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Benning would have given him 5x5

First Sutter, now Gagner. The ghost of Jim Benning lingers in Edmonton.

What happened to Dale Tallon? 39 goals 79 points in 54 games in his draft year is insane and then he had a very strong rookie campaign with the Canucks with 56 points in 78 games. Keep in mind Boudrias lead the team in scoring with 66 points. 17 goals his second year, and two all-star appearances. His trade tree isn't too bad: Traded for Gary Smith and Jerry Korab. Gary Smith - becaome a starter for three seasons including one very successful year - traded for Caesar Maniago who played two seasons before retiring Jerry Korab played only 30 games before being traded for John Gould and Tracy Pratt. John Gould flourished with the Canucks scoring back to back 30+ goal seasons and was traded for Larry Carriere and Hilliard Graves. Carriere had one mediocre season, Graves played two years his best showing a 21 goal 47 point season. Tracy Pratt a defenseman played 3 seasons with the Canucks, his best being 22 points.

Yes true - but Hodgson was very hyped and at the time it was insane we grabbed him at 10. There was a legit debate over who was better between Tavares and Hodgson. I lived in Toronto for 8 years and there were a lot of rep hockey guys in my office would would bring up Hodgson and how disappointing his career was given the hype. Its not that Hodgson was bad - fans loved him his first season with Vancouver and his first year in Buffalo he was around a 25 goal / 60 point pace in a low scoring era - good for 2nd on the team at 22 years old. Also consider the accoldates Hodgson received after we drafted him - "In addition to OHL First All-Star Team honours, he was awarded both the William Hanley Trophy as the League's most sportsmanlike player and the Red Tilson Trophy as OHL player of the year. The media voted Hodgson ahead of forward John Tavares and goaltender Mike Murphy for the Tilson award". He also won some sort of defensive or faceoff accoldate (I can't remember). And also he had "future captain" written all over him. He also had 16 points in 6 games at the world juniors. Jake Virtanen and Olli Juolevi, even though drafted earlier, I never really had high expectations for. Juolevi played with elite forwards and even so his numbers weren't eye popping. Virtanen already had major red flags to his game and he was taken off the power play, scored 1 goal in 6 playoff games etc. Craig Button boldly ranked him at 43. So regardless of draft position, I expected Hodgson to be the same quality as what Horvat became, Virtanen a Raffi Torres type and Juolevi to be like a Jordan Leopold.

Bjugstad, Acciari and Geekie were available this off-season but neither has the defensive & PK ability of Suter. Maybe we should get Travis Boyd back haha

David Booth - lived up to expectations his first season, and was a nice add-on despite us not having a good run. LTIR second season. His final season he fell out of favour as Torts hated him. He actually played OK in the roles he was given - on the 2nd line he was on pace for 23 goals and in the bottom six he played fine in that role (underlying numbers and hits were solid) but was paid too much. Given we traded Samuelsson in his final year after extracting a tonne of value out of him, dumped Sturm who was a mistake, and acquired a 3rd round pick out of it he was worth the gamble but didn't pan out. Micheal Ferland - I was super sad Ferland's career ended the way it did. Was so excited about this signing but we only got 14 games out of him. It is hard to place a guy who doesn't pan out because of injuries vs one who doesn't live up to expectations. Nikta Tryamkin - Sad he didn't come back but he was a 3rd rounder who gave us a season +. Keith Ballard - A great acquisition at the time who unfortunately had an undisclosed injury despite playing 82 games. He sort of falls into the Booth camp of he wasn't really that bad but pushed down the lineup and overpaid. This was a bit of a different era - fans were behind Ballard and more hate was directed toward Vigneault. What makes Ballard not so disappointing is part of the reason he got pushed down the lineup was Hamhuis who was excellent - if we never acquired Hamhuis things would have gone different. Olli Juolevi - Hated this pick at the time, but at least expected him to be a 2nd pairing dman for us. Maybe the most disappointing draft pick. Loui Eriksson - Eriksson was a very good player then signed in Vancouver and went to absolute crap. Jake Virtanen - I was never that high on Jake - even when we drafted him I thought he would be a 15 goal guy who hits. Alek Stojanov - don't remember Shawn Antonski - don't remember Jay Beagle - I know this signing was a disaster from the onset but Beagle was a bit worse than I anticipated. Mark Messier - Huge disappointment but they put way too much on the shoulders of an aging player. In hindsight he was actually far better than Eriksson (was top 2 in either scoring or points per game in his 3 seasons) Cody Hodgson - I was disappointed when he was traded, but he ended up having that insane medical condition anyway. Sad because if not for that I think he would have been better than Horvat and would have been our captain after Henrik. Oliver Ekman-Larsson - I knew he sucked - disappointed from the onset. Sven Baertschi - meh Vladimir Krutov - don't remember Linden Vey - stupid giving up a 2nd for a guy that would have ended up on waivers. Small, slow, didn't light the world on fire BAD pro scouting. Jordan Schroeder - I'd say Schroeder would have to be up there - he was anticipated to go top 10 and I really liked what I saw from him. Injuries and a bad environment from NCAA to the Chicago Wolves to John Tortella destroyed him. It is kind of hard to put it in rankings, but I'd put it in this order: 1. Most underperfrming signing - Eriksson 2. Most disappointing draft pick - Juolevi 3. Saddest signing based on potential - Ferland 4. Saddest draft pick based on potential - Hodgson 5. Worst trade (at the time and in hindsight) - OEL 6. Biggest cancer - Messier

