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I have a string of more modern players to vote for now. First up, the greatest power forward as a Canuck, Todd Bertuzzi (and also my favourite player as a kid). I'm nominating the Superpest, the late Andre Boudrias.
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Gradin won this last one, but only edged out Edler by four votes. Lumme dominated the nominations so he was added as a voting option. Reminder to both vote and nominate another player to be added as a voting option! For those of you who haven't seen these kinds of polls before, the way they work is you vote for who you think is the greatest/top Canuck at the position. As for what is meant by "Greatest" or "Top", I will leave that to each individual. I have my own interpretations, but others may define it differently. Worth noting, that I do want to keep this to their tenures with Vancouver and as players, thus a player like Neely would only be considered for his Vancouver time and guys like Quinn and Crawford would only be considered for their playing careers, not their coaching careers. The List: #1 - H. Sedin #2 - D. Sedin #3 - T. Linden #4 - P. Bure #5 - M. Naslund #6 - S. Smyl #7 - R. Luongo #8 - K. McLean #9 - T. Gradin
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youth versus vets direction benning should go
-AJ- replied to canuktravella's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
Like I said, age is a factor for me too. Miller isn't much older so I'd hesitate to call him a veteran as well, but at 27, he's definitely starting to enter that territory. At 34, Beagle's been around a while and of course his minutes will be a bit lower given his usual 3rd/4th line usage. I wouldn't necessarily call Horvat fresh-faced young gun, but I'd hesitate to classify him as a veteran at just 24 (almost 25). He's sort of in-between for me. Either way, it's just semantics at the end of the day. -
youth versus vets direction benning should go
-AJ- replied to canuktravella's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
Being a Captain doesn't necessarily make one a veteran in my view. Was Yzerman a veteran when he was named Captain at 21? What about Landeskog when he was given the 'C' by the Avalanche at the wise old age of 19? I'm not denying that Jake is a great player, but since when does good play make one a veteran? You're talking about two entirely different things with Virtanen. He is a good player, but I wouldn't say he's a veteran. -
youth versus vets direction benning should go
-AJ- replied to canuktravella's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
Sure, they're not rookies, but "vets"? Just because someone has played a few years, doesn't mean they're "veterans", at least not by my definition of the word. I'd say a combination of age and experience would make a veteran. I wouldn't call anyone under the age of 26 a veteran. Bo turns 25 in about a week. -
And his record of 55 assists in one year by a defenseman still stands today.
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youth versus vets direction benning should go
-AJ- replied to canuktravella's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
I wouldn't call Virtanen or Horvat vets. Still, this post implies you do agree in that a good mix is helpful. Your thread title implies that you want to go hard one way or the other, so it misled me evidently. -
Voting for Gradin again and nominating Lumme once again.
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McLean won the last one by a sizable margin, but the votes are definitely more spread out now. Don Lever barely edged out Lumme in the nominations, so he was added as a voting option. Reminder to both vote and nominate another player to be added as a voting option! For those of you who haven't seen these kinds of polls before, the way they work is you vote for who you think is the greatest/top Canuck at the position. As for what is meant by "Greatest" or "Top", I will leave that to each individual. I have my own interpretations, but others may define it differently. Worth noting, that I do want to keep this to their tenures with Vancouver and as players, thus a player like Neely would only be considered for his Vancouver time and guys like Quinn and Crawford would only be considered for their playing careers, not their coaching careers. The List: #1 - H. Sedin #2 - D. Sedin #3 - T. Linden #4 - P. Bure #5 - M. Naslund #6 - S. Smyl #7 - R. Luongo #8 - K. McLean
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youth versus vets direction benning should go
-AJ- replied to canuktravella's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
I think it's a false dichotomy. You need both to be successful. -
It looks like Lever will be the first primarily 70s Canuck nominated, by for my money, Boudrias is the man I would want in first.
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I actually agree with you here. Even though Juice hasn't been voted in yet, his nomination here suggests he's probably going to get in around 15-20. I personally don't have him until the late 20s and have both Snepsts and particularly Lidster a fair bit higher.
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Voting for the skilled Swedish centreman, Thomas Gradin. Nominating Lumme again.
