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(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
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(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
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(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
ironically, some of my favorite posters on these boards have usernames of players I don't really care for. Brad Marchand is another good example (excellent perspective as well, imo). -
(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Chevy is an excellent GM. Thanks for coming out, though. -
(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
You think that because you haven't really thought about the contexts. First, Laine has 85 powerplay points, to Dubois 34. Dubois averages 42 pts per 82 5on5. Laine averages 47 per 82. Gap closing already - when you adjust for padding production on man advantages. Which is not to mention the production of linemates, ice times, or the fact that Laine can't kill penalties, handle dzone starts, etc. Laine played with Scheifele (73 pts) and Connor (73 pts) last season (19:25 ice time) - the vast majority of his ice time - and secondary (Wheeler 65pts), Ehlers (58pts)... Dubois played with a melting pot of Bjorkstrand (36 pts), Foligno (31pts), Atkinson (26pts), Nyqvist (42pts), Milano (18pts)....(17:56 ice time). There were two seasons of Dubois playing with Panarin that also factor in - but it neither balances those contexts out, nor does it change the minimal gap in 5on5 production. Yes - the context matters - and it mitigates - not amplifies - the gap. -
(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Jesus - I need to get a life lol. -
(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
You're preaching to the choir - but you're probably also overestimating the significance of that scoring 'gap' - when some additional context arguably mitigates it even further (not to mention that there's nothing impressive about Laine's 'possession' numbers either). -
(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
This is somewhat irrelevent though - semantics. First - Dubois was arguably facing top line matchups regardless - he's the most dangerous offensive forward in Columbus. Second - when you take him and put him behind Scheifele - imo it serves both - and makes them more difficult to handle - particularly when neither club is lacking talent on the wing, nor defensive/bottom six center depth. I think this makes for very good conditions for Dubois - and additionally, you have to factor in that his production has come in less ice time than Laine....I don't think it's anywhere as simple as 2C for 1RW - and certainly can't be projected that way in the future. Technically guys like Malkin, Draisaitl, etc are "2Cs" but it doesn't really diminish their potential impact in the slightest. -
(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I was born there - which is in part why I fluff Winnipeg (partly tongue-in-cheek of course) - and cheap real estate is a positive in my books - but I can't speak for Dubois reasons for wanting out of Columbus - wanting a bigger stage may be part of it - who knows (I think Winnipeg is a rabid hockey market and that part 'should' qualify) - but I'd have to think that Tortorella was prime mover #1. I personally would not tolerate his amateurish lack of self-control and counter-productive relationship wrecking ball - I'd launch him in a heartbeat. He 'promised' to temper his tendency to come unhinged - a large part of what bought him another chance - his b.s. mea culpa - but it's patently obvious that it lasted virtually no time at all - he was ballbusting guys like Hartnell in short order. I have to think that Dubois' primary issue was getting the fk away from Mr Anger Management = "here's Johnny" - but it's admittedly large part impression/assumption (only Dubois could really elaborate, but the endless footage of Tortorella railing on him leaves a convincing impression for sure. -
(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
The bolded part is certainly Columbus' challenge moving forward. And I don't think the 40g for 50pt thing quite stands up. Dubois 159pts in 239 games (55pts per 82) . Laine 250 in 306 (67 per 82). That 12 pt gap imo is counterbalanced by the value of Dubois being a center (if he doesn't wind up a winger conversion in the end, which I don't think he will). But dealing a center for winger in Columbus' circumstances - not ideal by any stretch of the imagination (and I like Roslovic but not sure he will change that top 6 any time soon). Maybe Foudy will become an answer but there are some real question marks there. Domi Texier (Foudy) (Roslovic) Riley Nash Jenner (Foligno also capable of and does play center) Domi in particular I am skeptical can handle the two way duties and matchups of a 'top line' C (and at 25 has yet to crack 50% in the faceoff circle) - with Dubois gone, the heat on these two (and potential successors) will probably only intensify. Very good 'bottom 6' centers - but I think they've weakened at those critical top 6 center spots. Kind of sad to see where that franchise has 'devolved' to considering their trajectory a few years ago. But step one: fire Torts. -
