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Strange as it sounds? I prefer a athlete retiring, than actually raking in millions to sit on IR. For portions of contacts never intended to be honored by either party in the first place... The real problem was that such deals were ever legal? If the cap had any credibility! After the fact it still stings that we will be slapped with cap hits, when others worked around it. But Vancouver, like all teams signed the new CBA. Nucks management accepted that potential fate. Now, as fans, we have to eat it too... I think Lou was a great goalie for us. But unlike Edler, he only hung out when we overpaid the sh!t out of him. Gave him tools to jack us for what he wanted after he took our money. And was bailing, using every method possible, to return to Florida. I believe he always felt he had the right to return to Florida. That's what he paid his agent to get in that pact before he agreed. Did not intend to stay here, ever, in good faith. In hindsight, I wish we had used Lou's money on better depth & D. Unapologetically in hindsight, on deals without NTC's for others. I respect that he stayed a great goalie and team mate when his heart was elsewhere. But I also have as much loyalty for him, as he had for us. Too many sour grapes for me! That all I got on Lou.
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Strange as it sounds? I prefer a athlete retiring, than actually raking in millions to sit on IR. For portions of contacts never intended to be honored by either party... The real problem was that such deals were ever legal? If the cap had any credibility. It still stings that we will be slapped with cap hits, when others worked around it. But Vancouver, like all teams signed the new CBA. Nucks management accepted that potential fate. Now, as fans, we have to eat it too... I think Lou was a great goalie for us. But unlike Edler, he only hung out when we overpaid the sh!t out of him. Gave him tools to jack us for what he wanted after he took our money. And was bailing, using every method possible, to return to Florida. I believe he always felt he had the right to return to Florida. Did not intend to stay her in good faith. I respect that he stayed a great goalie and team mate when his heart was elsewhere. But I also have as much loyalty for him, as he had for us. Too many sour grapes for me!
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2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Canuck Surfer replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I did the sums previously. Round by round analysis including players selected. See below, I'm not happy with it. Its not that it is an ''anti D'' movement. But we have not drafted in proportion to holes to fill. Im entitled to my opinion.' Skip the manure narrative. Whats manure IMO is believing Rafferty & Teves, guys who were not good enough at 18 to make NCAA teams? Never mind be drafted. Are going to be good enough at 24 to replace an effective drafting policy. They did not make the NCAA till 20. We did not score premium college UFA's. Another Troy Stecher signing & I would be happy. Teves scored 7 points in the NCAA the same year Stecher was a top pair PMD & scored 29 as a National Champ. Raffert is a little better. Who was the third college UFA D this summer BTW? -
2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Canuck Surfer replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Chad Krys was drafted in the 2knd round. Ian Mitchell among the last picks of the second round. Carlsson the 4th round Galvas the 5th round. And to be fair > I lumped each roughly within other guys draft levels. And this really all that is at odds. We disagree on this point. My concern is simple. I believe D is an area of concern in our prospect pool. And we did not draft any D. You think its fine. -
2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Canuck Surfer replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Juolevi, then Woo, then possibly Rathbone are our D likely to have 200 game plus careers. Rathbone also has upside, if he does make it. Low floor, high ceiling. Rathbone could end of being quite exciting. .For clarity, that's just my opinion. Brisbois also a fair chance. Mid floor, not that high a ceiling. Teves, Rafferty are, IMO, likely to be high end pieces for our AHL squad. Call ups when we have injuries. Lucky to hit 100 games, if they do. Rather than low end chance for our NHL squad. But they could surprise. Sautner will probably be in same boat with a low ceiling. Chatfield same, might score some when he does get callups. Compare with Chicago? Owning at least 3 guys, in attributes of talent, style of play as well as results like Rathbone; Khrys, Carlsson, Galvas. Two guys at least as exciting, one more advanced, as Juolevi in Jokiharju, and Boqvist. Two guys probably more exciting and advanced than Woo in Mitchell & Beaudin. All of these guys are performing at a level with Teves and Rafferty, at 3 to 5 years younger age. Which suggests a great deal more upside than our depth guys. So much depth, they passed on Bowen Byram. Koekkoek a similar player to Brisbois, I'd rather have Brisbois there > 3 years younger. Chicago invested both early & late draft picks. On an ongoing basis to have one of the best D cores among prospect pools. I don't buy that we can ignore drafting D because we signed some 24 y ear old college guys. -
