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  1. I think when the Kings won their cup in 2012 Bettman got cheered (or at least didn't get booed)
  2. I don't get this comment. Vegas had to build a team also. And almost everyone predicted Vegas would be bottom the league in their inaugural season. So they were not gifted a great team because, on paper, no one was giving them a chance. The team just gelled together since the beginning and built it from there.
  3. Inheriting the team is a normal occurrence though. Gillis had the core but Benning had some high 1st round picks in his first few years as GM. And I do feel Gillis employed a lot of techniques that help the teams perform better at a higher level and was able to make Vancouver a destination for free agents at team friendly deals. Gillis problem was that after 2011 he became more reactive and tried to follow the Boston model by all of a sudden going for size. And then the goalie controversy happened. I think both Gillis and Benning left the farm system depleted and the Canucks were ranked one of the worst in prospects before both left. The only difference is that Benning left with a younger core (but younger doesn't always mean better if there's no culture in place to support them) but also left the team with some brutal contracts. So I think both are equal there so what's really left now is the results which Gillis has an advantage of.
  4. B..b..b.b..but Benning said 2 years ago Canucks are ready to contend now
  5. Can't we all just agree that Benning was an awful GM so we can have world peace ? Just imagine how much meat and potatoes will we make for those North American hearts
  6. For the record I do not dislike Benning. He has this folksy old town hockey personality we are nostalgic for but as a GM running an NHL team ... nah
  7. Um are you implying that other teams didn't face the challenges of managing through the pandemic? If you want to write off the 2020-2021 season due to Covid (which is fair) you would have to do the same for the 2019-2020 season. Both years were anomaly years and who knows where the Canucks would have been w/o the pause (they were out of the playoff before everything stopped and were trending down based on their record 10 games before it stopped) and continuing the season in August leads to many factors that you really can't carry over big picture. Then you might want to ask yourself why did Vancouver have it the toughest during the coivd season? Isn't that part of the General Manager and President's job is try to steer the ship during any situation including a pandemic. Other teams seemed to have managed themselves much better than Vancouver did. Why did JT Miller have to speak out in public after the outbreak?, why was Jim Benning so defensive when being interviewed by the media on the situation, why did Nate Schmidt want out of Vancouver? Part of a General Managers job is to ensure the day to day operation run smoothly in every facet of the organization. As for the schedule, teams provide recommendations for the league on the schedule. So it's partly management's responsibility in making the schedule as well. Also the Canucks usually have some really unfavorable schedules it's also up to the Managements job ensuring teams are properly conditioned game in and game out. This is what Gillis did as the GM he knew the Canucks had some of the longest travel schedules among any teams so he focused on sleep doctors, nutrition, and other sciences to help the players. Benning did nothing to continue the progress and advances made by Gillis with regards to sports science and, dare I say, ran the Canucks like a small town minor league team. Point is the Pandemic happened it affected the Canucks but so did other teams, it's management that has to ensure that the environment and culture is still an efficient and secure and safe one.
  8. Can I ask you a personal question ... why do you always sound so upset. Don't take fandom too seriously the last thing we want to be are Star Wars level of fandom, Benning missed 2 out of the 3 seasons due to covid and then goal tending. I think we a few more excuses to realize things are starting to become just that, excuses. Also Covid isn't an excuse because other teams also had to endure the pandemic just like the Canucks. Benning has more than enough time to build a team even if he had little assets when he started 8 years is enough to at least build a respectable farm system with much better depth. Look at the Devils you see their current roster now they have twice the players the Canucks have in the main roster that were drafted by them in 2014 or later. And I don't believe Benning had no trade chips I mean he got a 1st and 3rd round pick for Kesler, and a 2nd for Garrisson ... admittedly those are pretty good hauls but of course he squandered those picks. Also players like Vrbata, Miller, Hamhius, and Edler all amounted to 0 assets. And the picks Benning gave up for guys like Prust, Gudbransson, Sutter, etc. You think these are small things but basically, as Thomas Drance would say, death by a thousand cuts. You inflict all these little things on the team and evetually they accumulate. Point is Benning had every opportunity and time to build this team into a respectable one. And all we got to show for it is a bubble playoff run (which I still argue doesn't really count in the grand scheme of things). The bubble happened it was a fun time, but there was really nothing from the bubble you could really carry over moving forward.