For a younger player a two year layoff would be very detrimental, but I wonder if there could be some benefit for an older guy? As long as he stayed in good shape that is two years for his body to deal from the extreme physical rigors of professional hockey. I am sure there will be an adjustment period to get his timing back but he might actually be ok with the layoff - I don't know anything but just speculating.

Start Silovs in Abbotsford, Martin in the NHL. Martin only plays back-to-backs, or the occasional start during a tough schedule. At around game 50, if Silovs is playing well in Abby call him up and send Martin down to Abby. Play Silovs 30-40% to help manage Demko later in the season. If Demko goes down with injury Silovs becomes the #1.

I didn't mind him as a player but he made too much money and was always injured. Was happy when we brought him back for $1M but its too bad he didn't get to play. Hoping he can find his way back to the NHL after sitting for so long.

A good prospect and a 5th for a 26 year old 169lb winger who has 10 goals over 68 games in the Czech league, only 7 games in the NHL and subpar AHL numbers? Seems like a decent enough depth player but very curious about how he got that much value back.

Slow news Dea

The way I look at it, Pens gave up a 1st, 2nd and DeSmith for Karlsson & 3rd rounder SJ received a 1st round pick for Karlsson Montreal received a 2nd round pick and DeSmith for taking Petry’s contract (25% retained) In a way all three teams won. Pittsburgh added a Norris level dman for essentially a late 1st and a 2nd. San Jose gets a solid asset back for a player that ate up a lot of cap space and didn’t fit their compete window. Montreal gets a 2nd and a solid backup for taking on a player who played 22 minutes per night, averaged 0.5 points per game at 4.8M. If they decide to retain 50% and trade him they could fetch another 2nd rounder. Montreal definitely runs away with a huge victory here - especially since they also got to dump cap.

hindsight is 20/20 but the year before taking over the Canucks had two first round picks (including a top 10) and in JB’s first year he had two first round picks (including a top 10) as well as his other picks in tact. The two years leading up to and the first year of their tenure it looked like this: Allvin 1st - 1 (15) 2nds - 1 Benning 1sts - 5 (6, 10, 24, 24, 26) 2nds - 2 Benning’s complete lack of on ice success (made the playoffs because of Covid) and having so few draft picks along with several crippling contracts is inexcusable. Just because Quinn Hughes fell on to his lap and his scouts strong armed him into drafting EP40 he is hailed as having some level of competence

He did ok. I actually preferred Lammikko- surprised he wasn’t brought back

Hopefully stays healthier! I guess a lot depends on the last spot. Juulsen and Wolanin both looked really good last year and are two guys who have untapped potential (Wolanin with playing college and then Covid, Juulsen with injuries) then you also have Hirose and Johansson who are wild cards coming off of strong campaigns. Rathbone and Woo are also there - it should be interesting!

Sounds like he will give us a few options either as a steady presence with Hughes or can form a shutdown pair with Hronek.

The charts aren't 100% indicative of overall play but goals/60 is purely objective and all three guys are insane

He scored 39 goals in 60 games as a defensemen??? Glad to see his career get ruined beause of his despicable actions. Will probably end up in the KHL.

Reminds me of Jim Cramer everything he says is the exact opposite of reality

He would probably get over 7 million in the open market. New York pre cap was able to sign anyone because they had so much money now guys play there for pennies on the dollar

Burke and Gillis were far better GM than Nonis, but he did get us Luongo at least. In Nonis' defense he came in at an awkward time. For example, signing Naslund who was essentially a 2nd line player at the time for $6M is like $13M today adjusted for cap and added a bunch of weird players who did nothing like Bulis, Chouinard etc. Terrible deadline trades. Had the best draft in team history and the worst draft so its hard to measure him there. Missed the playoffs 2/3 years when Burke and Gillis' teams were great. Benning is far worse than Nonis though. In Toronto there was a joke about how a potato would be a better GM than Nonis but compared to Benning the potato would win and it wouldnt even be close.

His 31 playoff points was the most since 2008.

Good replacement for DeBrincat

Its Boston’s first so probably later than 24. We got offered Theodore & Vatanen as well but took Sbisa Bonino > Kubalik. Bonino had more points than Kesler the season before and was younger and under contract for just $1.9M