2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Canuck Surfer replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Fair point. I suppose you see the 1st round pick outgoing, and overreact. I did anyway. I'm still nervous about a ''go for it'' mentality. But it appears we are, so I guess because I am a fan, I'm going to have to get on board... -
2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Canuck Surfer replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Miller was a 9 point increment in the standings investment. I believe it will accomplish that as you do. Add a UFA D and we are a play off team IMO. You also have to have the bank account to pay for all the required pieces. Its not that he wont be useful or was not a good target. Or that we paid an unfair price. We just had not saved enough (assets) in our bank account that it was a good time to invest in Miller. I worry we will struggle to support the play off team, with enough, and enough high quality prospects, to push us from play off team, to contender. I think Miller, paid for in assets, futures, was a year too early to jump in so hard. Podkolzin, Hoglander, Juolevi, Madden, Woo, Lind, Brisbois, Lockwood, Rathbone, Utunen is my own top ten prospect list ranking. It could have used a 12th overall next year. We're spending our free cap dollars now. Not next year, or the year after. Why not, we wont have a pick? That spend will be exhausted. Is that prospect pool enough to push the team into being a contender in the years following? edit, where would DiPietro fit, and who would fall out of top ten? Or will he get traded? -
2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Canuck Surfer replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
You have to draft enough D if you expect to have them in your system in adequate talent & proportion. Drafting no D in 8 picks is among the most irresponsible things I can imagine. Its going to set us back. Bennings 6 year draft record with D; 1) 1st round, 2 players Hughes & Juolevi in 6 years. I'm happy with that. 2) 2knd round, 1 player, Jett Woo. Dangerous track record. No wonder we don't have a ready supply lining up to join our roster. 3) 3rd round, 2 guys, Brisbois & Tryamkin. Actually pretty good. 2 in 5 is a good ration & appears at least one possibly two NHL calibre guys. 4) 4th round, 1 Guy, Rathbone. Also appears a hit, but 1 in 6, if in rebuilding there must be a way of acquiring a few extra 4th rounders so we can hit more often. 5) 5th round, 3 Gunnarsson, Forlsing & Utunen. Only round where we exceed the natural demand for players. 2 out of 6 on ice are D. Good picks in Utunen & Forsling. 6) 6th and 7th round 3 guys, Tate Olsen, Mackenzie Stewart, Matt Brassard. We are really relying on some late round hits, in guys like Forsling, Utunen & Rathbone, to be part of our core, #4 & 5 D. And we need virtually a 100% success rate in the guys drafted in the 1st 3 rounds. If you believe in building by the draft? Instead we are signing 24 year old college UFA's. 11 players into 42 possible picks, 6 of them in late rounds. The odds of getting top 4 D from late picks is poor. Forsling, as an example, ''made it.'' But he's playing the 6th D role in Chicago. And appears he will be pushed out of their system by higher draft picks emerging. A 200 game career is still a solid accomplishment for a 5th round pick? Hutton, a Gillis 5th rounder, appears he will have a better career. But is not a difference maker. This was a year we could have loaded a weaker D prospect pool because we had 8 picks. The real reason Benning was signing 24 year old free agents, was because we had not invested enough in recent years. Its a stopgap & will repeat itself. -
