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So you think that Tkachuk and Marchand cannot be as effective without being rats? Sorry but im not buying it. I think the opposite is true in many cases. Look at the negative attention this brings to the team and look at what Tkachuk's team mates may potentially deal with now that the situation has been escalated. For a guy that likes to take the moral ground you sure like to defend these guys, lol. Edit: ps Claude did get destroyed....look at that fist game vs Detroit after he almost killed Draper......he was beat to a pulp...
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Pittsburgh also had Matt Cooke one year. Was Cooke the reason they won? You have to show that dirty play is a significant ingredient to winning a cup. Im not talking about Maroon throwing his body around...im talking Claude Lemieux like behaviour of attempting to injure guys as a beneficial trait for a stanley cup winning team.
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a lot of teams have some sort of disliked player. this means nothing. i mean for every marchand we can point to an avery that never got anywhere. being rat or a dirty player brings a minimal element to a stanley cup winning team in comparison to all of the other ingredients involved in winning the cup.
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i think most of the guys you list were on teams that would have won cups regardless of their presence on their teams. its not like the ratness was the reason for the cup. I mean did Brad Marchand really win that cup in 2011 by being a jerk?
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rowdy must be having a hard time with the current canucks team. mostly honorable young guys who dont invite the gutter play...
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like 100 to 1 maybe?
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you can be effective and win cups without being a rat that is generally disliked around the league.
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One of the best lines from ex Ref Stewarts blog post: This isn't Tkachuk's first rodeo. He knew what he was doing, who he was hitting, and what the response was going to be. The very reason why Claude Lemieux was so widely hated and disrespected around the game was for actions like these, followed by turtling to avoid accountability.
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Ex Ref Paul Stewart chimes in here.....basically stating what most of the poster in this thread think....(along with a bunch of ex players and current game commentators) https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Paulbr-Stewart/Tkachuk-Kassian-and-the-Aggressor-Rule/196/103704 Rather long so ill put in spoiler
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fair enough. here is where i think we differ the most. The reason Kassian could have hurt Tkachuk was because MT did not defend himself. MT is perfectly capable of fighting. When Kassian dropped the gloves he certainly knew what he was in for. He did not defend himself because of his strategy to "take one for the team" and to emphasize Kassian's role as the aggressor for the purpose of getting a power play. At that point he seemed less worried about the consequences of Kassian;s actions (potential injury) than you seem to be since he put up zero defence.. He poked the bear (3 different times to get a reaction) and allowed himself to get beatup on purpose. Thats how I see it.... .
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haha I just realized that these two words sum up my long diatribe above....
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What is even more amusing is people that say "yeah you would love him if he was a Canuck"....as if the player cannot be criticized. Would I like a 70pt winger on the team, sure. Would I like a guy to act like an arse and attempt to injure other players...no. I thought Matt Cooke was an idiot and I cringed at some of Burrows and Keslers antics. And quite honestly when i examine Burrows and Kesler's long careers i dont recall as many attempts to injure as Tkachuk has already committed in the past 3 years. Its obvious if he put on a Canuck jersey he would get more support, but thats what fans do - they usually give the benefit of the doubt to a player on their favorite team. That doesnt mean that fans cannot be critical of guys like Marchand, Tkachuk etc . The difference is Tkachuk instigated the whole situation by going out of his way to blind side Kassian multiple times. Its not like Kassian jumped innocent Johnny Gaudreau. Even though the hits on Kassian were deemed to be "clean" several hockey players and analysts have come out stating that the plays were dirty. The actions of a winger (MT) leaving his position to go out of his way to blind side a player already engaged with a defenceman behind a visual obstruction (the net) are viewed as less than honorable - if everyone did it there would be far more injuries. Tkachuck played dirty, in the end he got his lunch fed to him. As a fan i think that the constructs of the game that are supposed to deter the actions of Tkachuk were deficient so in my mind the only avenue left as a deterrent was for the player to police the game himself. Tkachuk knew what he was doing. He didnt even have the honour to drop the gloves and defend himself - in my mind that makes him even more of a rat. You talking down to people (sorry to sound harsh but i think thats what you are doing here) about how they should perceive the situation doesnt change how fans usually pick sides and define an antagonist and a protagonist in every controversial situation.
