill muscle memory in all different situations so he isn't thinking out there, he's already strong, lack of hockey IQ which basically means not knowing the right play at the right time, or having to think about it are his main weakness, that and in game endurance. Approximating game scenarios and drilling them over and over, along with long controlled scrimmages would build his "Hockey IQ" and his hockey (different from stair-master) Cardio. The thing is, you can't add muscle and train like that at the same time, I'm a little concerned now that he'll be pumping iron all summer be the same player only bigger, Great to hear about the attitude, but the fact that adding muscle is #1 means he can't do a lot of cardio or heavy on ice work, the muscle would come right off again, I hope everyone knows what they are doing, this kid came in under-skilled not under-sized, why is he working on his size?
  13. Please explain this "Lightbulb" going off, it certainly wasn't the goal light , so I'm not sure what you're referring to?
  14. You do know you point is based on utter fantasy right? And you are also aware that there are hard facts that you projected your fantasy over right? And you also must be aware that the Canucks didn't pull him aside and say "Jake, you're fat and unmotivated so you're not allowed to score this year, next year you can score 30 in the NHL, but this year no AHL scoring, ok?" Try projections based on what is really happening rather than daydreams Jake was not an effective AHL player this year, that is a fact, what happens next know one knows, but the betting odds aren't good.
  15. Alf is one of the few posters on here that has the ability to see things from the perspective of whoever disagrees with him, he also has a healthy enough ego that he doesn't throw a tantrum if he decides that other view point has more merit. We disagree often but I have never had a problem having a debate with him, sometimes he's shown me I'm wrong, either way it never turns into a hissy fit or gets personal. He (Or she) is fun to talk hockey with and I there isn't much more I would ask of a CDC poster. I think Alf starts with the "Nonsensical" stuff when people start taking things personally and pitching tantrums. It's his way of saying "Not interested in B.S" I've never had Alf say anything like that to me. In fact, Alf has always had hard facts to back up his or her point. Don't sweat the haters Alf
  16. It was 2 games, 2 play-off games........that Kass won for the oilers, but Jake is already better? Is there a video of Mc David saying Jake is amazing and was the best player on the ice that I missed? I can find the Kass one.... And I'll takes Kass' 7 regular season and 2 playoff NHL goals over Virtannen's 9 AHL goals too, thank you To another poster above, e one that made every weak excuse in the book, and made every, unfounded by real evidence, forecast for Jake's career going forward: Stop arguing against facts, you have none to back up your claims , it's obvious and embarrassing to read. The best opportunity we have to solidify our future core (Besides the draft) is the fact that Reinhart is available Virtannen + Joulevi for Reinhart if we have to, Virtannen + Tanev +2nd 2018 if we can get away with it, Then add this years pick to our decent crop of young defensemen and we are solidified at center ice, the teams biggest problem is solved: Horvat, Reinhart and 2017 1st up the middle will solidify is team for the next decade, one more year of sucking, we target the best Defensemen we can get in the 2018 draft and this team has everything needs to start the next era When it comes to solidifying your center ice position no price is too high, Joulevi will be an average to good NHL'er not a top pair guy, we have plenty of guys like that and Virtannen needs to go, because if he struggles out of the gate this next season and there are no indications that say he won't, his worth will crash in the trade market Now is the time to make ballsy moves and set this team up for it's next era
  17. Yes, everyone agrees on that, the toughness has got to come from regular players, but Hockey is all about momentum and as so many teams know a well timed fight by a regular roster player can sway the momentum, and I think you will start seeing some fight in the playoffs starting today
  18. Ohlund is an interesting story in that after several years in the league and not fighting he made a conscious decision halfway through his career that he needed it as part of his game (Probably with the big hits he was throwing he was sick of having guys come after him and expecting him to turtle) I was sitting right by the glass for his first fight, it was against Chris Kunitz who was with the Ducks at the time. Ohlund laid a monster hit (can't remember if it was on Kunitz or not) turned around and with the angriest face I'd ever seen him make yelled "Come on!" to no one in particular, he just wanted to fight SOMEONE and get his feet wet I guess, so Kunitz rolled up and....well, it was his first fight, didn't matter that he lost after that things were noticeably different for him, he fought maybe twice a year give or take but he never backed off again and on a couple of occasions went looking for the fight........you know I just realized something, the Iginla fight your talking about was in the playoffs no? at the end of a game? I seem to remember THAT was the tipping point for him, it was in the following preseason he started fighting, I may be remembering this wrong but I'm pretty sure that's the way it happened, anyway Ohlund's "Soft Swede" rep (and near Ulf Samuelsson, Vladamir Konstantinov dirty hitter rep) was gone over night, as soon as he started backing up his hits no one ever accused him of being dirty again, and he was always talked about as someone not to mess with by opposition commentators, he wasn't a great fighter by any means, but the way players treated him changed drastically.