2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Canuck Surfer replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Sure did. In terms of the odd's I spoke to? A 24 year old college free agent, as Benning signed a couple, is already well advanced in their development compared to draft aged guys. More likely to be NHL players. And who's development has passed guys originally better than them. But contribution guys if we're lucky. Players originally undrafted are extremely rarely, if ever, the types of world class athletes that are game defining, game breaking talent. If they were, they would have been signed at age 20 or 21. Teves and Rafferty were also not the most sought after college UFA's. They were not good enough to be college players at 18, which is why they are graduating at 24. They are there to provide an alternative game style in our system, as roster options to Brisbois & Sautner. More likely, add a game style we want to implement in the NHL, also on our farm team. So prospects developing can play the same system in the AHL. I don't think they will be as impactful as Tanev, or even Stecher. Who have become core, and in Tanev's case an important player. The odd's of them being a Rafalski, who becomes a mature age find, undersized PMD that becomes a hall of famer? Are next to, in fact below sub zero. It is among the dumbest things I have heard from our management group. It was a cop out statement. They also said they specifically targeted size size and players that are hard to play against in the draft. From my take, they got away from BPA because they had an agenda. And it sorta caught them with their pants down by the time they made all their draft selections. -
I don't disagree at all. With Miller its a blueprint balanced line But there is an obvious counterpoint, even two. With world class talent, and out of this world agility, Panarin would help the line < Panarin / Pettersson / Boeser > craft its own identity. And the team with it a style of play. In basketball terms a fastbreaking, full pressure team. Always on the fly, with constant movement at speed. Defensively & offensively. Petey very good at this defensively. Tampa does this with some its lines. Chicago as well, including in championship years. And teams cannot guard them. They do have a style of play that takes risks, and has match up issues? Creates turnovers for & against. But owning more talent & speed, the law of averages says the more possessions and speed, open space, that can be created? The more likely your uber talented threesome outscore opposition in a track meet. The old Oilers of the 80's as well, and Pittsburgh have used this game style. And we drafted Coffee Hughes to help turbocharge such a game style. A second counter point is that Miller & Boeser for Pettersson does not flank him with that world class speed. Miller has NHL speed, uses it well. But is not a speed ''as a weapon'' player. It does provide three wicked possession game players? And add's a glue guy to fore check, hit the corners, punish opposing D. In my own interpretation? That fits a Horvat line, an improved version of Pearson to play with them. With an addendum that Boeser himself, nor Pettersson for that matter, don't have any fear of work rate, or hard area's. Boeser is approaching power forward size, does a great job protecting the puck and playing in tight. Adding fore check pressure, and getting more into puck battles a natural progression I'm sure coaches are working with him on also regardless. We know Benning wants a D in UFA. Adding a mid priced free agent, say Zucarello, might help accomplish both. That would be a good summer.
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I don't disagree at all. With Miller its a blueprint balanced line But there is an obvious counterpoint, even two. With world class talent, and out of this world agility, Panarin would help the line < Panarin / Pettersson / Boeser > craft its own identity. And the team with it a style of play. In basketball terms a fastbreaking, full pressure team. Always on the fly, with constant movement at speed. Defensively & offensively. Petey very good at this defensively. Tampa does this with some its lines. Chicago as well, including in championship years. And teams cannot guard them. They do have a style of play that takes risks, and has match up issues? Creates turnovers for & against. But owning more talent & speed, the law of averages says the more possessions and speed, open space, that can be created? The more likely your uber talented threesome outscore opposition in a track meet. The old Oilers of the 80's as well, and Pittsburgh have used this game style. And we drafted Coffee Hughes to help turbocharge such a game style. A second counter point is that Miller & Boeser for Pettersson does not flank him with that world class speed. Miller has NHL speed, uses it well. But is not a speed ''as a weapon'' player. It does provide three wicked possession game players? And add's a glue guy to fore check, hit the corners, punish opposing D. In my own interpretation? That fits a Horvat line, an improved version of Pearson to play with them. With an addendum that Boeser himself, nor Pettersson for that matter, don't have any fear of work rate, or hard area's. Boeser is approaching power forward size, does a great job protecting the puck and playing in tight. Adding fore check pressure, and getting more into puck battles a natural progression I'm sure coaches are working with him on also regardless. We know Benning wants a D in UFA. Adding a mid priced free agent, say Zucarello, might help accomplish both. That would be a good summer.
