Vinny in Vancouver
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4 minutes ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:
Child support and family court is a touchy subject for me. My ex took me to the cleaners all cause she met an American online and tried moving My son to the states with him.
The minute I responded to her relocation application in court is when she started typing up affidavits about how "abusive I was".
And she won in court, twice, I lost my appeal.
But then covid happened and Trump shut down the border and all immigration to the US was halted and now here we are years later and my son still lives in Canada.
That was her karma
I'm sorry you had to go through that. I have a friend who is in the same boat as you - ex in the US trying to prevent the kids from coming back here. But child abuse, man. Tbh, my own first response to the original article was, "possibly nothing more than just a cash grab", but then I encountered the CBC article, and I was like, "crap, that's bad." Defenseless kids fearing for their lives. I didn't grow up in this country, and in my country, I got spanked with a leather belt more than a few times, but I never feared for my life. I love my Dad and always felt that the punishment I got was well-deserved for what I did.
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1 minute ago, Dazzle said:
This doesn't necessarily mean he's a child abuser though.
Oh definitely, this is not about that. A good chunk of the posts here have also been about the Aquilini's leadership and worthiness of being an owner. So this is relevant to that conversation.
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Wow. Just saw the following post - I didn't realize the Aquilinis have had a lot of controversy over the years:
1983 - Slumlords who raised rents by up to 100% on tenants causing homeless seniors. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/flashback-15-years-ago-25-years-ago/article17975765/
2006 - Screwed over Gaglardi to buy the team. https://thehockeynews.com/news/francesco-aquilini-purchases-remaining-50-per-cent-of-canucks-from-john-mccaw
2011 - Charged with diverting river water to their farms unlawfully, killing thousands of fish. https://www.pressreader.com/canada/vancouver-sun/20110310/282690453698971
2011, 2012, and 2018 - Fined for having unsafe transport vehicle for temp. farm workers. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-canucks-owners-fined-again-for-unsafe-vehicle-at-family-s-berry-operation-1.5136249
2017 - #2 biggest political lobbyists in the province. https://commonground.ca/big-money-corrupts-politics/
2017 - Stiffed their Google partner on a contract and lost the subsequent lawsuit. https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/aquilini-investment-group-ordered-to-pay-us600000-for-contract-breach
2017 - Two kids of workers at their vineyard died after a fire, where the mobile homes allegedly had no smoke detectors and improper electrical. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/aquilini-companies-deny-negligence-in-suit-over-deaths-of-2-children-at-their-u-s-vineyard-1.5331369
2019 - Cheated on their taxes, declaring just 51k in income per brother, before being reassessed at $11.5m/each. https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/aquilini-family-lose-appeal-in-federal-tax-court-to-offset-capital-gains-in-deal-to-buy-nhl-team
2019 - Stole wages from temp. workers on their farms. Denied them water breaks. https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2019/05/28/at-aquilini-owned-blueberry-farm-we-lived-the-saddest-part-of-our-lives-says-one-temporary-foreign-worker-of-15-who-allege-poor-working-conditions-cramped-accommodations-intimidation-and-threats.html
2019 - Fell behind on child support. https://bc.ctvnews.ca/owner-of-vancouver-canucks-taken-to-court-over-child-support-1.4382959
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7 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:
Pretty damn hard to give evidence that you didn't abuse someone.
The burden of proof is an the accuser as they would have evidence like photos and medical records.
That's what I thought so at first, but there are ways - character witnesses showing how well you took care of your kids, knowing the timeline of when the alleged assault happened and proving you're not there, lie detector test, getting call records of the alleged time when the child supposedly phoned the Mom, etc.
Oh, and in this case, you have multiple accusers corroborating each other. If it were only the wife or only one of the kids, then maybe you give him the benefit of the doubt, but all of them agreeing on the same incident?
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1 hour ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:
What a joke lol. Child support for adult children. University or no university. Pathetic.
Guys probably forked up hundreds of millions over the years and it will never be enough for a scorned $ingle mother
Come on, man. What about the part about not giving any evidence denying the child abuse allegations in the affidavit - is that a joke too? Maybe you should go back to your Twitter account, Francesco?
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Can we all just agree that if the detailed abuse allegations are true, then Francesco Aquilini deserves the worst? To the pro-Aquilini crowd, are you guys ok with this?
