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  1. Lind, Gadjovich & Demko aren't fictitious players. Benning has a history of drafting well in the 2nd round. Baer & other Canucks added as part of restock haven't resulted in wins, which was the only reason most of them were brought in. In a rebuild, nothing is more important than draft picks. The only good thing that came out of the retool is that it failed as badly as it could have. Worst team in the league over the last 3 years, so we've been getting the top picks that we needed.
  2. How is saying that he's not a superstar, dumping on him? I like Baertschi too.
  3. Thank god we can't trade 2nd round picks to the KHL. Good to hear though, he's had it rough.
  4. No. Do Baertschi and Vey? Can't brag about our prospect pool then dump on it the next minute.
  5. When you lose an argument but don't want to admit it. Post a gif or meme.
  6. Why do you keep acting like either you have to trade your draft picks for players, or "field" a team of 18 year olds. How does every other rebuilding team manage to "field" a team without trading their draft picks away? OK. Our 2nd round picks under Benning are: Lind, Gadjovich and Demko. Who will have a bigger influence on the Canucks when they're ready to compete. Those guys or Baertschi & Vey? Vancouver has been the WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE over the last 3 years. Sutter, Dorsett, Gudbranson.. they've done nothing to make this team better. I'd rather Benning have more shots at drafting guys like Demko & Tryamkin than adding a 3rd liner that will be gone or at best past his limited prime by the time the team is good. "Go back to PlayStation" "building a team any other way seems an entirely foreign concept to you." Your argument works pretty well against yourself. I like the rebuild method that's won virtually all the Stanley Cups in the cap era. Yet I need to go back to playstation because I don't like the fact that we don't trade for picks when we're rebuilding? OK there bud. Injuries, refs, Bettman, previous regime. The 4 go to excuses for everything on CDC. Getting old. Any success and credit (rightfully) goes to Benning, any failure is not Benning's fault apparently though. Nylander is better than Virtanen, get over it. Hope Virtanen can be a late bloomer and will change that fact. Nylander was invisible last game? Well, he has back to back 20 goal 60 point seasons and you know scoring kind of helps when it comes to winning games, which you need to do to make the playoffs in the first place. He had a bad game though so what a bum though right? He does have 4 points in 7 playoff games and a 61.5 FO% but who cares about that eh. Wait, if Pettersson comes in and plays soft like Nylander is he a bum too? I'm sure Pettersson will be a physical beast though, I think he's up to 170lbs. Yeah too bad we didn't get 90 points to "shove it down my craw." Because that's what fans want around here, miss the playoffs AND get a bad pick. Yeah go leafs go, also go jets go. I cheer for the other Canadian teams as we're not in it.
  7. I'd rather sign some loser 4th liners and sit at the bottom for 3-4 years, than trade picks for some loser 4th liners and sit at the bottom for 3-4 years. No you don't just throw in rookies. Though instead of trading draft picks, the lifeblood of a rebuild... for marginal players that will have no impact on the rebuild. You sign free agents, like we did this last offseason. Sorry Benning loyalists but you don't get to argue that both Benning is great at drafting, but then marginalize draft picks, the most important things in a rebuild. The players we traded for have a chance at being a lot better than the picks we traded? Sorry but who are these great players? Baertschi? Vey? Sutter? Gudbranson? Prust? These guys are better than the guys we're drafting to be our next core? That's pretty ominous for our future. You can't argue that Benning is amazing at drafting, and that our prospect pool looks great... then argue that the 3rd liners we've been trading for are potentially much better then the players we've been drafting. BTW, Benning looks to have drafted a good player with every 2nd round pick he's made for the Canucks. Yet when he trades these picks away, suddenly they have no value?
  8. Four years to add picks and this is what it looks like. Amazing that a team coming off recent back to back President's trophies apparently had 0 assets to give up for a draft pick. Yet the perennially awful Leafs drafted 12 times in the top 100 over 2 seasons.
