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I wouldn't go that far, in the final push, Boes and Garfield upped their value THANKFULLY! At the TDL they weren't worth very much but both turned it on so there's that, that could be a factor as well. This could turn out well for us yet, if we trade those 2 and the 11th, we could get D coming back so it might turn out to be a glitch, nothing more but management seems fully aware because of our horrible start with D dropping like flies, where as prior they got Lekk, where it needed to be a trade up or down for a D, although if he comes in lights out or just really good we could trade him for D, it's not like we don't have options is my point, no, not tons but enough to make some changes and build on them with depth.

Shite, good point, I forgot about the first gone next year for Hronek, Fack! But if 11th goes as a trade sweetener to make it happen and as long as we do ok in it for someone/s we need now and the future, I'm ok with that. Personally as far as JR and AL go, I was hoping they'd realize how bad this team is/always was, for simple lack of depth. It's one thing to have a great roster but failing to factor in depth due to injuries, sickness, whatever, is a never winning mind set, that's the real reason we've never had a cup here.

Personally I wouldn't be unhappy to trade Boes, Garland, and 11th for a top 4 D and a high end D prospect/s who is already in development and ready to move up to the big show given a chance. Shed some cap and get more depth, something to that effect..

Fair.. we need upgrades BUT they need to be on D but that's THE only scenario we trade that pick! imo anyway... For what it's worth. However let's hope the isles reallyyyyy suck next year! Dead last in the league! Wouldn't that be something?

Well the general rule of thumb is picking BPA, BUT if it's for position then that changes things, a LOT or if someone goes off the board and sees something in a player other teams have missed and is what their looking for in a player, obviously skill is a big factor but attitude and work ethic are there too as a factor that can help dictate a pick so who knows until it actually happens but kinda fun to see how scenarios play out. This season and next is a really important time for us and will set the tone for years to come, I just want to see depth and the farm NOT sold off for once, that shite doesn't work as we Canucks fans have seen quite enough of that since day 1.. it's time for the b.s. to end and have a "built" elite team with depth! Wouldn't that be a switch??!!

So now.. at 11th, who do we pick? that's a tough call, develop a forward at BPA and then trade him for D? Or look elsewhere for D prospects and keep the forward. Seems to me, we'll be lucky to end up with a D pick since good projected RHD might be scooped before we get a shot. At any rate we need to load up on D, not just for the next few years onward window but over the long haul because if there's a position we always need depth at, we all know that's D, it's not rocket science.

Oh you mistaked that it was a criticism, I thought it was funny actually, like what the F else are you going to say in his position? Nothing to do with criticism at all btw, just making that clear. The only thing I ever got on him a bit for was Schenn but not that bad because it could have been JR who made that idiot call to dump one of the best 3rd pairing guys with toughness we need more of on this team not less especially the way our D is usually heavily injured, it's happened a TON in the past with Elder, Salo, and Tanev. And that's not counting how bad we got it last season that basically cost us a playoff spot with losing Demko mixed in but losing so many D before we even got 5-10 games in, I thought THAT alone would make management see how shallow we are at that position and not keeping a player who would be needed in spades when we make the playoffs. The playoffs is all out war and if Schenn isn't a warrior then I don't know who is. However! Other than that, seems like AL gives a shite about the team and not just doing his job, I see he takes his job with pride involved so no I have no reason to be hating on him.

That's a loaded question, after the 5th draft spot it's all opinions from there on down to at least 12-13th since the talent seems to be that close. If it's us, it's tough, we need RHD and there's really only 2 that seem to stand out from the crowd but they may or may not be available but obviously the best player available because he can always be traded if it's a forward in a D swap I guess. So it being so close, Reinbacher or Pellikka are among the scarce D in the top 20 picks. Hard to know if picking either of them is picking up or down at 11th spot or if they'll even be there since we're not the only team after RHD. As usual the top 2 picks are for sure, Bedard and Fantilli but it always seems to go sideways after that in most drafts, so many different scouting reports and opinions, it's just too hard to know for sure the right draft order after the top 1-3 picks

Well it's to Chicago, and as much as I'd have liked Bed here, much like edm and McDavid, if McD gets injured, they're screwed, I really don't mind us not having that much cap in one player and Drais on top of that for Edm makes it double trouble, if Drais goes down, same deal, the rest of the roster is a lot lower tiered with 2 players with that much $ combined, too much risk. I'd rather have at least 3 players with that instead or 4 if it can be swung. Either 3-4 still drops the odds down of losing games and possibly a playoff spot because of it. Nah....

A guy posted this on Twitter with the caption "Very excited at 11th". by AL, so believable!!! Such a look of excitement! Wooooo!

I wonder if Brock would look good with a single racing stripe like that?

I doubt anyone except the media who probably hyped up Toc's suggestions to show up early to get in shape better etc, and someone passed it along. You know how that goes, ball gets rolling...

After the draft tonight, sucks BUT I'm surprised we didn't drop! Things are looking UP!!! Shrugs.. maybe.. maybe not..

Bettman is prolly scared this might help us win a few more games or something, can you imagine if Vancouver won a cup? He'd lose this $hit!

Can you imagine the uproar if they asked Flow to do that? Whoa! Riots in the streets! (again) This time not for losing.... Just Brock losing his Do..