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I don't disagree at all. With Miller its a blueprint balanced line But there is an obvious counterpoint, even two. With world class talent, and out of this world agility, Panarin would help the line < Panarin / Pettersson / Boeser > craft its own identity. And the team with it a style of play. In basketball terms a fastbreaking, full pressure team. Always on the fly, with constant movement at speed. Defensively & offensively. Petey very good at this defensively. Tampa does this with some its lines. Chicago as well, including in championship years. And teams cannot guard them. They do have a style of play that takes risks, and has match up issues? Creates turnovers for & against. But owning more talent & speed, the law of averages says the more possessions and speed, open space, that can be created? The more likely your uber talented threesome outscore opposition in a track meet. The old Oilers of the 80's as well, and Pittsburgh have used this game style. And we drafted Coffee Hughes to help turbocharge such a game style. A second counter point is that Miller & Boeser for Pettersson does not flank him with that world class speed. Miller has NHL speed, uses it well. But is not a speed ''as a weapon'' player. It does provide three wicked possession game players? And add's a glue guy to fore check, hit the corners, punish opposing D. In my own interpretation? That fits a Horvat line, an improved version of Pearson to play with them. With an addendum that Boeser himself, nor Pettersson for that matter, don't have any fear of work rate, or hard area's. Boeser is approaching power forward size, does a great job protecting the puck and playing in tight. Adding fore check pressure, and getting more into puck battles a natural progression I'm sure coaches are working with him on also regardless. We know Benning wants a D in UFA. Adding a mid priced free agent, say Zucarello, might help accomplish both. That would be a good summer.
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I don't disagree at all. With Miller its a blueprint balanced line But there is an obvious counterpoint, even two. With world class talent, and out of this world agility, Panarin would help the line < Panarin / Pettersson / Boeser > craft its own identity. And the team with it a style of play. In basketball terms a fastbreaking, full pressure team. Always on the fly, with constant movement at speed. Defensively & offensively. Petey very good at this defensively. Tampa does this with some its lines. Chicago as well, including in championship years. And teams cannot guard them. They do have a style of play that takes risks, and has match up issues? Creates turnovers for & against. But owning more talent & speed, the law of averages says the more possessions and speed, open space, that can be created? The more likely your uber talented threesome outscore opposition in a track meet. The old Oilers of the 80's as well, and Pittsburgh have used this game style. And we drafted Coffee Hughes to help turbocharge such a game style. A second counter point is that Miller & Boeser for Pettersson does not flank him with that world class speed. Miller has NHL speed, uses it well. But is not a speed ''as a weapon'' player. It does provide three wicked possession game players? And add's a glue guy to fore check, hit the corners, punish opposing D. In my own interpretation? That fits a Horvat line, an improved version of Pearson to play with them. With an addendum that Boeser himself, nor Pettersson for that matter, don't have any fear of work rate, or hard area's. Boeser is approaching power forward size, does a great job protecting the puck and playing in tight. Adding fore check pressure, and getting more into puck battles a natural progression I'm sure coaches are working with him on also regardless. We know Benning wants a D in UFA. Adding a mid priced free agent, say Zucarello, might help accomplish both. That would be a good summer.
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2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Canuck Surfer replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Its not simply the notion of finding top 4 D men in the 4, 5 , 6, & 7th round? Its about odds, and I'll get back to that. I listened to, surprised me actually, a pointed description of BPA by Kevin Weekes. BPA is supposed to be the best player. But its also the ''best player for your organization.'' The player who will best fill your mould, the things you are trying yo do. Particularly after the top 10 are gone... And Holland, from Detroit Edmonton. Its about fit, who you feel you can work with? Of the 5 or 6 major attributes; speed, gamesmanship, compete, puck skills, athletic ability? Athleticism dissipates fastest, and there always holes, or pieces missing in later rounds! Who can you envision being able to deploy, but still mask that weakness with your system, your other players? Who do you sense you can teach to improve and mask their own weakness? I don't buy that by the time we drafted 8 players? That a defenceman was not BPA in any one of those situations. Simple logic says a D will be 33% of the time. More complex logic, but even stronger logic, says past the three rounds. When the most advanced players are gone. the odds for finding a player of any variety are lower. So I agree with you there. Math says they had an agenda. They said as much as well; size & physicality. But if you have 3 sure, or the closest to sure, forwards as players early? And proven math says the 3rd round onward, odds of finding a good player any player, drop to between 15 & 20%. And all the players require working with them. Developing them. If you have a goal of finding D men, 3 or 4, even 5 of the last 5 guys we drafted should be D. Drafting 5 has enough odds, we should find one. They had an agenda, and it was not D. We have a weaker D. I question the agenda. -
2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC
Canuck Surfer replied to Qwags's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Hoglander is a great pick. But it still does not mean you can go (should go?) devoid of drafting any D. Then top it up by trading your future draft picks, where on the odd chance a D is BPA, you might have a chance to right the ship. And while I agree you can find players signing undrafted UFA's. The odd's of finding the best physical talent on the planet with this method is not great. -
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Canuck Surfer replied to canuck2xtreme's topic in Fantasy Hockey
I like all our pics as a general statement. WRF does not make sense is how not a single defenceman was BPA in any round. We will be behind the 8 ball, and soon. That's dipsh!t dangerous, irresponsible even? Behind Hughes we have a lot of ? marks. Even Juolevi. Some will make it.But very dangerous drafting no D. Somehow, someway, the law of averages says a D will be BPA 2 in 6 players available. We have drafted below that average for as long as I can remember. -
Future 2knd line > Keppen / Horvat / Gadjo Very big! I likey...
