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I'm on team reality check - you're on team don't know what you're talking about. Connolly played 7.2% of his ice time with Ovechkin - but it's a cool story otherwise. https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/brett-connolly His principal linemates are Burakovsky and Eller Burakovsky has 25 pts, Eller 36 - and Connolly 46 - and like I said, 42 of them at even strength. Guys that score 22 goals, 46 pts on the 3rd line....playing 13:20 a night - are clearly over-rated lol. Worse, Connolly is clearly carried by superior linemates. Thanks for the schooling. But, but "I'm guesing your probably" elect to play straw games instead of engage with what people actually say. Beagle is exactly what I expected he'd be here - the fact you reduce it to production says volumes about your goldfish perspective. Er, I jus' hope he doesn't get 3 millionz per seazon.....
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which vets are you referring to? where do you propose they 'should have' acquired top of the draft picks?
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https://www.fearthefin.com/2018/9/8/17833058/top-25-san-jose-sharks-under-25-linus-karlsson-prospect-report-karlskrona-allsvkenskan may have already been posted - but an SB Nation Shark lover's take on Karlsson..... Top 25 Sharks Under 25: No. 14 Linus Karlsson is exciting for a third-round pick 7 comments Who needs Erik, anyway? By efowle15@FowleBall15 Sep 8, 2018 The NHL talk of the town all off-season was the future of Erik Karlsson. That conversation has died down mostly, save for a few errant tweets stirring the proverbial dung. As the season approaches and hockey media outlets try their damndest to predict this coming season’s outcome(s), the likely regression of William Karlsson will become a more pressing topic. In San Jose, meanwhile, the Sharks have their own Karlsson to be excited about (and sorry, it’s not Melker). On Emmanuel Perry’s list of every forward currently under the age of 19 who was technically eligible for the 2018 draft, Linus Karlsson, the Sharks’ third-round pick, ranks tied for 35 in terms of potential upside (WAR/82 in the NHL). That list is 1,752 names long and features names like Andrei Svechnikov, Vitali Kravstov, Filip Zadina, and Martin Kaut at or near the top. Karlsson’s 58 percent chance of making the NHL according to that model places him in even more rarefied air: 14th among that same group of 1,700+ teenage forwards. Age (as of September 9): 18 Position: Center Shoots: Right Size: 6’1”, 187 pounds Nationality: SWE 2017 Ranking: N/A Staff Ranking: 11 Acquired: 2018 NHL Entry Draft, Round 3, 87 overall 2017-18 Team: Karlskrona J20, SuperElit 2018-19 Team: Karlskrona, Allsvenskan Karlsson — a 6-foot-1, 187-pound center from Eksjö, Sweden — scored 56 points in 48 SuperElit games (including playoffs) last season. It’s important to note that those points were not empty calories, though he did acquire a healthy proportion on the power play. Betweenness — a measure of a player’s impact on his team’s scoring network — shows how much a given player relied on his teammates to score primary points. This is a list of the top 25 players in the entire SuperElit league last season, so many of the skaters listed here are a year or so older than Karlsson. In terms of even-strength scoring impact, Karlsson ranked among the top 20 skaters in his entire league. In all situations, thanks to his extra man contributions, Karlsson ranked ninth. This is all to say that his draft year season, which included one assist in 14 SHL games, was quite impressive. top 25 SuperElit players in 2017-18 according to even strength betweenness (scoring influence) Marcus Karlberg and Linus Karlsson at 18th and 19th, respectively. Jonatan Berggren is 36th. Dominik Bokk is 44th. pic.twitter.com/YDxcyrTGs0 — Evan Oppenheimer (@OppenheimerEvan) July 1, 2018 Emmanuel Perry’s model, which was referenced above, is not the only method of statistical comparison to look upon Karlsson favorably. The model Jeremy Davis of Canucks Army developed only gave Karlsson a 23 percent chance of making the NHL thanks to this 2017-18 season. But Davis also found that Karlsson was involved in 41 percent of his team’s 5-on-5 goals, the highest such mark of any prospect Davis and Co. evaluated. Karlsson’s most-common teammates except one all produced better results when skating alongside the Sharks prospect. NHL players who have put together similar statistical seasons in the SuperElit league include Jesper Fast, Jakob Silfverberg, Gustav Nyquist, and Carl Hagelin. If Karlsson turns into the next Silfverberg, well, that’s a third-round pick well spent. What we like Per the information on Karlsson’s EliteProspects profile page, Draftin Europe scouts believe his strengths include a “nice shot and combines that with his ability to read developing holes in the offensive zone” and has a “quality game from faceoff dots to end-boards.” Karlsson positively impacts his teammates while consistently adding to his own stat sheet. He impressed many around the Swedish hockey world last season and was at one point rumored to be a trade target of the SHL’s Rögle and 2017-18 league champion Växjö Lakers teams. For his hard work, Karlsson was named the SuperElit’s best forward. The Sharks picked Karlsson in the pick #40-100 range, which is typically where teams outperform Central Scouting rankings, especially when their picks diverge from the rankings. Karlsson has all the statistical makings of a star who was looked over a few times too many. Areas of Improvement According to The Athletic’s Corey Pronman, Karlsson could stand to work on his skating. At just 178 pounds, Karlsson will also likely need to spend some time lifting heavy weights and eating lots of protein in an attempt to add a little extra muscle to his frame as he heads into his first full professional season. Highlight Here, Karlsson notices his team has collected the puck safely in its own zone, so he heads up ice looking for the stretch pass. The pass connects — and here you can see where concerns about his skating come from — and Karlsson takes off toward the opposing net. He’s calm and steady on his skates during his approach and tosses just the right amount of dangles into the mix before finishing off the play in style. Soft hands. Concentration, not strength.
