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I get your perspective Baggins. I think they dont make the trade say if Jake goes down and Brock is healthy. Toffoli was brought here to fill in on top line because coach/manager dont trust Jake on top line long term with the season on the line. We can agree to disagree. Its why I enjoy coming here and having these exchanges, and appreciate it when discussion can be had without insults! lol
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According to 1040 JB may have no choice but to stand down. They might not be able to afford SImmonds because Boeser might be back before end of season. Something to do with Cap, the LTIR , and simmonds contract. The math cant add up unless they get rid of someone.
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i get exactly what you are trying to say, its a net overall loss. Sure it is. The posters I was arguing with above were implying that Jake is at least as good as Boeser...if that was the case there was no need to go out and get a Toffoli calibre player to play on the top line. If management thought this then they could have easily given Jake the 1RW reigns and patched that third line wing position up for 20 games. - no need to give up the valuable currency they did. Fact is they dont trust him on that 1rw position with the season on the line.
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sorry man, im not buying it. Third line winger could have been patched for the rest of the season...its not like we are talking 82 games here...no need to spend considerable assets on Toffoli if management viewed Jake as a viable replacement for 1st line RW. Fact of the matter is Coach and or Mangagement dont seem to want Jake on that top line. The reasons for this could be many and are debatable. Sure he could play there...but with the season on the line they dont trust him. Proof will be in the pudding going forward. I doubt Jake moves off of the third line.
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I agree with many things you say about other subjects but I think you are out to lunch on this one. 4 goals in his remaining 26 games when his career ppg is higher than that. You extrapolate him not scoring since november but wont do the same with Jake who has gone MIA again...1 point in last 8 games. You also give Jake the benefit of the doubt that he will improve but the younger brock wont. Then why did management trade for Toffoli if Jake was a realistic alternative? If Jake could produce like Brock and is supposedly superior in many other areas wouldnt it be a no brainer to put him on the first line instead of spending organizational assets to fill in the hole in Brock's absence? Think about it. They gave up a top prospect and a second rounder because Brock got injured - Benning basically said that BBs injury triggered the deal. If Jake was the superior player he would be on the top line and there would have been no need to pay a price to fill in the hole. Even if they wanted to bring Toffoli here, regardless of Brock's health, why not put Toffoli on the second line and play Jake on the first? They dont trust him, they dont think they can process the game at a first line level...whatever the reason...they just dont want him on the first line. Either they are out to lunch on this or you are....i think you know where I stand :-) Sorry stawns, i dont trust your assessment here. Despite what you say you havent liked this kid from the start. You were calling for him to be in Utica since he got here. They can get cap space without trading a core piece. And yes they do consider him an important piece because look at what they just spent to get a rental to fill the hole his absence has created.
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But this is my point - if management saw Jake as a viable option for that first line i highly doubt they would have paid so much to get a potential rental just to fill in that first line rw Benning basically said that the trade was instigated by BB's injury. We can infer that the trade would not have happened if BB didnt get injured. Mangement simply dont see Jake as a long term solution for line 1.
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now here is the important question. Brock is gone/injured. Why didnt they just put Jake there? They traded some good assets to get a replacement for BB - Benning basically said they made the trade for Toffoli when they knew Brock was out for a while. If Jake is just as good, or can score like you think he would, why would the org spend all those assets on what looks like a rental when the solution (Jake) is sitting right under their nose. Its a free solution...why not? In fact, Toffoli even has good chemistry with Pearson. They could easily put him on the second line and Jake on the first...so why dont they put Jake on the first? Could it be that they dont trust him to play on the first line? Could it be that they dont think he can process the game at first line player level (like Brock does) Jake has 1 point in the last 8 games where he played a good amount of time with the top line btw.