  19. Or are they ALLOWED to might be a better question, we've become one of those borring stuffy "We have to stay out of the box" teams Why do you need to stay out of the box? no one taught you to kill penalties? Also, some would-be fighters might be worried that if things get rolling the'll be on thier own with no back up., that is NEVER a good feeling
  20. I don't remember Kesler hitting at all, he would irritate people with hacks and whacks but hitting? I don't remember that at all. And Gudbransson never has and never will be an NHL hitter, he doesn't have the skill, he is useless as an in game physical presence and only able to do anything after the whistle, he can't initiate only react, so people need to drop the idea that Gudbransson can do any more than push shove and threaten to kill people, once the game is being played, he has no idea what the hell is going on
  21. It's true that back in the day Linden, Courtnall, Adams all these guys would have one or two fights a year, back in the day nearly every Canuck would go if he had to, even Ronning who was really small had a reputation, not for fighting but for stickwork, if you came after him he would spear or slash you in a heartbeat, he HAD to or he never would have made the NHL at his size, Back then you were tested, EVERYONE was tested and if it was know you wouldn't defend yourself you were eaten alive, verry few player got a pass on that, and only real superstars got it: Gretzky, Turgeon, Craig Janney was know to be an assist machine when he came into the league so he got a body guard as well, and that was the other thing, if you had one of those guys he needed a body guard at all times, like Bure when he was assigned Gino, Bure was smart though and got his own reputation going with the Shane Churla elbow, people were careful comming up to hit Bure because if they didn't get knocked out with the Elbow then Gino was there to do the honors I laugh when I think what would have happened to Brad Marchand if Gino had been around......or anyone for that matter, Ronning would have broken his ankle with a slash It seems odd to me that we went into that regular season game with the Bruins with only DALE FRIGGING WEISE to fight back with, all due respect to Dale, who is a decent player and a tough guy, but he's not a great fighter and doesn't scare anyone But here's the kicker, you can't have those guys on the fourth line anymore, you need the toughness on the FIRST line the FIRST pairing because THOSE are the guys who are on the ice and define your team, I don't think you spend your top pick looking for toughness Virtannen is proving that, but from the 2nd round on, I wouldn't mind if Trev and Benning focused in on some guys who not only fight, but might actually SCARE some people, it's those guys that stop the other teams from picking on you like Boston and Toronto do to us And lastly, when you get these guys you don't hire a coach that blabs on and on: "Don't take penalties NEVER TAKE PENELTIES" I always say, penelties are to be killed not avoided, sometimes you have to turn the guys loose and they shouldn't be afraid to make a statement or benched when they do, I hope Green realizes that this team could use a couple of line brawls to repair it's reputation And BTW Linden was by no means a great fighter but he did a lot better than "getting face punched" He holds victories over Shaun Avery, Rob Ray (seriously, he also got the instigator and broke a knuckle on ray's face, defending Messier believe it or not) A draw with Keith Tkachuk and averaged a little over a fight a season in his career, he was like a Jannik Hansen type of fighter, didn't scare anyone and it wasn't his role but if the bell rang Linden was there. And I think that's the biggest problem with the team, not that we don't have some super heavyweight but that as a team there aren't enough players like Hansen or Linden, regular players who knew exactly when and where it was necessary for them to show up. The opposite of that would be the Kesler Bieksa type fighters, those guys (Especially Bieksa) ARE good fighters but it seemed they only dropped the gloves for selfish reasons, if someone pissed THEM off they fought, not the best way to establish team toughness, Wen I think about that elusive team toughness quality I think of two things as the best examples: Linden charging in to fight Rob Ray when he slashed Messier and Hansen going right after Kadri , Riley had just leveled him with a hip check but Kadri crossed the line with some other play (Can't remember) and Jannik went right after him, in both cases ZERO HESITATION, those are the kind of fights, regard less of outcome that builds your team a reputation, and makes the Marchands think twice Come to think about it, I can't EVER remember Beiksa or Kessler fighting to defend teamates, and they certainly never helped the twins out if they were being targeted, I remember several occasions the Twins were being abused and Beiksa did nothing, I remember Mark Methot knocking Henrik out of a game once and the out of town commentators were confused as to why Beiksa, who they had heard so much about, wasn't doing anything, those guys were useless as far as team toughness went
  22. Personally I think Grandland was a mirage, I don't think you'll see anything close to what he did this year again and I predict he's out of the league in 3 years I wanted to keep Gaunce anyway, but the injury report makes me feel it is definitly the right thing to do You need solid bottom 6 players you develop yourself in this league, the revolving door of minor league stiffs has to stop somewhere, let's take our time with this guy and see how far he can go, he our first round pick who has shown he can bring some qualities the team needs, I think in order to grow a solid team we need to keep guys like Gaunce too, Expose Grandland and let's keep OUR player
