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Yes let's not give him a nickname until we know what he's capable of. Unless we want to repeat the same mistakes of Schroeder-man or the American Express Line
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But where do we draw the line when we determine the core is "still young" to "this core just can't get it together". There has to come a point when this becomes a realization, Edmonton was going to reach that point until they hit the McDavid sweep steaks. Buffalo has already reached that point since they've already traded away Reinhart and Eichel. We also have to consider this young core is going to get more expensive. And with no playoff success so far and lack of prospects, there's a chance these guys are going to demand more money knowing they have the leverage over Vancouver. It would have been nice if Benning with his 1st overall picks also was able to assemble a winning team, that way maybe some of these players will take a hometown discount. But as we've seen in Free Agency, if you aren't a playoff team or a contender you attract (or resign players) by paying a little extra. To me if these players become too expensive without much success to show for it's probably better to move on from them. Maybe not everyone perhaps the younger players can still do something here but Horvat, Boeser, Miller I am not sure.
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[Signing] Canucks sign Andrei Kuzmenko
iinatcc replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Yep my worry is that we are all going to start calling him the next Panarin On the other hand we'd all be calling him the next Shipachyov if he signed with the Oilers lol -
[Signing] Canucks sign Andrei Kuzmenko
iinatcc replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Shouldn't we see what he can really do in the NHL first ? -
[Signing] Canucks sign Andrei Kuzmenko
iinatcc replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I was worried Canucks might have overpaid to sign him then I remember Benning is no longer the GM -
[Report] Stars hire Peter DeBoer as head coach
iinatcc replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
Man ... Who knows what else they do together too -
Point about Gillis both can be true. But what does it say about Benning (who claims to come from a scouting background) that he left the Canucks with a prospect pool as bad as Gillis? Plus aside from Rathbone or maybe Lockwood who else do the Canucks have? While I am sure you can name a few more I am sure it pales in comparison to most of the teams in the league (hence Canucks were ranked 28th in the article) Also a relatively young core with a culture of losing isn't exactly a recipe of success. Case in point Edmonton or Buffalo. And it probably attributes to the "country club" culture being reported right now
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These say otherwise https://theathletic.com/2988312/2022/01/14/wheelers-2022-nhl-prospect-pool-rankings-no-28-vancouver-canucks/ https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/canucks-hockey/in-a-twist-of-irony-benning-leaves-next-canucks-gm-a-near-empty-prospect-cupboard-4833869 And this has been a talking point in Sportsnet 650
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I've acknowledged this. But you would think even so by year 7 or 8 of Benning's time, the team would have been good enough to either make the playoffs or have a prospect pool that isn't bone dry (due to giving up draft picks). Problem with Benning is mostly the team wasn't trending up under him. Even if Gillis miatakes impacted the first few years, the team should have been further along then they currently are
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Gillis didn't draft Juolevi, Virtanen, traded away McCann and Forsling. In addition he was not the one that missed out on the 2nd round in 2017 despite having two picks, and as well as his 2nd round pick the season after. Yes you can blame Gillis for the lack of development of prospects but Benning hasn't done a good job either. Besides the goalies who was properly developed that came from the Canuck's farm system under Benning's time? The funny thing about Benning is that the one he has done a better job than Tamps is drafting in the 1st round. Pettersson, Hughes, McCann and potentially Podkolzin were better than what Yzerman (when he was the Bolt's GM) picked in the 1st round. What Tampa did so much better was in everything else, even if their 1st round picks didn't hit, they got some good returns from that also from Dourin and Namestnikov that ended up being important pieces in their current cup wins. Plus a combination of good team friendly deals + successful later round picks (Kucherov, Point, Palat, Killorn, and Cirelli) make up their lack of success in the area Benning was actually better in.
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Well no matter what Gillis did Benning had 8 years to make something out of the team. A contender? Probably not but 2 playoff appearances in 8 years (one being the bubble year) and missing the last two years is not a good look. Two quote from people in Sportsnet (well paraphrasing) Shane Malloy - You don't have to hit a home run all the time (since Tampa has had their misses), but you can't keep stepping on landmines either (which I assume was Benning). Thomas Drance - in Benning's time the team had 3 high (10 or higher) 1st round picks that netted 0 value to the team (Virtanen, Juolevi, and the OEL/Garland trade). These two statements more or less sums up the disaster of Benning's tenue.
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If he was going to be a backup you would think he was probably only going to get around 1 Million per season. Switzerland is a pretty sweet deal since he will most likely be a starter plus you can basically from one side of Switzerland to another in a span of 2 to 3 hours (I took a train from the Northern to Southern part of Switzerland and took around 3 hours I think). So this basically means road games is just a comfy bus ride (with some nice scenery of the Alps). Also quality of life is quite good there plus living in Switzerland I am sure the pay is very good. So less travel + good nature (and Skiing) + quality of life + very good pay. Seems like a good deal to me.
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[Rumour] John Gibson open to being dealt
iinatcc replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Remember how I brought the cap hit in some message board or Facebook I don't remember. Leafs fans were quick to point out they don't see any future cap problems because the cap was going to go up anyways. I guess they might have been right, until Covid happened. -
[Signing] Canucks sign Filip Johansson
iinatcc replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
In a year were all going to say he's better than Adam Fox -
Not sure if I heard any solid proof on Gaudette's part and as for McCann I don't remember Bartkowski's mom naming names. My point is, I find convenient how we like to cherry pick which rumors to believe. We can't trust TSN or Sportsnet or we should be skeptical about Nick Kypreos ... but Bartkowski's mom legit source.
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Benning also burned a lot of draft capital not just before but this year, leaving the prospect pool pretty dry. Having a good core is good but the lack of draft picks has lead to either lack of players in the system to help support the core or lead to overpaying for these supporting players. Tampa's strength is that they could always replace certain players with guys in their system, something Benning never bothered to do.
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When you are lucky too many times, it's probably not considered luck anymore. At this point it's called good judgment. And yes you are right, Tampa's "wins" were anomalies as well as potentially 3 cups in a row in a Hard cap world. So yeah Tampa is doing what other teams aren't doing as well. Signing elite players to good deals, drafting well, and making good key trades. Tampa basically has the midas touch. I dare any team that can sign a player of Hedman's caliber to a long term deal under 8 Million, that's a genius move by the organization. Kucherov making 1.5 Million less than guys like Marner, that's a picasso. Also even if Tampa was mediocre for a spell they still made it to the playoffs more often than they didn't. So a combination of a winning culture + doing everything right outside the rink was the key to Tampa's success.