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Canuck Surfer replied to canuck2xtreme's topic in Fantasy Hockey
Thanks. Is there also a week leading to July 1 to submit UFA offers? Pre negot period... Or do we send them all in them. Sorry, don't recall. -
[GDT] 2019 NHL Entry Draft
Canuck Surfer replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
If young assets are the asking price for Barrie. No thanks. Especially after trading for Miller. I like Miller. But I dont like that kind of trade. If Colorado takes Sutter, they need C help, and parts, fine... Barrie is UFA in a year. Not a good target for us. Prefer a D now. But Panarin was my #1 drool pick up prior. Hey if we can add Panarin and a D still... -
[GDT] 2019 NHL Entry Draft
Canuck Surfer replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
I came here to ask the same thing. More so, because D, including our prospect D, is not burgeoning with depth. We don't have a wave impending behind Juolevi & Hughes. And our NHL D is our weakest position. We're going to HAVE to plug some prospect D into the system. This is downright scary! -
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Canuck Surfer replied to Nail's topic in Fantasy Hockey
Thanks. And sorry for asking. Is there a window to negotiate with July 1 UFA's in advance. Or just forward all and they will be processed? -
I'm open to be proven wrong. I believe Miller is a very good, even an ideal player fit. A notch well above Sutter, and directly in a position of need. 2 way, hard nosed top 6 winger who can play with talent. And check, bang the boards, help create a harder play style. I'm also not a Benning hater. I like the vast majority, and net result of his work to date. The player target is not my concern. Admittedly, I have been on board for what has turned out to be some of Bennings mistakes; signing Eriksson, trading for Gudbrandson. So I have never criticized him for that. But I thought we had young C depth in Horvat, McCann, Gaudette was trending, vets Sutter & Sedin where we did not create a vacuum. Guddy ''should have filled'' an important need. Nor do I suggest build implicitly through the draft. But I do believe in trading from strength. ie too many right wing prospects, and missing a D? Trade a RW prospect. And my real gut feel is we did not accumulate enough young assets, busting down the door? Guys like Madden, Lockwood who also has to not go UFA, Lind, Brisbois, are not sure things. IMO we don't have the depth to trade picks from a position of strength. My model was LA's. When they had soo many young players, they did not have room for Simmonds & Schenn. Had guys coming to replace Jack Johnson. They traded those young guys then, for veteran help like Miller. And even then, they still had rookies good enough to make their championship calibre line up, fill roles, from their prospect pool. Hey? Miller 26. When Hughes and Petey's contracts are up in 2 years. Maybe we'll trade him for value, get back 1st rounder, or more? And we will sign his NYR line mate Zuccarello to a 3 year deal, and do the same in 2 years. And I will have had unjustified concern. Hey, Hey?? Maybe Lockwood will be a 4th line forward next year, Lind 2knd & Madden a great tandem killing penalties with Gaudette another year from now. Maybe we do have the strength on the farm. An alternate take on unjustified concern. Hey, Hey, Hey, is the real bet we are making here. I remain of the belief there is real pressure to improve from ownership. And we're not playing quite patient enough. I also believe our biggest need is D. I don't think we even drafted a D today? In any round. And we will also may be cashing such futures to improve our blue line as well. Its a dangerous game.