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38 minutes ago, Jaimito said:
I think you are thinking of Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Sean Avery: Martin Brodeur as well?
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5 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:
sure but what university field requires a student to pay 48k out of their own pocket?? how often can a student in university afford a 48k computer?? those are more for companies and rarely for individual let alone a student.
No university would require that (I hope), but if I really want to go crazy (e.g., if I'm in the medical field and want to have the best possible chance), I can easily accumulate tens of thousands of software cost. It's pretty crazy how expensive some of these software are - especially computer graphics-related, animation-related.
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9 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:
While the allegation are serious and may or may not be true, I’m leaning towards FA. I find it hard to believe a guy random goes into a kids room while they are sleeping to beat on them till they awake nor if they threw a 5 year old across the room and almost beat them to death like they claimed they wouldn’t end up in a hospital or have police involved? Why didn’t these allegation come out earlier and only comes when they needed more money? And really? 48000 computer? What kind of computer cost 48000? That is required for a university student?
I mean if the allegations are true then he should be ousted, but in my personal opinion it seems a bit exaggerated and unbelievable. Let see what the court thinks
Some very specialized software can easily cost you a ton of money. It all depends on what field you're in.
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Just now, KelownaCanucksFan said:
Fair point, however IF it is as bad as stated why weren’t the cops called? If they were where’s the file number to back up their statements. It’s really fishy that this is coming up so many years after the divorce, during which allegations like this are so valuable to her and her lawyer (monetarily) her lawyers definitely would have asked during their meetings prior to taking that case if there was physical abuse.
like I said in my other comment IF these allegations are true and have been fully vetted then the whole family is poison and needs to sell the team, there needs to be a thorough investigation done, I’m sure the nhl is calling investigators tonight, to make sure that these allegations are proven or disproven.
I understand that time argument as well. The best guess I can offer is that the Mom wanted to protect the kids (they were still so young in 2013) or she was scared of what the Dad could do to them.
I'm sure Gary Bettman (who used to be in the NBA) is very concerned about this - as can be seen by the intense reaction, this is a bad look for the NHL ownership club. Unlike what happened with the Phoenix Suns where there were many witnesses this case is a bit different since it's a family affair. So how far any independent investigator can get will depend on the cooperation of all the parties involved. We should get a statement from him soon.
Unfortunately, our players and coaches are about to get asked a lot of questions about this. I suspect that a lot of them are privately already demanding an explanation from Francesco - who probably is denying the accusations. I expect that those players who have doubts will be affected by this, unfortunately, in their on-ice performance as that's just human nature when the accusations about your owner are this bad.-
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Just now, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:
What about the fans who just want to make the playoffs and hopefully eventually a cup
You've underscored my point - there are fans of different stripes here. It's not an easy decision for the mods, I would think.
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6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
The Virtanen thread was shut down, the Mitchell thread was shut down and this one will be as well. No it shouldn't be open to commentary from fans who already have declared him guilty, want him to sell the team and rot in prison for life. This isn't even a criminal case, it's a case about child support payments for 3 adult children...
How about fans who want to just sweep this under the rug?
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10 minutes ago, KelownaCanucksFan said:
Yea I had a cousin get divorced, sweetest nicest guy you could ever meet, never heard him swear or raise his voice, definitely never physical with his family (didn’t believe in spanking at all) he was divorcing his wife because of her cheating on him and during the proceedings you would have sworn he was hitler the way they made him out to be, it wasn’t until the mom was charged with child abuse a few years later (for beating the kids daily, she took it out on the boys because they must’ve reminded her of him) that they admitted to lying in the court because the mom, her lawyers and a therapist told them to, even then it took 2 years for him to get full custody. Family court is so anti men it’s sickening, and bad for the kids
How old were the kids when they admitted to lying? In this case, the kids are already adults and are doing well mentally and have promising futures. In fact, it sounds like the eldest actually is no longer able to get support money so money is no longer a factor. So the coercion excuse doesn't seem like it holds much water here, no?
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18 minutes ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:
Oh please. My grandpa beat my dad and uncle. Literally beat them.
U think they pressed charges?
This sounds like momma is trying get more money out of the billionaire.
Soft generation is soft
I think I just found Francesco's burner account here at CDC...
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4 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:
You, sir, have a pile of rocks for brains.
Not the brains - it's the moral compass that has some serious issues. For his sake, I hope he gets some help.