You mean LaGongshow right?

Oh I'm sure if he could lawfully do that, he would have. Once a a$$hole, always a a$$hole.. it's a toss up for me who to hate more Bettman or Louie Eriksson.. But actually 50k? Wooooo that's gonna break FA for sure!! Bettman probably will take his buddies out dinner on weekends for awhile...

No that's Louie Eriksson after hearing he got traded... "Get out while you still can"

Sort of, I'm concerned with his wrist and back with no tough side to really speak of which we need more of a balance of both in a player. Plus we have a log jam of newbies needing shots at it and even if they aren't quite there then at least we know and can adjust plans accordingly but we have enough scoring punch to add more physical punch so losing a sniper soft-ish wouldn't hurt us much if at all and both players combined cap isn't exactly chump change right? And Myers is off the books next year so upgrades and raises along the way is a for sure consideration of dumping some cap in favour of younger group and not so many FA's because you can only win so many of those, some work, some don't, we've seen our share. And not to mention the injury luck this team has had over the years and the depth we lacked all this time, gets exposed and gets nowhere but we never seem to get that going that route instead of running a successful farm from draft on up, that a laughable wishful way of thinking. Idk anymore, why the F do people think anything else is going to work ffs??! This is the Canucks history in a bottle.. yeah fun to watch said roster with next to zero depth play great and win lots and make the playoffs only to be bounced out when injuries hit and no one to step in like the deep elite teams have.

Garland and Boeser will be gone, they just don't fit Toc's mold anyway but rest assured even if we have to retain some cap in either case it won't be a deal breaker. Everything sort of hinges on one thing, Bettman, usually full of $hit but in March he quoted that a cap increase would be considered for this season even though escrow hasn't been paid off yet since so many teams are in cap crunch. Anything would be helpful at this point but it could be b.s. too. However we need to trade for either picks or prospects coming back but we can't be doing the opposite as per usual, that's why we're in the state we're in to begin with, without depth, that's the failure part we've sucked at because management/ownership continued to listen and react to a lot stupid, (*shortsighted*), sell the farm fans/media for a one and done. Which brings us back to where we are today after a franchise history of trying that scenario that never worked instead of building a elite team with depth... THAT is the real reason for failure here in Vancouver

You know Alf, I wouldn't give up on OEL that quickly, he was a force at one point and if he can return to that form we could be ok, Myers doesn't have to be traded until we have a suitable replacement but not sacrificing is the key for both if something can be salvaged, like keeping Myers another season then add a FA or top prospect Ala a Boes or Garland trade. But we need to have a hard-nosed, big, smart D with some upside skill but a stay at home guy to compliment a smaller PMD like Hughes, if we can pull the same toughness and skill on each line to compliment that and have depth at it too. That would help us a TON Picture a faster Guddy who can play a notch up.. exactly what we need but so do a lot of teams, getting and developing younger ones like that is a ton easier. It seemed to me that what Benning was after when signing Guddy and Tryamkin but IF it had worked out and matched with PMD's, there's the answer as a lot of elite teams have pulled off in the past. Can it be done here?! Idk but without said tougher bigger D, anyone can just park themselves in the crease and screen, no one can stop what they can't see and we've been burned by that a LOT! It's time for US to have guys who can physically remove a forward from the crease on every pairing. Will it happen? Can JR n AL pull it off and depth it too? Probably not and not getting my hopes up but one can dream Mr Alien... Edit: OEL.. well maybe it's as simple as more time with Gonchar, idk but a OEL buyout would be painful in the long run but you know that I'm sure

Lmao I know hey? The venting part I mean, oh believe me I get that! If I started in on my thoughts about more than that and who kept the one and done show alive and well all these years? The Vancouver media and online media hacks (self proclaimed or otherwise) forgets the past and continues the b.s. of trading picks, prospects, for roster players with big names that may or may not work out here. Sometimes it worked but mostly we ended up on the losing side. Well not during the season but when depth was relies upon and you don't have any... Ruh roh... Man the lifeboats because this ship is sinking! Over and over again! Like wtf??? 40+ years of this and we keep repeating.. omfg! Lmao! *Pats self on the back* for keeping my blood pressure down!

Sounds like most of our rosters over the years, good enough to be really good but not good enough to be great, yet people were perfectly content to have a good "seasonal" team that got ousted 1st round in the post. However it started in the media and idiots who refuse to critically think for themselves followed happily along and trumpeted loud and long for more of the same. Well when we start to get into the post season again, I'm sure they'll be more than happy to keep it up but miserable we won't win a cup and cry even louder... Question is, will we ever actually build a team? Maybe, IF management ignores the fans and does it for ONCE in our lame history of repeat "the same ole"

Seriously? It was hardly just missing Demko, at the beginning of the year our D had massive amounts of injuries and our lack of team D showed from the forwards. Plus losing Mik made it even worse. However this is pretty much like every year, our lack of depth gets exposed like it always does when management caves to public opinion to get a better roster instead of building one with depth. Oh wait, a one and done Stanley cup isn't working.. Funny how that is, as usual... I fully expect it to happen again though, par for course around here, the golf course that is. Fans who think that will EVER work should just shut the F up or go cheer for the Coilers or Flamer-outs..

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