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NOt sure I would give up Horvat yet....we still have to stock the cupboard with high end youth or we will be like Calgary for the next decade.. I would give up Hamhuis and Edler for Weber. Both have NTC though. Hammer is a solid player, has team Canada prestige and played in Nashville before...Hamhuis and Nashville might go for it. I would then bring in Corrado or unload Booth's contract in the off season to bring in some high calibre UFA that can fill the hole on D. Nashville might be up for unloading weber now that they have Seth Jones on their blue line.
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Erhoff's strength was rushing the puck up the ice and getting pucks to the net from the point, I think that Salo was the main cog in the machine. As for Garrison - I think you will be waiting a long time for him to figure this out Bob. I just dont think the guy has it. He might win the canuck skills competition for the hardest shot but I am having doubts that he can deliver in game situations. Ive noticed his one timers are terrible...his accuracy depends on stopping the puck first...this gives the goalie and opposing d time to set up.
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Sooner or later those guys were going to depart either because of age (Salo) or because of contract situations (Erhoff). I didnt think Erhoff was worth the money Buffalo game him. Ironic that the only worse pp than Vancouver right now is Buffalo where Erhoff plays. Salo was a key and he needed to be replaced with someone just as competent. Gillis failed. No team, to my knowledge, has won a cup without a D man that can rush the puck, have the ability QB the PP from the point, and play big minutes against the other teams top players. This team will go nowhere without a stud D-man. As much as I like guys like Hamhuis and Tanev and even Garrison, they are not the answer. I thought Edler might morph into that 50+ point stud D man - but he looks like a lost cause right now.
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Salo meant a lot to this team. Even when the Canuck offence was rolling in years past there was an obvious difference in their record when he was out of the lineup. Great first past out of the zone, the ability to one time the puck from the point and actually hit the net, and the ability to calm his d partner down. Very under rated around the league at the time. Salo departs the team - a big hole is there. What does Gillis do? He brings in Garrison who is supposed to punish teams from the point. The guy doesnt look right on the PP. He nearly always has to stop the puck before he shoots it and if he doesnt it either doesnt make it through or he misses completely. V hardly used him on the first unit PP and lots of people were critical of that move...now we know why. This team needs a dependable puck moving d man that can run the point on the PP and can play 20 minutes if need be. That should be their first priority, ahead of a top 6 forward and ahead of anything else....
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[GDT] Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers 7PM Jan 27th
Darius replied to Alex the Great's topic in Canucks Talk
These guys can barely score 2 goals per game and what do they do? They decide to turn the game into a pond hockey game letting the oilers skate up and down at will. Oilers have the worst D in the league. If you constantly pressure them they will cough up the puck....lots. Where was the hitting? How about the rabid forecheck Torts was trying to instill... The top line used to feast on these guys, tonight they made the worst team in the West look like a top 5 team in the conference. But...everything will be ok once the Sedins return to 2011 form, Kesler starts hitting the net with some of those wrist shots that nail the back glass and bounce out of the zone, Burrows gets on a 25 goal pace, Garrison actually replaces some of Salo's defensive and point shot abilities, and Kassian wakes up with the hockey smarts of a veteran...in other words it probably aint gonna happen... -
I predict more fireworks : Kassian might have to answer the bell with someone like Gazdic for breaking Gagner's jaw. The oilers had the whole game the last time they played to get back at Kassian but all they did was yell at him at the end of the game...i think zack stirred the pot a bit by seemingly mocking Gagner for wearing the full face maske...i anticipate some kind of retribution...
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Wow im sure Bouma really scares everyone. LOL. Hey, shouldnt you be more concerned about the fact that your flames have only made it past the first round once in 25 years and have been stuck in the league basement for the better part of a decade? With the likes of Burke bringing in high quality players like westgarth and trying to turn the team into Boston west with about 1/20th the talent you can bet on lounging in the basement and being used as a doormat for years to come.
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Getting O'Reilly would be a great move for this organization. It would be the type of move, if done correctly, that could have a huge impact for this team now and for the future.
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He was one of the best players on the ice. He found the open man several times and was playing with lots of speed attacking the O Zone. If Kesler wasnt so greedy with the puck a couple of times he may have even popped one in too. This is exactly the type of player needed in the playoffs...now if he can only do it on a more consistent basis.
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Anyone who thinks that Hartley had benign motives starting a RW player with 3 career goals at center for the opening shift should read the following article on how he intimidated Scott Parker into fighting and gooning it up. Hartley is a coward and a liar when he claims he had no intentions. Have a read: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=438011
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We might see more of this in Edmonton on Tuesday. With the way that Gazdic and Kassian were yapping at each other because of the Gagner incident there may be more fireworks coming up.
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The fact that he had westgarth, with his 3 NHL goals, on the starting line playing out of position and taking the draw shows that Hartley did not have benign motives. In that whole Calgary lineup (even though they are an AHL team on paper) couldnt they find 3 players that gave them a better chance for a good start to the game? Hartley's intentions were obvious - they wouldnt have jumped the sedins but chances are they would have done their best to run them just like LA tries to do every time they play.
