Westcoasting
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So the consensus of pro scouting goes against what you think... Maybe you should become a scout!
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Where do you think he should have been picked?
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
lol yeah he's in because he sure played a lot of games didn't he... -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Good one! If only the guy had figured out how to win playoff games... -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
The HOF puts everyone in a different class based on awards... have you ever looked at who is in? Other than Cam Neely, Bernie Federko and Dino Ciccarelli everyone in there has an award either individually or as a team winning Cups. Go take a look at the list and explain how Lui fits in the Hall as a modern day player. He doesn't as the HOF currently exists. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Great post! Thank you -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
lol no i'm not grasping at anything, i just think the HOF voting is really messed up when it comes to goalies. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
It's nice to think that way but in reality it hasn't been that way. Maybe things will change... -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
lol you don't read well when you are flustered do you? I didn't put Fuhr anywhere, that is the where the HOF put him with the others. Why is Fuhr there and not others? lol none of us really know but you would have to think it's because of Stanley Cups. If Fuhr is in there because of things other than Stanley Cups and a Vezina, then why isn't there other goalies of that generation in there? -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Oh ok so Cory Schneider is the greatest goalie ever! lol see how numbers don't work. What all about all the other goalies over time how do you rank them in with their lower save percentage? Or do you have tunnel vision and only see the goalies in the last ten years to be the best? -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
lol well no you can't go by numbers alone because you can't compare that over history as the game has changed so much. Remember Hasek in the 90's? Now he is just average in today's numbers. Or putting numbers on Patrick Roy in the playoffs, it doesn't work but there has never been a better playoff goalie. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
hmmm.... using what criteria then? Or do you mean top 10 of his playing days? And how long have you watched hockey, i have watched since 1973 just for reference. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
This is exactly my point. I have no disrespect to Lui or any other goalie not in HOF. My point is that as of right now unless things change, i don't think he is going in as there are a bunch of goalies that should be in but are avoided. That is a reality. They hold goalies on a different level than a flashy forward or defensemen. Tom Barasso immediately comes to mind with 1 calder, 1 vezina, 1 jennings, 1 first team all star, 2 stanley cups... i think that should get someone in but as of now no. Mike Vernon is another. And let's be realistic too, Billy Smith and Grant Fuhr got in because of Stanley Cups for the most part. They don't compare to Patrick Roy or Hasek, it was they were on a winning franchise team. I don't agree but that is just the way it is. And the way it currently is, i don't see Lui getting in without changes to the thinking of HOF voting members. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
I agree but name a goalie other than Tretiak who is in the HOF based on a hockey career besides the NHL. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
But there is not one goalie without a Vezina or Stanley Cups in HOF are saying he will be the first? -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Ok so what goalies internationally should we compare him to? Tretiak? Better yet other than Tretiak name a HOF goalie that has been voted in on events not in NHL. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
And so with these facts he gets into the HOF? Here are the inductees from the last 30 years... Dominic Hasek 6 Vezinas, 2 Pearsons, 2 Harts, 3 Jennings, 6 first team all star selections and 2 Stanley cups Ed Belfour 1 Calder, 2 Vezinas, 4 Jennings, 2 first team all star selections and 1 Stanley cup Patrick Roy 3 Vezinas, 5 Jennings, 3 Conn Smythes, 4 first team all star selections and 4 Stanley Cups Grant Fuhr 1 Jennings, 1 Vezina, 1first team all star selection, and 5 Stanley Cups Billy Smith 1 Vezina, 1 Jennings, 1 conn Smythe, 1 first team all star selection and 4 Stanley Cups Roberto Luongo 1 Jennings see the difference? So you really think someone will put him in this same class of goalies?? He is more like Joseph than any of these goalies! -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Likewise if Joseph was on a time that were back to back president trophy winners or had been on a good team instead of his Edmonton years, he is in the same boat. Didn't watch hockey then? He was also a 3 time Vezina nominee just like Lui is. Their careers are vey similar other than Joseph's playoff record is a lot better with lesser teams at the time. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Here's the catch... Olympics, he only played in one, the other he was a backup. The one he played in (2010) he was not even best goalie of the tournament, that went to Ryan Miller who also was MVP of the whole tournament. So if it comes time to vote are they really going to take the olympics seriously for Lui? I somehow doubt it. Curtis Joseph is in the same boat with nothing notable in NHL awards and a better career percentage than Lui. There has barely been mention of him to the hall, not sure if they elect Lui on his twitter account personality maybe. Not once did Lui or Joseph receive a first team all star selection at year end, Lui did get second team three times. Now that's the media voting but a bunch of them also vote hall of fame. Not once was he or Joseph the best goalie in any one season. Goalies in the last 30 or 40 years elected all have multiple first team all star selections to their name. I don't see how he is going to get in unless things change drastically and a bunch of other goalies get in too. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Ok so you agree he is not going to get elected to HOF? Great goalie otherwise... just not one of the all time greats. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Not when you are talking about the HOF.... without a cup or multiple vezina trophies, no goalie has been inducted in a long time. I don't know why they hold the goalies to such excellence but they do. The bar is not nearly so high when they elect forwards or defensemen to the hall. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
And an awesome twitter account! -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
And just like Joseph... no major awards to his credit. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Both are plugs for that matter lol. -
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Westcoasting replied to gizmo2337's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Lol im not sure you would find an NHL'r that would agree with you on him being a plug! He certainly doesn't have the humour or character that Lui had though, that's for sure.