  9. I honestly think he's related to Benning for some reason or Benning himself
  10. If what Gillis did was so easy why did Nonis get fired? Why didn't ownership just say he "with this team anyone could build a contender, let's just let Nonis keep his job". Benning had 8 years to rebuild the team. Prospects or no, you would think some progress would have achieved in both building a playoff team and the farm system. So Benning was left with nothing, it's not like he left the organization better off. Canucks are currently ranked 3rd last in prospects (https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/) and the team has not made the playoffs in 3 years. You would think 7 or 8 years results would have been better.
  11. Yes. I honestly think most fans here have some sort ot PTSD due to poor drafting the the moment a Canucks GM can draft some players in the first round that are NHL stars some people here are like *OMG he drafted four players ... GEeATest GeneRAL ManAGEr of ALL Timez"
  12. I recall some discussion on Sportsnet 650 a few months back. It's not that Garland doesn't have value it's more that Canucks are having cap problems and all teams know the situation the Canucks are in. Garland is a good player but probably a million dollars overpaid, teams know this and Canucks are in no position to leverage on this deal. Teams aren't going to give Vancouver an asset to get Garland knowing how the team needs to desperately shed off cap. With this an the cap not going very high. No team is going to help Vancouver at best teams will probably offer a late round pick, at worst, maybe a pick swap like Vancouver gives up Garland and a 2nd Round Pick and the other team gives up a 3rd and 5th round pick.
  13. Everytime someone mentions his name a kitten dies That's why I just post this
  14. I am done I will just reply on the last part. There's a difference between having hockey playing experience and having hockey management experience. Sedins probably weren't looking things in a analytical perspective (analytics, contract, the salary cap etc.) they saw a good player. This was the problem with Benning, I can awknowledge that he was a hockey guy the black and blue Don Cherry type hockey that people romanticize about. Problem is on ice experience the eye test doesn't always paint an accurate picture.There is no correlation with on ice experience with being a successful manager if so Wayne Gretzky wouldn't have drafted Kyle Turris. And for every HOFer turned hockey executive like Yzerman there's also Ken Holland ( a person who didn't have much experience playing in the NHL). Point is I think you are dismissing the difficulty curve in transitioning from being a NHL player to managing an NHL team. It's a whole different thing and a position the Sedins, at the time, had very little knowledge of and were just getting their feet wet. This is why I think that baseball movie starring Clint Eastwood (Trouble with the Curve) is one of the dumbest sports movies I've ever seen. You need real management people to run an organization. I think that is the mistake we made in the Benning regime, we all thought a "hockey guy" is what the Canucks need. Probably PTSD from Gillis but Gillis did a good job in actual organizational maintenance until he jumped the shark himself.
  15. I guess regular season results is the easiest to measure because all 32 teams participate in the regular season. Plus it's easier to measure w/o context, people can make fun of Kyle Dubas of never having a team that made it past the 1st round (except this year) but it's hard to measure, in raw numbers, that since the Leafs also were elimnated by teams that ended up making it to the finals (mostly).
  16. and you round that off it's 2/10. Then you deduct the high Canadian taxes it's closer to 1.5/10
  17. Well no one is saying ... gee I hope my team aspires to be the Wild
  18. Well the New York Rangers alone could probably fill a half or a third of an American team. So I can see the US being able to build 2 teams especially since they can already fill each team with elite goaltending. Team A Hellebuyck Gibson Campbell Team B Oettinger Demko Swayman
  19. It doesn't look much better if you sort it based on Playoffs appearances or best finish though
  20. This is the only thing that matters Thank god Rutherford isn't the GM of the Canucks eh
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