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I agree that BM would not punch out a Sedin. But I find it hard to believe that a guy like Westgarth, Jones or BM would not try and run one of the Sedins. BM ruined Alberts' season with a cheap high hit- its not like he is an angel. The clear message from Burke when he brought in a guy like Westgarth is that one goon isnt enough to play the style of game he wants his team to play. Why was westgarth, with his 3 NHL goals career total, starting at center when he is a right winger? Hartley is a goon coach and he is getting his direction from Burke. I posted this above ... look what Scott Parker said about Hartley intimidating players into fighting and gooning it up: “He was a junior B goalie trying to tell me how to fight. He was always just degrading me. Not to be a (wimp), but he was a bully,” Parker told the Denver Post. “And he could be because he was in a position of authority. What was I supposed to do as a rookie? Go tell him ‘(expletive) you’?
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Some people are forgetting that Hartley is a proven goon coach. Scott Parker came out last year describing how Hartley bullied him into being a goon while he coached the Avalanche. Parker was quoted: In light of this I call bull$hit when Hartley claims there was no alterior motives when he put out an ECHL calibre goon pylon at center (Westgarth), McGratton (who has 7 goals in his whole NHL career) and jones. Westgarth was brought in by Burke for only one reason - its not to score, block shots, use his brains, or back check....
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This kid has the potential to be the best overall player on the Canuck roster. Young, tough, has hands, and good defensively. Who are we kidding...when was the last time a Vancouver GM pulled a trade that brought a young impact player here? You want a cup, you have to pull off ballsy moves like this,
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I think that Edler has much more potential than Hamhuis. Also in light of the pacific division rivals they need a big guy back there that can hit. Edler has it all - hits and can get you near 50 points when he is on. I think that Hamhuis can fetch more and with Tanev emerging and Corrado coming up they can give him up to get a significant piece up front...
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YES! I dont know why everyone is willing to cough up Edler when Hamhuis is also an option. Hamhuis seems to be on a downslide. He has made bad mistakes during critical points in many big games this year. Bad pinches, he seems to trip over his own skates which has lead to many outmanned rushes, has scored on his own net multiple times....I think its hamhuis they should be shopping while he still has "Team Canada" prestige.... Canucks will have to give up a significant core player to get a significant piece in return. Think of the future if Kassian actually develops into a good player...Kassian O'Reilly Horvat Tanev Edler and Shinkaruk can be a great core to build around...
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Would you agree that the NTC makes the player far more difficult to trade, especially to a team that has a worse record than the team he currently plays for (or the team is in an undesireable city to live in)? Do you think that a player like Hamhuis would agree to be traded to Buffalo or Winnipeg? I think that the NTC significantly narrows the pool of teams that Gillis can deal with.
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Hamhuis has been a big disappointment this year and I am astounded he was chosen for team Canada. He has cost the team critical goals during critical times against all the California teams. His boneheaded pinches, tripping over his own skates allowing odd man rushes, and is pretty much useless from the point. I know that he plays alot of minutes but maybe its time to consider moving him while he still has a good reputation, you need to give up something good to get something good in return - a top 6 forward. But oh wait, Gillis gave him a NTC....
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If I were the GM this is the guy I would move for a good forward while he still has a good reputation. I thought his trip that allowed Stoll to score the series ending goal a couple of years ago was an aberration...but if you watch him carefully he makes big blatant mistakes at the worst times. He has cost them several games this year. Not blaming him for the loss, but he is a core player that is very underwhelming this year.
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It would be interesting to see if there has ever been a 7 minute 5 on 3 in NHL history. Canucks lost the game, it wasnt the penalties...but the clown devorski calling one sided multiple 7 minute penalties with an already lopsided score with less than 10 minutes to go is an absolute joke. The fact that he couldnt even call a 2 minute penalty against the Ducks in that whole scrum is a joke.
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Sounds like the purgatory that Calgary has been stuck in for the better part of 2 decades. The other thing that I think needs to be considered is that its possible that the Sedins are tired. Perhaps Torts hasnt factored in the travel in the west coast when piling on the minutes? Also, Burrows might mean more to this team than many people think. I think he is the cog that makes the Sedins elite players.
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At least Boudreau showed class and didnt send out his top pp unit out on the 7 minute 5 on 3. There are some douche coaches that would have done that. I hope this team can retool like Anaheim did. They won the cup, they went on a bit of a downslide after they lost some siginficant pieces, missed the playoffs in the meantime...but with shrewd management, some good draft picks, trades and signings they look like they will win a cup again soon. Does anyone think that Gillis has the ability to turn this ship around?
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Ok, how does Dalpe get time with the Sedins when hes done absolutely nothing and guys like Booth ride the chair in the press box and Kassian doesnt get any time on the top line... The team has gone from a top pp unit to having Bieksa in front of the net and weber on the point. They cant beat any of the the California big dogs in a 7 game series. Gillis traded good assets for long term projects, dont expect much for the next couple of years.
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Why has Booth been up in the press box while guys like Weise, Dalpe etc can continue to do basically nothing for long stretches? Anyhow, lucky for them that Boudreau showed some class and didnt put Getzlaf and Perry on the ice for the last 7 minutes or else we would have been looking at double digits. In over 3 decades of NHL watching ive never seen a 7 minute 2 man advantage. Ok Gillis, your team cant run with the big dogs anymore. They cant beat the california teams and have been swept for two years in a row...what more proof does he need that the core is done. Ball is in your court, please dont make us relive a messier style era again.