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Outstanding advice - that is highly unlikely to be received by those that need it the most.
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Last 5 Stanley Cup Champions: Tom Wilson was the only under 25 player in the Caps top 10 in scoring last year. Guentzel was 9th in scoring for the Pens the year before, Sheary at 24 yrs old was 4th. The previous season, not one player under 25 in the Penst top 10. 2015 - the only under 25 in the Hawks top 10 was Brandon Saad. 2014 - the Kings had 24 yr old Doughty, 24 yr old Voynov, and Toffoli at 21.... So the recent (ie modern/new NHL) 'trend' would appear to be that Stanley Cup Champions typically have approximately 1 impact player under the age of 25.... Now arguably an 'impact' player might not be among the top 10 scorers on a team, but at the same time, young players who make an impact tend to be skill/scoring types - truly impact defensive players tend to take longer to develop....
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Just a 'comparison' for perpsective sake. The Leafs = stockpile the picks = #proper-rebuild... They have one player drafted outside the first round over the past 5 years on their roster - and those three first round picks currently playing - were all top 10 and lottery picks - whereas Boeser, for example, came at 23rd overall. And you can take that a step further - there is only one other player they drafted in the past 5 years that is even playing NHL games. 1) Travis Dermott - drafted 34th in 2015. 2) and Carl Grundstrom 57th in 2016 - are the only NHL assets drafted by the Leafs outside the top 10 in the past 5 years that are playing in the NHL. The Canucks: 1) Demko 2) Tryamkin Forsling like Grundstrom, packaged/dealt. 4) Gaudette 5) Brisebois 20 picks for the Leafs in 2015 and 2016 - have yielded.....Travis Dermott And their window is apparently.....now.
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I don't know about that. Tyler Madden just finsihed his rookie NCAA season with 28 pts in 36 games - one of the best players - as an 18 yr old - on a team that won the Hockey East tournament (beat Boston U and Boston College). By comparison, Gaudette, scored 30 pts in 41 games for that same Northeastern team as a rookie, was not as prominent on a team that was arguably not as good as Madden's was this season - on track to his eventual Hobey Baker. So is Gaudette 'pretty shallow in skill'? Or are you maybe underplaying the skill that guys like this possess - and possibly their potential in the process? Not every player is going to have the trajectory of an EP - many of them take years to become a Sedin, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Edler etc. But how many high end skilled prospects does it take to satisfy fan expectations? And how realistic are those expectations in the first place? Likewise with players like Woo, or Lind or whomever....not sure why some people are determined to prejudge them as lacking the skill/potential to develop into future core 'supplement' players. No one can expect that - and no one really knows who among them will turn out - but it's equally irrational imo to believe the team lacks future core supplements as it is to expect/predict that a Madden or Gaudette will be the next Hansen/Kesler or whomever....It's possible.... But there's nothing to "admit" about it. You and I don't have the knowledge or foresight to deem the pool "pretty shallow". It only takes one or two more outliers turning out here and there in the end to make a relatively highly successful prospect pool. At this point, I'd argue that the signs are easily there to indicate that there's as much possibility one way as the other - so posts/OP's like this are as premature and unfounded as one's declaring the next contending core in the bag and 'greatness' clearly on the horizon.
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What do you mean by "the next wave" though? The thing is - the 'next wave' is literally on the roster - the last two drafts - Pettersson and Hughes - are already in the lineup. Is the next wave the picks from this coming draft? Or are you referring to the guys taken in the later rounds, who are in their draft +1 or +2 seasons? Are we expecting 3rd round picks - 18 or 19 year olds - to be in Utica at this point, pushing their way onto the roster as the 'next wave'? Or are the realistic 'next wave' actually guys like Gaudette - a late round pick / Hobey Baker who is actually coming out of Utica - has more developing to do - but represents another 'wave' of sorts. Players like Woo, Madden - ie just drafted and too young for the AHL to this point - can't be presumed to be a failing or 'uninspiring' next wave - they're simply too young and represent such longshots by draft odds that high expectations of them 'supplementing' the kid-core is not realistic / is the ironic expectation of constant outliers.. A team is only going to srike so many outliers with players outside the top half of the first round - arguably Boeser is already an outlier - Gaudette, Tryamkin, Demko types are clearly tracking to significantly exceed draft position expectations. DiPietro may be another player that belongs in the signfiicant uptick on draft position category, at least thus far. Lind was injured and suffered a setback this year, as did Juolevi. Really, Utica had the type of season that makes it clear they are a part of the Canucks organization lol. But the idea that the current wave can be separated from the 'next wave' is not a fair separation - and likewise, the idea that the remainder of prospects, once that quick rising successes are separated out - are disappointing or uninspiring - is also highly misleading imo - and in the end, the team is at a point where it needs a few additions, not a wholesale new roster - so the needs relative to the supply is not really concerning whatsoever, particularly when you factor in another full complement of picks in this draft, and a fair amount of prospect talent that is not necessarily in Utica. The dwelling on Utica thing has become a strange obsession of this market, Inot talking about you specifically, but a smarmy focus) almost like a desperate attempt to hang onto something to substantiate all the disrespect Benning has received in his tenure here. It's ironic that the principal criticisms in the present are the lack of talent coming out of Utica, while Demko, Gaudette, Sautner, Brisebois, MacEwen all get callups - in part making Utica that much shallower. Some people seem to expect them to ride into the playoffs in spite of it all. Biega, Schenn etc - these are guys that were supposed to be helping Utica, alongside other absences like Juolevi, Gaudette, etc make a run towards the playoffs. In the end however, they're a feeder for the NHL club, so the M.A.S.H. reality trickles down and depletes them in the process, on top of their own injuries. It's really much ado about nothing in the longer run.
