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  1. I can't beleive these Gaudette and Virtanen threads are getting more attention than the LE waivers thread.
  2. Jake is a better bottom six forward that Gaudette. Which is why I'd prefer they move Gaudette - who probably has a bit more lustre / might have more relative trade value presently. I'm not sure I see a path to staying on this roster for Gaudette - the team is just too rich at young RW - and Gaudette is not really tracking as a capable NHL center. So I'd move Gaudette before I'd move Virtanen - because I like what I've seen out of the Beagle and Sutter lines with Virtanen on the wing. Virtanen has proven more versatile than Gaudette - and in spite of his scoring drought, we've seen he's capable of scoring, even in shutdown minutes... If Gaudette could bring back a Nick Paul or Trenin....I'd probably make that kind of deal.
  3. LE already cleared waivers - hasn't played 10 games, and I don't think it's been a full month.... So I was wondering if this might be unconditional!!!!
  4. if Nashville would move Trenin - that would be a hard deal to argue with. probably a better candidate to convert back to a center than Gaudette. and he's a left winger (at this point) - a greater need than Gaudette - who also plays a heavier game than Gaudette. A Trenin or Nick Paul and I'd be pretty happy (not sure how highly Nashville values Gaudette, but....you never know). Future Pod linemate? I always liked Kamenev - who was always injured... But if they manage to get Trenin, that's a deal I'd probably make.
  5. Brad Richardson and a pick/prospect. lol. I love my 'plugs'.
  6. i can't imagine Poile dealing Fabbro for Gaudette. Aside from him, Farrance is a good D prospect - but a LHD - and I probably would not make that deal. For a forward, I want a Nick Paul type. The fact there's no AHL or minor hockey makes it more difficult to assess young players draft+ seasons...
  7. Capped at - but over 1million a team only needs to match/offer the existing - is that not correct? Could the Canucks not qualify Virtanen at 2.55 if they elected to?
  8. why would he be a 'natural fit?' with EP. you're proposing is to displace Miller fo him? Miller was a 59.2% faceoff guy (ie one of the best in the league). DeBrusk is a winger (who took 26 draws and won 9). Miller lead the team in hits last year. DeBrusk was 19th on the Bruins. Miller had 38 blocked shots, DeBrusk 9. Miller lead the Canucks in takeaways with 52. DeBrusk was 10th on the Bruins (26). (Not to mention that Miller has produced better than DeBrusk at each stage of his career...) Pettersson needs a guy that can win faceoffs (he himself was 41.8%) - or all those ozone starts are for not - he needs a guy that can handle the down low (center role) battles in the defensive zone - a guy that excels in the hard areas (Miller forechecks with a chip on his shoulder, he goes to the front of the net, etc) - and he's a highly skilled guy in addition to that power game. EP has precisely the right linemate at this stage - whereas DeBrusk aint that.
  9. that shoulda drafted so and so is a universal truth every team has to deal with regarding multiple draft picks - it's just not a valid point in the end - it's pointless.
  10. look who stepped up to defend HF boards. is that the best you've got Tom? it reminds me of the exchange he had with Brad Richards. that's some weak straw game - you are unable to quote something because, obviously I've never made that argument, but I imagine you probably know that.
  11. Your playbook is predictable. Can't address the data - so you spin off on irrelvent misdirection....global warming, George Soros, Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce, Lester Bangs, Birthday party, cheesecake, flat earth, "analyticz" and the end of the world, with of course, the necessary amount of triggered to fuel your rant/projection. No hockey talk. Surprise. Predictably no analysis from the 'analyst', not one metric - literally nothing of substance.
  12. Just stop. (Weak) sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. It's merely misdirection - that is not going to compensate for your lack of analysis.
  13. True - the production has not been there - in the playoffs or this season. Why that's the case would be interesting to know considering the rest of his game has been quite respectable - which usually leads to production. One concern would be that he has only taken 19 shots this year - I think he needs to feel free to just rip it - but he's taking a cue from a long tradition of pass first, pass second, pass pass pass.....(Sedin osmosis-effect).... Regardless, the idea that he's a vacant defensive player who lacks the intelligence to read or respond to the play - is unfounded.
  14. I think they should try some creative tactics with Virtanen. Ie - I don't recall which game it was - a few games ago - but someone hit him in the first shift and he proceeded to crank a couple guys in succession. I think I'd have a designated Virtanen agitator. Someone on the team that is authorized to just slap him, squirt water on him, backhand him, poke him with a stick, whatever - just basically agitate him on a regular basis....
  15. haha - right on cue - the @Provost desperation move - the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy - and cop out. Er - "I speak for the hockey professional". Great stuff. Next time show your work.
  16. yawn. of course 'we' aren't getting Ristolainen for Virtanen. I'm pretty sure the proposal the poster made was Juolevi, Virtanen and Gaudette. - and glad you enjoyed the post above. I couldn't find the "cost the team 30 goals against" metric.