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Spector has an interesting article on sportsnet right now quoting other players from other teams regarding the antics by Tkachuk. Basically its a gutless move to leave your position as a winger and blind side a guy who is in a puck battle behind the net ...where the player is engaged by a D man and the net acts as a visual obstruction. Spector is a clown but his points make sense.
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if that was Burrows or Kesler running at a flame tough player and then they refused to drop the gloves ... i can only imagine what Flames fans would be saying. Funny how they spent years crying about Burrows and Kesler and calling the Sedins soft....and here they are with guys like Johnny and softer than Charmin Monahan with Tkachuck running around behind them.
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[GDT] Nucks @ Wild Jan 12, 2020 - 1pm Pacific - SNET
Darius replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
The weasel tkatchuk was smart and knew which buttons to push. He targeted kass knowing he would lose his cool. Knowing how to manipulate certain players is a characteristic of a good rat and I wouldn’t be surprised if daddy tkatchuk is feeding Matty boy some pointers. the difference is I think ol man tkatchuk would have answered the bell eventually. i was disappointed that zack fell for the tactics but it was satisfying seeing the rag dolling. -
[GDT] Nucks @ Sabres Jan 11 2020 - 10AM Pacific - SNET
Darius replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
It’s an illusion... you need a different angle of the shot! -
[GDT] Nucks @ Sabres Jan 11 2020 - 10AM Pacific - SNET
Darius replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
I’m getting old. my eyes are not good. does that black puck disappear under Red Cross bar? i need some glasses from buffalo I think -
[GDT] Nucks @ Sabres Jan 11 2020 - 10AM Pacific - SNET
Darius replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
Yawn comes into the opposing teams forum and calls people homers -
[GDT] Nucks @ Sabres Jan 11 2020 - 10AM Pacific - SNET
Darius replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
F off -
[GDT] Nucks @ Sabres Jan 11 2020 - 10AM Pacific - SNET
Darius replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
Check brocks shot! -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Florida Panthers | Jan. 09, 2020
Darius replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
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[GDT] Nucks @ Panthers Jan 9 2020 - 4pm Pacific - SNET
Darius replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
Marky’s vezina calibre Performances masked a lot of holes in the past couple weeks. Getting constantly outshot and playing 5 man box defence night after night was bound to catch up. still need a couple top 6 forwards and at least another offensively minded point generating d man in the top 4 -
[GDT] Nucks @ Panthers Jan 9 2020 - 4pm Pacific - SNET
Darius replied to xereau's topic in Canucks Talk
No need to pick on one guy they all look terrible. -
Podz still ranks pretty high in Buttons latest NHL affiliates prospects rankings. #14 This includes players from multiple drafts. https://www.tsn.ca/russian-players-dominate-top-spots-in-tsn-s-ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1424251
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[Discussion] Canuck’s Prospect Rankings #1-10