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2 minutes ago, Jaimito said:
Well, a lot of things were OK then. Child labor, child marriage etc. Blacks and women couldn't vote, Japanese Canadians got sent to camps etc. But I agree with the OP that the young generation now are soft.
I think you're mis-reading what the OP posted. The OP clearly is saying that people right now not being able to deal with fathers beating their kids (who can't defend themselves, I may add) is a sign of softness. I'm hoping you won't agree with that view.
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1 minute ago, Odd. said:
Wtf…
I mean why would the kid lie. It’s their freaking father. It has to be true.
Fire Aquilini may have some truth to it
You actually underscored my point. What I'm saying is that there are only 2 ways that Aquilini comes out clean on this one, and they're both extremely low probability.
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1 minute ago, King Heffy said:
If this was, for example, the owner of your favourite restaurant, would you still eat there?
If there's legs behind this, that's the right thing to do, and there are other teams to support.
I followed what happened with the Phoenix Suns this past few weeks, and the players were so disgusted with the owner that it would have been hard for them to play well this season for that owner. If I were part of the Canucks organization, as a parent, it would be hard to work for a guy who did that kind of abuse that seems to be being corroborated by all the kids and still continues to deny it.
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19 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Another thread that needs to be shut down because of "allegations" from an ex-wife whose net worth is over $40 million.
Surprisingly, none of this ever came up in the divorce trial where the parenting of the children along with writing the ex-wife a large cheque were the two main items on the agenda.
Why didn't this issue come up in the divorce? If he was beating his kids when they were young surely the ex-wife would have let the court know this in 2013 when the kids were teenagers, and they were dividing up the custody of the children. Why now? And what does that even half to do with not paying child support when they are in university? Seems odd that he stops paying for whatever reason and now he's an alleged child abuser from 20 years ago.
Unbelievable...
Allegations seem like they're directly from the kids - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/canucks-onwer-child-support-payments-1.6598208 . One of the kids wrote an affidavit letter.
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Ok, I did some more reading and there's more information here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/canucks-onwer-child-support-payments-1.6598208
It's Aquilini's kids that are alleging the abuse and not the ex-wife. Here's an affidavit letter from one of Aquilini's children:
"The respondent [Francesco Aquilini] then forced all of us upstairs into our individual rooms, went to each room to physically abuse each child. I saw the respondent throw another child — at that time five years old — across the room. I locked myself in my bathroom. The respondent broke the lock and was throwing his body at the door to come in and beat me. I called the claimant [Tali'ah Aquilini] and asked her to hurry home, stating I was scared the respondent would kill me, and I was worried that he had already killed my younger siblings."
So unless there's something wrong with the kid's recollection or the kid's lying, that's pretty bad.
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59 minutes ago, JM_ said:
hard to say what will happen, but maybe that's a good idea? dunno its so hard to know whats really going on.
Its a bit odd that all the kids don't seem to want to be near him tho, that does trouble me.
That part above is probably what gives the abuse accusations the most credibility...actually, see my post below. The kids are the ones alleging the abuse, and they have an affidavit.
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Praying for Brock to come back 100%.
Man, Canucks Luck couldn't wait for the regular season to start...-
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1 hour ago, Fred65 said:
It's tough to trade Horvat for his face off abilities alone. It might depend on a prospect showing enough to gamble on a trade even then ......
No one has stood out so far to be that future centre. If there's going to be a trade I suspect it will be a winger
As an aside, I just checked and last year, Bo's was 57% - 8th best.
JT Miller's faceoff percentage was 54.1% - 24th best. Not bad.
Btw, surprised that Auston Matthews actually did pretty well. Influence of Malhotra, perhaps?
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2 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:
Anaheim
Arizona
Buffalo
Chicago
Columbus
Minnesota
Montreal
Nashville
New Jersey - we'll see what Hughes does
Ottawa
Philly- couturier out for season
Seattle
Vegas
I understand why you would think that way, but I think if you go to most of those teams' forums and tell them that you'll trade Bo for their 1C, you would get shot down.
No one has stood out so far to be that future centre. If there's going to be a trade I suspect it will be a winger
'Serious' allegations of child abuse levelled against Canucks owner Francesco Aquilini
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I guess we'll have to disagree on that. I think your profit-only view is a low standard for an owner of a professional sports team. Gary's old co-workers in the NBA would agree with this.