(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
That 'crappier' city thing - is spoken like someone who has never been to the Winnipeg Folk Festival, someone that doesn't love Lebanese food nor all the other cultural riches of the coldest city in the world outside Siberia lol. But on a serious note - I think the "playing behind a center who's better" is one of the best aspects of this for Dubois. Dubois isn't necessarily really 'ready' to be a 1C (at least not over 200ft = not a particularly good faceoff guy, or 'possession' player thus far) - and Scheifele will eat a lot of matchups that otherwise would have been keyed on Dubois....Winnipeg also has very solid depth centers imo - I think this will actually be a very good playing context for Dubois. There are some pretty good examples of teams with a pair of high end centers who find time and opportunity for both of them - and there are worse things than being loaded up on a line to feast with (as a LW). -
(Trade) Laine to CBJ - Dubois to Jets
oldnews replied to MikeBossy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
this was not a particularly hard deal to call.., but I'm glad it happened. Really like Laine and Roslovic - but if Dubois can improve as a faceoff guy and defensive center (and not require 65+% ozone starts) - a power center like him is a difficult asset to acquire (or even draft). Laine might wind up wishing he'd been more careful what he wished for. But if I'm the CBJ - Torts' shelf life has expired. And Maurice in Winnipeg, not far behind imo. -
Gotta love this place for it's epic poor-me- ism. A couple patently obvious things... 1) Luongo is what brought Markstrom here....and has literally nothing to do with Benning. 2) If a bad contract is enough to ruin a rebuild, every rebuild in the league has been ruined, because every GM has signed one. Le'ts just take the Canadian franchises as examples.... Toronto = that Marleau contract that cost them a 1st. Zaitsev, lol, etc (among a flurry of bad contracts, particularly if we are going to dredge Luongo era garbage into the conversation). Anyone remember Robidas? There is a literal archipelago of Robidas islands in their wake! Clarkson lol? Phaneuf's albatross. Joffry Lupul. Remember John-Michael-Liles? Jeff Kinger! Jonathon Bernier? Tim Connolly. Mike Komisarek! The perpetual #proper-rething - alongside countless braincramps. Edmonton = Lucic = Neal. Koskinen? Kris Russell? Remember Souray, Penner, and Horcoff? They are perpetually rethinging so these all arguably count - and the only thing saving them from themselves in the present is 20+ million to their top2 centers and no money left in their allowance to blow. Calgary = Neal = Lucic. Troy Brouwer. Some of the kids would add Markstrom and Tanev to their list, but that is way too premature. Remember Wideman? Ottawa = Bobby Ryan, Craig Anderson, Matt Murray lol. Montreal has a history of Cammaleri, Gomez type deals, and in the modern era = Karl Alzner (who is costing them 4 million this year with 3 more buyout cap hit years), Price is making 10+ million until 2026, and when they cut the Weber deal (I disagreed with these claims but) it would supposedly handcuff and sink them until 2026....Drouin is also a flop of a deal imo. Winnipeg = slimmer pickings than most. Kulikov's deal did not age well. They dodged the Ladd re-up bullet. They overspent and lost Stastny. Unfortunately Chevy doesn't necessarily need to sign bad deals - he and Winnipeg have plenty of other crap luck to contend with. Hopefully the Dubois deal will reverse some of it. 3) Myer leads the team with 16 blocked shots, is 2nd to Hughes in D scoring, is one of the team's penalty killing D, and brings a lot of elements this blueline needed and needs. On a message board where the overwhelming protests are about a team that is not tough enough, here we are whining about the player that has stepped up more than anyone else on the roster - throughout the playoffs and early this season. I'll take those penalties every time - particularly the beautiful punch to Tkachuk's ugly face parked in our crease. Take some more liberties, please, Tyler. Myers also expires young enough to assume that he will hurt the team in 3 years time is way too premature- and if anything, he's been good early this season.