  17. Virtanen's 168 takeaways in his 291 game career leads the team over that period. He lead the team (by 20) in 2017/18 with 51. He lead the team in 2018/19 with 46. He did so playing 11:59 and 14:49 minutes those seasons. Last year he was 3rd on the team with 37, playing 13:05/game. Miller lead the team with 52, Myers was 2nd with 42. This season he is 3rd with 8 (in 12 games) - Hoglander leads the team with 12, Schmidt has 9. Virtanen leads the team this season with 1.3 on ice goals against per 60. Last season he was second among forwards at 2.6 on ice ga/60 (Sutter lead F at 2.2). Two years ago he was 3rd among forwards at 2.4 on ice ga/60 (Granlund at 2.0, Leivo at 2.2). Virtanen leads the team this year with a .958 on ice save percentage. Last year he was 3rd among forwards at .925. (Sutter lead at .933, Beagle was 2nd at .927) Virtanen lead the team in the playoffs at .963 Two years ago Virtanen was 2nd among forwards with a .924 on ice sv% (Granlund lead with .931) Virtanen is 5th on the team with 28 hits (in 12 games). Last year he was 4th with 102, playing 13:05 (Milller lead with 123, Motte 118, Edler 108) Two years ago he was 2nd with 156, playing 14:49 (Motte 200). 2017/18 he was 3rd with 156, 1st among forwards (again, playing 11:59/g).
  18. HF is a "safe space" for smarmy whiners - if they come here, they face counterpoints, differences of opinion. If you don't hate your team, you won't fit in that echo chamber.
  19. LOL Heffy - Ristolainen would be a great take = is a "real NHL D"!! Far better than the guy @Provost keeps repeatedly beating the drum to acquire - Colin Miller Ristolainen 2 goals, 4 assists, +2 35 hits, 13 blocks 23:34 /g 42.2% ozone starts 53.4% corsi .938 on ice save percentage 2.6 on ice goals for per 60 5on5 1.6 on ice goals against 2:20 pk and 2:20 pp minutes/g. Miller 1g, 2 assists, -7 18 hits, 7 blocks 17:10/g 51.6% ozone starts 49.6% corsi .863 on ice sv% 1.2 on ice goals for 3.9 against 1:04 pp, 0:33 pk/g but - er - sorry about the 'cherry pick' lol.
  20. The ironing is so delicious I'd be surprised that you haven't yet given up on these futile chirps yet / your one go-to 'cherrypick' one-liner by now. The fruit is hanging so low.... I have posted literally handfuls of metrics regarding Virtanen on these boards - almost exhausting the available data. Offensive metrics scoring, 5on5 vs pp production on ice goals for per 60 at es Defensive metrics takeaways hits blocks on ice sv% on ice goals against per 60 at es deployment metrics ozone starts frequency of linemates that he plays with ice time. The irony is that some of those defensive metrics - takeaways, on ice goals against, on ice sv% - Virtanen is among the team leaders - consistently. But @Provost 's one-liner - of a 'cherrypick' - remains your default response - and it never gets less absurd. More ironic - is the fact that you never take the risk of posting your own work - instead relying on one-liners, and weak appeals to pseudo 'authority' - ie as if you speak for the 'analytics community'. The reality is that you're too lazy minded and too hell bent on defending your confirmation biases - so you're too cautious to engage and actually do some analytical work. The @Provost idea of 'analytics' - a random number you pulled straight out of your posterior - and are entirely unable to qualify or sustantiate. But here you are attempting to call me out for 'cherry-picking'. Thanks for the schooling on Virtanen. But seriously - give it up - and make an actual effort to teach yourself something - and maybe something worthwhile to discuss will emerge in the process.
  21. I'm overdramatizing your drama? You claimed that the kids are upset because this offseason's moves 'reduces their chances of winning a Cup in their career". If the team that Benning had assembled was tracking towards such a good chance of winning a Cup - do you see the irony -and how fundamentally that undermines your story? Can you see the glaring contradiction? Benning sucks - fire Benning - on and on ad infinitum - and yet, three veterans that were part of a team that just beat Minnesota, the Stanley Cup Champions and went to 7 with Vegas in M.A.S.H. mode - a team that was build by that incompetent idiot. The raised expectations here to the point you're talking about Championship chances. This is the crux of the twitter story in Vancouver. The irony for me - but there's absolutely nothing surprising about it - is that that playoff success is less important in this market than the opportunity to bitch about a few twilight zone weeks at the start of a bizarre covid season. A herd-minded intent to qualify this compulsive confirmation bias - that Benning is allegedly an idiot - that becomes more important than both the long game - and the playoff results everyone here enjoyed months ago (as if there was some continuum leading straight up to the Cup. If that were the case, the ironing about all the Benning hate would be that much more delicious.
  22. no 'excuse' necessary - it was the right decision - and perhaps a polite way of saying we decided it's time to keep a spot open for Hoglander - as opposed to 'he wasn't in our plans' I honestly could not care less about the sound bites that people elect to dwell upon - the bottom line for me - I would have made the same decision - regardless of 'time'. I also would have signed Tanev - but the whole OEL monkey wrench - was really a package deal - which included re-signing Markstrom. And again, for me the truly underlying irony here - is that in the end the team elected the transition course instead of 'speeding it up' - something virtually the entire market has been whining about. So be careful what you wish for Vancouver - because you got what you've been wishing for all along - and now - the laughable contradiction is to listen to the loudest chorus of #proper-rethingers whine about not -re-signing veterans - and instead focusing on the long game - which is the actual young core's trajectory - including Demko's. Seriously little violins material where the smarmies and twittiots are concerned.
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