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[Speculation] Canucks interested in Wayne Simmonds
Darius replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Talking heads on 1040 in the last hour suggesting there may be more to this than just a prospect for SImmonds trade. They talked about multiple players involved perhaps alleviating some Cap issues for the Canucks. Ie Canucks give NJ better assets and NJ takes on a bad contract... Not mentioning names because I think they are making the names up lol. -
[PGT] Minnesota Wild at Vancouver Canucks | Feb. 19, 2020
Darius replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
i cant disagree with this...i think my post above was meant to be positive but if I examine the cold hard facts (from my subjective viewing experience of the games that is) i think you are correct. i think of it this way too. How easy would it have been to put Toffoli on that second line and Jake on the first line. Toffoli has a history with Pearson, they played great together in the past. If the brains behind the operations (management and coaches) thought Jake was a legit option for line 1 it would have been so easy to put Jake on line 1 and Tyler on line2. Even if they didnt bring Toffoli here as a brock replacement (as benning conceded), their line combos say a lot about where they think Jake is at. -
[PGT] Minnesota Wild at Vancouver Canucks | Feb. 19, 2020
Darius replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
yeah im on the fence...im not saying I agree with what i think management is doing (not trusting jake etc). and for all we know Jake might keep improving year after year. I hate to say this...I just dont know if Jake has it in him to keep up (game processing wise) with that top line , night in and night out. Could be a fantastic fore checker, north south defensive sort of guy that can pop you 20 goals a year...but top line...im not so sure. -
[PGT] Minnesota Wild at Vancouver Canucks | Feb. 19, 2020
Darius replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I think the recent trade and the line configurations strongly indicate that Management and coaches simply dont trust Jake. The way I see it is this....if they viewed Jake as a legit option for that top line would they have spent considerable organizational currency to get Toffoli for what looks like might be a rental? If they viewed Jake as an appropriate fit in for the last 25 or so games I doubt they would have traded one of their top prospects and a second rounder. to get a fill in for Boeser. Benning basically came out in his press conference and conceded the trade was made to fill in the hole created by the absence of BB. They also dont trust him on the second line either. That line is hinged to all of the important matchup duties and in my opinion coaches and management dont trust Jake to put him there. Its not like they dont have the opportunity to play him on the second line. I think if/when BB comes back we will see BB on the top line and Toffoli on the second line. Jake will just live on the third line, which is a good option because him and Gaudette seem to work well together, especially against the other teams lesser d men and checking forwards. -
lol, talk about embellishing...in danger of not hitting 20....he has 16 goals, you really think he wouldnt have scored 4 times in the last almost 30 games? question for you - do you think Jake will hit Brock's point total this year - even with Brock out for like 25 games....with one point in last 8 games it looks doubtful eh? Kid putting up .84ppg between ages 20 and 21 and hes not worth what he is getting paid...ok.... Toffoli is 27 years old....i would rather keep Brock - 5 years younger and already has put up more goals in a year than Toffoli has in his whole career except once. Doubtful Toffoli will keep producing for the next 5 years like Brock will. In 5-6 years Brock will be likely worth more than Toffoli in a trade. Thats when you unload him, not now. Im not worried about cap space, the fodder will be gone soon..Loui, Sutter etc etc, cap will also go up. Trading Brock for a first will unlikely produce a player like Brock, even though you have been trying to get rid of the kid since day one I dont think JB would do this.
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Making the NHL and becoming a top line player are two different things. So you would trade Boeser for a "chance" at number one. If he is injury prone and on his way downhill as you are implying why the hell would the other team not just keep their chance at #1. Yet he went on to become the Calder runner up. Even with a supposed bad wrist he was on pace for 25 goals. If someone like Jake gets 25 goals there will be a parade, Brock puts up those numbers - trade him, Why? Go look at Letang's record on db. Guy has been injured for like a decade. I wonder if the fans there lost patience with him after 2.5 years. Lol. What astounds me is the cuthroat attitude among some in the fan base. Kid has put up phenomenal numbers, relative to his peers and players in his age group who have been drafted by this team in 50 years...has a mediocre (by his standards) 3 months...a really rough time in his personal life (which some care not to factor in) gets injured and there are calls to cut the rope and get rid of him....after less than 3 years. I think what has happened is that EP and QH has spoiled us and clouded our vision of what development trajectores of 20-22 year olds normally look like.
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[PGT] Minnesota Wild at Vancouver Canucks | Feb. 19, 2020
Darius replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Dont see it happening Jimmy. Bo is gonna be matched up against the Bergeron line. No way Green puts Mac on that line, he seems to trust Loui more. What I dont get is why not put Motte on that line. If Green is so worried about defensive abilities of the player, Motte has shown he can play that role and probably has better offensive upside than Loui at this point. -
You are all over the map here Lazurus. Now you are bringing in a #1 overall pick into this.... Regarding injuries. Im not willing to write off the kid after 3 years. First year injury was a freak accident. Last couple years could be an aberration, who knows. Using your line of thinking Pittsburgh should have unloaded guys like Malkin and Letang because they have been injured for long periods of time for like 8 years in a row. How long have you been watching this team. I can tell you this...you wont find many players we have drafted, in 50 years, that have been able to produce like BB has in his first few years here. You just dont throw that out the window when he is 22 years old with the hopes that you draft another guy that can produce. The problem with your line of thinking is that you think top 10 picks are a sure thing. Fact of the matter is there is always an element of crap shoot involved no matter how good the GM is at picking.
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lol...regressed? at worst he has leveled off. And you should know that part of the reason is because he went from being able to hide behind the sedins in year one to becoming one of the two primary point getters on the team in year two. Its what happens when you are only 21 years old and basically "you are the guy" and everybody and their dog on the other team zeros in on you. Funny how you have given jake 6 years to become a semi consistent 40 point guy (maybe) but Brock needs to be shuffled out the door after 3 years because even though he is younger than Jake he wont improve. Meantime Jake is still developing. Lol.
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[PGT] Minnesota Wild at Vancouver Canucks | Feb. 19, 2020
Darius replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
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[PGT] Minnesota Wild at Vancouver Canucks | Feb. 19, 2020
Darius replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
They need another point producing D man that can transition the puck. Too many plays die on the D's sticks and they treat the puck like a grenade in their own zone. Where would they be without Hughes? Nice to have Motte back.... -
[GDT] Wild @ Nucks - Feb 19 2020 - 7:30pm Pacific - SNET
Darius replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
EP Miller Toffoli Im guessing -
[GDT] Wild @ Nucks - Feb 19 2020 - 7:30pm Pacific - SNET
Darius replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
Love Bo But Miller looks like the captain out there...