Darius replied to Odjick the Warrior's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Dont want to create a new thread for this since it looks relevant to this thread. This is Button's latest NHL affiliated prospect list. In the recent past we have had Boeser, Hughes, Pettersson rank pretty high on Craig's list. Top Canuck prospect is ranked at 14th...we have 3 in the top 50....compare that to Edmonton and Calgary that have jack squat 0 in the top 50 :-) Also interesting that when he ranks the prospects for each Canadian team Rafferty is 4th for the Canucks...nice pickup by JB. https://www.tsn.ca/russian-players-dominate-top-spots-in-tsn-s-ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1424251 TOP 50 NHL-AFFILIATED PROSPECTS 2019 2020 NAME AGE NHL TEAM 2019-20 TEAM GP G P 10 1 Igor Shesterkin, G 24 NYR Hartford (AHL) 23 1.93 .932 2 2 Grigori Denisenko, RW 19 Fla Yaroslavl (KHL) 27 4 8 3 Bowen Byram, D 18 Col Vancouver (WHL) 27 3 19 14 4 Kirill Kaprizov, LW/RW 22 Min Moscow (KHL) 39 19 37 19 5 Alexander Romanov, D 20 Mtl Moscow (KHL) 33 0 4 26 6 Rasmus Sandin, D 19 Tor Toronto (AHL) 19 2 12 7 Jan Jenik, C 19 Ari Hamilton (OHL) 27 22 56 8 Trevor Zegras, C 18 Ana Boston U (NCAA) 16 5 17 9 Dylan Cozens, C 18 Buf Lethbridge (WHL) 30 20 46 10 Cole Caufield, RW 19 Mtl Wisconsin (NCAA) 18 12 20 11 Spencer Knight, G 18 Fla Boston C (NCAA) 15 1.73 .940 12 Ivan Prosvetov, G 20 Ari Tuscon (AHL) 15 2.38 .931 9 13 Ilya Sorokin, G 24 NYI Moscow (KHL) 29 1.62 .930 14 Vasili Podkolzin, RW 18 Van St. Petersburg (VHL) 16 3 8 15 Alex Turcotte, C 18 Los Wisconsin (NCAA) 16 6 15 16 Arthur Kaliyev, RW 18 Los Hamilton (OHL) 33 31 62 17 Nick Robertson, RW 18 Tor Peterborough (OHL) 23 23 37 18 Samuel Fagemo, RW 19 Los Frölunda (SHL) 20 6 11 19 Connor McMichael, C 18 Wsh London (OHL) 27 25 59 20 Thomas Harley, D 18 Dal Mississauga (OHL) 37 16 39 21 Ville Heinola, D 18 Wpg Lukko (SM Liiga) 21 2 7 22 Nils Lundqvist, D 19 NYR Lulea (SHL) 24 4 17 23 Justus Annunen, G 19 Col Karpat (SM Liiga) 13 1.26 .947 11 24 Erik Brannstrom, D 20 Ott Belleville (AHL) 6 1 8 25 Moritz Seider, D 18 Det Grands Rapids (AHL) 28 1 12 26 Peyton Krebs, C 18 VGK Winnipeg (WHL) 17 3 22 27 Alexander Khovanov, C 19 Min Moncton (QMJHL) 26 20 53 28 Matias Macelli, LW 19 Ari Tampere (SM Liiga) 26 10 25 29 Joel Hofer, G 19 StL Portland (WHL) 27 1.81 .937 40 30 Owen Tippett, RW 20 Fla Springfield (AHL) 38 14 30 31 Victor Soderstrom, D 18 Ari Brynas (SHL) 15 2 9 32 Lassi Thomson, D 19 Ott Tampere (SM Liiga) 23 6 10 37 33 Morgan Frost, C 20 Phi Lehigh Valley (AHL) 19 6 14 13 34 Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, G 20 Buf Cincinnati (ECHL) 18 2.08 .919 35 Nils Hoglander, LW 19 Van Rogle (SHL) 19 6 9 1 36 Vitali Kravtsov, RW 20 NYR Hartford (AHL) 13 2 4 33 37 Alexander Alexeyev, D 20 Wsh Hershey (AHL) 35 1 14 38 Nolan Foote, LW 19 Tam Kelowna (WHL) 25 15 33 39 Hugo Alnefelt, G 18 Tam HV71 (SHL) 8 1.95 .920 40 Tyler Madden, C/RW 20 Van Northeastern (NCAA) 20 15 29 41 Phillip Tomasino, C/RW 18 Nsh Niagara (OHL) 36 22 57 42 Jacob Bernard-Docker, D 19 Ott North Dakota (NCAA) 17 3 14 43 K'Andre Miller, D 19 NYR Wisconsin (NCAA) 18 6 11 44 Josh Norris, C 20 Ott Belleville (AHL) 34 19 32 45 Jack Studnicka, C 20 Bos Providence (AHL) 36 14 26 46 Jack Dugan, C 21 VGK Providence (NCAA) 21 7 37 47 Liam Foudy, LW 19 Clb London (OHL) 20 13 26 48 Ty Dellandrea, C 19 Dal Flint (OHL) 27 17 37 44 49 Akil Thomas, C/RW 20 Los Niagara (OHL) 27 15 44 50 Shane Pinto, C/RW 19 Ott North Dakota (NCAA) 18 9 15