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thanks for posting the actual text - it gives a very different (not surprising) impression than you paraphrasing did. it's a horrible translation - so I'd be cautious about presuming to draw conclusions from it. I certainly don't see the "complaining' or 'taking no responsibility' that you read into it - it looks a lot more generic and difficult to interpret than that.
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[Signing] Blues re-sign Jay Bouwmeester
oldnews replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Not a bad price for a guy giving them 20 of their hardest minutes/game, with fairly decent results (ie 2.1 on ice goals against per 60, 45.1% ozone starts, 47.7 corsi, a mere -3 on the season, with 17 pts....) He may not be the toughest D to play against, but he blocks shots, he's relatively mobile and he maintains position. You have to think the Blues are pretty happy with that deal. I have to admit though - I'm not to sure - I haven't checked to see if he's on the list of the NHL's worst defensemen lol. -
I think he'll get another contract. He had a really horrible small sample in Anaheim that landed him in the AHL - and who knows what all the contributing factors were - and he's been serviceable here - as he was in Arizona for two years beforehand. Throwing hits and standing up for team-mates was great - and he was solid enough down the stretch - but results didn't matter much, so what he was bringing was arguably more important - or at least as important -as results. The problem however, is how difficult it is to gain footspeed at that point of a career - when guys typically give up another step instead. There are things that limit his ability to complement a player like Hughes imo. Hughes was at 84.4% ozone starts in his 5 games, with a 53.7% corsi. I think ideally you want a more mobile defender, one that's probably more able to stand up at the blueline, prevent entries, and still recover- that is able to get back faster, retrieve pucks/dump ins and start the transition faster - get the puck to Hughes faster, require Hughes to defend less. I'm not saying Schenn doesn't make the most of what he has to offer, bu there are just limits to his footspeed that I think you want an upgrade in in a partner for Hughes. In 5 games to end this season - imo it didn't really matter - but I'd be very surprised and borderline shocked if the end of this season indicated Benning/Green et al leaning towards pencilling Schenn into the top 6 next year. Really like him - but I think more realistically he'd be part of a dedicated 3rd pairing - replacement pairing - with a relatively strict shutdown task - not as a partner for Hughes - ie if the Canucks were to face injuries to Tanev, Stecher, Biega, UFA signing etc, next year, perhaps Schenn moving up to the 3rd pairing (from Utica) alongside a Hutton or whomever, might be a more realistic trajectory.
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That's not how I'd describe Nelson, wouldn't be my choice of comparables, but I suppose you can see similarites in work ethic, two-way game.... I wouldn't be signing Nelson to play 3C - not at all my point. The Canucks don't need that type of center - Sutter, Beagle, and Gaudette developing - Madden in the system. One difference between Horvat and Nelson - Nelson is a 47.7% faceoff guy. Another is that Nelson has/does also play wing. Nelson took considerably more draws this year - upticked on career 46% faceoffs - but imo is a good candidate to play on EP's wing - at least on an interim basis - and a guy that would represent an upgrade on Pettersson when it came to situations like dzone draws - where he's bigger, stronger and more experienced - and has the ability to handle down-low duties of a center - whereas EP is a very mindful defensive player, but still slight and not necessarily someone you want dealing with constant battles down behind his own net. This is why I prefer a player that brings the specific complement of things that Nelson does. True - Lee is a 'natural' LW that brings comparable production, but I'm looking at Nelson instead because he brings the upside with some specific support elements that could help enable EP imo. Perhaps Lee is also a good fit. The Islanders are a team that runs with about 7 natural centers in their lineup - so the point is 'comparable' in that sense - I'm of the opinion that it's never a problem having a pair of natural centers share a line.
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I love the "big picture" questions lol. No shortage of irony there. "What is the timeline on when this team could be great?" "Next year, like in the 'big picture'?" Kudos to Green for his patience. Short answer - asking for a timeline pretty much indicates that the person asking the question doesn't get the 'big picture'.