  23. Is this what you HOPE Alf, or do you have some insider info?
  24. My strategy is not in play here, I told Trev and Benning to quit calling last year and figure it out for themselves, My observation and projections are based on quantifiable data, things that exist in reality, like a player's objective performance as recorded by stats and the predictable actions of those around him based on how they really feel about his place going forward. Jake did not score in the minor leagues this year, that is not good for a #6 overall who was drafted to score in the majors. Historically speaking GM's are usually quick to rid themselves of their failures, if the disappointing player remains, so do the memories of that GM's mistake. That is why it is likely he will be moved, this totally depends on whether he has any fans out there amongst the league's GM's, do I personally think it's a good idea? I don't know, it seems hard to belive Jake can't play in the NHL with his physical gifts, speed and agression are hot commodities in today's game and I have to think there are many teams out there that would love to take Jake on as their "Kassian project" (Look what Zack did tonight, he's the toast of the town and in the copycat NHL that drives jake's value up this summer) But if Jake is going to stay in Vancouver, he needs to score, and based on his pro record so far, I don't know if people here realize how unlikely that is to happen, it could happen, but it is unlikley. It's not like this wasn't predicted either, things are playing out the way many experts said they would, a north south kid who is bigger and stronger than his competition can dominate in Jr playing a game that requires little thought. In the NHL that doesn't work, Benning gambled on Jake magically sprouting skills he had never displayed even in Jr, all the signs were there, the lack of assists the reliance on out muscling opposing players, "One trick pony" goal scoring, Jake was a flashing red light from the get go, I still don't know what Benning was thinking, I suppose he thought the team would stay competitive and if Jake only amounted to a bottom 6 energy guy he could still end up a fan favorite who helped the team sell tickets, but when the team went down the crapper, and he realized he didn't have the luxury of making anything but BPA picks it was too late. This having been said, he comes into camp this year with a shot at changing all of that, will he do it? The evidence says HELL NO, skill problems are one thing but put commitment and discipline problems on top of that and you have the perfect recipe for NHL failure.....still, the opportunity is there and Jake knows it, maybe we will see a whole new attitude come fall maybe he will prove the critics wrong. But I predict Vancouver and Buffalo will be working hard on a deal for Reinhart prior to the draft, although Reinhart has scored, Buffalo has not warmed up to him, fans are ok with the idea of trading him as he has become the scapegoat for team they feel should be better, if that deal takes place it's going to include Jake or Joulevi, maybe both, and based on our needs and the longterm recovery of this franchise, Reinhart is EXACTLY what we need, he would be a massive jump forward in thew rebuild, and remember Trev wanted him and tried to get him at the draft, he was quite open about that, Reinhart has been in our sights for as long as he's been in the league, this summer is the perfect storm, I think Buffalo will want Jolevi, and we will give him up along with Tanev and something else, with our current situation on defence we are actually in a possition to give both up and still have our young D core intact, I believe we will push hard for them to take Jake instead, but with Kane already in Buffalo it would seem odd for them to want another power forward with baggage, or maybe Jake will be Kane's replacement? As I'm sure Buffalo still want him gone and will leave him exposed to Vegas if necessary, Playing with Folingo would probably be the best role model Jake could ask for. In conclusion, I see a lot of fantasy projection on this thread, poster's making predictions not at all rooted in the reality of what is actually going on here, if one chooses to read the tea leaves it's a decent bet Jake doesn't make training camp, let alone the big club, not OUR big club anyway But time will tell.............
  25. What are you guys talking about? You're acting like some big barrier was crossed or something accomplished All I see are no results a lot of excuses and A LOT of hot air There is no substance to support this "Strong 2-way game" he developed, you're just parroting soundbites you've heard in the media, he's the same player that was sent down last fall And as for this prediction that he will slot in to the line up next year, do you really think they are going to keep a bottom 6 player they drafted 6th overall? Why doesn't Benning just wear a dunce cap to games from now on? He might as well if Jake is going to be plodding away in the bottom 6 which for a guy who couldn't crack 20 Pt.s in the AHL is about all you can expect, he is going to look like an idiot everytime Jake is on the ice. Jake needed to start SCORING this year in Utica, he 100% failed to do that or show any sign of being an offensive talent in ANY level of pro hockey, Virtanen will be gone by the fall, hopefully with Tanev and a pick for Reinhart most likely for someone else's 1st round blunder, in the hopes that switching problems will help people forget who's fault the problem was. Regaurdless, he needs to be dumped fast, because unless he were to start scoring right off the bat next year, his worth is about to take a major nosedive, there are still people who will gamble on him, and with his physical tools he probably can play on someones 4th line in the NHL, but there's still going to be hope on some GM's part that he might be more. Are St. Louis sick of Yakopov yet? Because that's a deal that would make sense, Lazar would have made sense as well, but that ship has sailed
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