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Given the relative landslide of the last one, I would have ended it earlier, but I was busy working. Luongo dominated with about 60% of all the votes. Bieksa had the most nominations with 7 and was added as a voting option. It will eventually be needed, so I'll mention the tie-breaker for a tie in nominations is a random number generator. Reminder to both vote and nominate another player to be added as a voting option! For those of you who haven't seen these kinds of polls before, the way they work is you vote for who you think is the greatest/top Canuck at the position. As for what is meant by "Greatest" or "Top", I will leave that to each individual. I have my own interpretations, but others may define it differently. Worth noting, that I do want to keep this to their tenures with Vancouver and as players, thus a player like Neely would only be considered for his Vancouver time and guys like Quinn and Crawford would only be considered for their playing careers, not their coaching careers. The List: #1 - H. Sedin #2 - D. Sedin #3 - T. Linden #4 - P. Bure #5 - M. Naslund #6 - S. Smyl #7 - R. Luongo
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Any player who played a game for the Canucks at any point in time is eligible.
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It'd be great if we had both Robson and Shorty compile a list. That covers all 50 years of Canuck hockey.
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I was making a joke. VC said he was voting for Smyl, but he's already been voted in as 6th. The joke was that VC liked him so much that he wanted him at both 6th and 7th.
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Steamer is great for sure, but I'm not sure he's good enough to get 6th and 7th! Also, I agree, the top 6 have so far been the same as mine and if Lu gets in, it will continue to be the same (in a slightly different order). It does seem like it's after that where the field opens up a bunch and gets particularly interesting.
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Voting for Bobby Lu and nominating Jyrki Lumme.
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This last one was the closest one yet by far, but Smyl barely edged out Luongo by four votes. Morrison won the nomination game, but it certainly wasn't a landslide--several others were pretty close. Morrison was added as a voting option. Reminder to both vote and nominate another player to be added as a voting option! For those of you who haven't seen these kinds of polls before, the way they work is you vote for who you think is the greatest/top Canuck at the position. As for what is meant by "Greatest" or "Top", I will leave that to each individual. I have my own interpretations, but others may define it differently. Worth noting, that I do want to keep this to their tenures with Vancouver and as players, thus a player like Neely would only be considered for his Vancouver time and guys like Quinn and Crawford would only be considered for their playing careers, not their coaching careers. The List: #1 - H. Sedin #2 - D. Sedin #3 - T. Linden #4 - P. Bure #5 - M. Naslund #6 - S. Smyl
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Connor Bedard granted exceptional status by WHL
-AJ- replied to Baer.'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
If he's turning 15 this summer, wouldn't he be turning 17 in 2022? That would mean he would be 17 years old for the entire year of his first pro season. -
Smyl: 5'8" Kyte: 6'5" Rick Rypien who could score. What a guy.
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Connor Bedard granted exceptional status by WHL
-AJ- replied to Baer.'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
Never heard of him, but unfortunately/fortunately, we'll probably be too good to draft him in 3 years. -
Great points--Boudrias and Lever were definitely more crucial to the 70s Canucks than Morrison was to the early 2000s teams. I think another point for me would be that although Boudrias and Lever were the best players on the 70s teams, the 70s teams also weren't very good, with the exception of the 1974-75 team. I'd argue Morrison had to compete with much better players for the title of best player than either Boudrias or Lever did. Ronning is an interesting case, as the only reason I don't have him higher is that he didn't play too many games as a Canuck relative to some other top candidates--his numbers are very strong though. I think in the end, I place a lot more value on longevity than most voters, hence why I have guys like Bure, Mogilny, Ronning, and even many of our current young guys (Petey, Hughes, etc.) lower than most people probably do. I appreciate that everyone has different values when it comes to the greatest Canucks of all-time, which is why I left interpretation open to each person. I do have Lever and Boudrias fairly close to Morrison (especially Boudrias) in the end, so I'm really splitting hairs between a few ranks on my list.
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Also worth considering the eras in which these guys played. Lever and Boudrias both had their career best years with Vancouver in 1974-75, when teams averaged 3.43 goals per game. Morrison had his best years in 2001-02 and 2002-03, when the average team scored 2.62 and 2.65 goals-per game. Different eras factor in. I will grant you that the captaincies are relevant, but Boudrias was only captain for one year and Lever for just two seasons. All that said, I do appreciate that we have apologists for the guys from the 70s--I was worried they'd be left behind in this list.