  9. Yes we have a good prospect pool. If it ends up winning us the cup I'll be very happy to say I was wrong the whole time. If it doesn't make us a legit contender, Benning will be 100% responsible for bleeding assets for a playoff run instead of loading up on picks to make that pool even stronger. I'm not looking at the past or present, I'm looking at the future. Lind Gadjovich Demko How many of Benning's actual 2nd round picks would you trade for a 20something like Baertschi, Vey, Granlund... I'll take those 2nd round picks back please. We don't need Vey, Baer, Granlund, Sutter or Guddy as much as we need more picks for the future of this team. Especially with Benning's 2nd round draft record. If Baer is a key playoff performer for us in the future.. or if he and the other guys I named actually got is into the playoffs over the last 3 years then you'd have a point.
  10. Well you say you're not defending him then go on to defend his two worst moves as GM. If you see no fault there then you simply see no fault and are a loyalist. As far as no other bad moves we did give up a 2nd, 4th & a prospect for a defenseman that brings zero offence and plays questionable D at best and we did sign Sutter to $4.3 million for his 10 goals / year but hey if the Vey trade was good then those moves are grand slam home runs. Really though, I just used Vey & Eriksson as examples. Not expecting anyone to make all the right moves, the problem was bleeding assets for a playoff run that even according to you was obviously going to fail. How did Benning not see this? Now we've apparently embraced the rebuild, yet we've added how many draft picks going into this draft?
  11. Yeah, those 3 teams are the ones to copy. They all had top picks, they all loaded up on picks, and they all had great management that built a winner around those top players. The lottery system has changed, the way to build a winner has not. There will always be anomalies like Boston, I don't think the goal should be to copy the least likely way to win. In 2016 we had a total of 2 picks in the first 4 rounds. If you think that's going full rebuild, we have nothing further to discuss as far as hockey goes. Yes, and you realize the Canucks got VERY lucky to get a player like Boeser late in the 1st round? Just like Chicago did with Keith. Like LA did with Kopitar. Those teams also got top players at or near the top of the draft, hopefully we did as well with Pettersson. You have to be good AND lucky. Imagine how much better our prospect pool would be if went into drafts with 3 or 4 2nd round picks, instead of 0.
  12. I don't know enough about Buffalo, Arizona, Florida & Carolina especially when it comes to their prospect pools. Edmonton is at a completely different stage of their rebuild and a unique case considering that they have McJesus and all those top picks. They should be a really good team and anything other than that is a failure, so their rebuild as of right now is a disaster. We're doing better, though I'd rather want us to be compared to the best not the worst. Also, I'd say that Edmonton's failure is how they went about building (or, not building) a team around their top picks. Vey & Eriksson are parts of a bigger picture. IMO both terrible moves but even if they weren't bad moves, the strategy of targeting old FA's and 20something players to compete now instead of trading for picks, that's where the big failure was. My point? Benning is great at drafting with later picks. In a rebuild, teams load up on picks. Every dynasty built in the cap era loaded up on picks just before their dynasty. Trading picks away for players that will have no impact on the team by the time it's competitive, is terrible. Simply keeping your own picks for a draft isn't rebuilding in any way. Vancouver will be this bad for only so long, it's a rare chance to rebuild. But instead of embracing the suck, and loading up on picks we've been hopelessly trying for the playoffs and wasting assets along the way. They're not positive, they're delusional and agressive in their views as far as interacting on CDC goes. I'm not negative, I'm realistic. I have praised Benning when I like his moves.
  13. No matter where we end up in the standings, how many picks we go into the draft with, how his free agent signings have played... their reaction is always equally positive. So.... unless something works 100% of the time there's no point in doing it? Should we instead look at teams it did work for? 2017 Penguins 2016 Penguins 2015 Blackhawks 2014 Kings 2013 Blackhawks 2012 Kings 2010 Blackhawks 2009 Penguins Is there a pattern here? Naaaaah, it didn't work for Edmonton so we should avoid bottoming out at all costs. Because aiming for the playoffs no matter what worked so well for every team that goes that route. Yes, there are many ways a team can win the Cup. There's a way that works way more often than any other way, and it starts with being a terrible team for a few years but Boston did it a different way so it can be done. Nobody is arguing that point. Also, Vancouver is god awful and is getting top picks regardless of what Benning/Linden/Ownership has tried to do, which is to make the playoffs at the cost of draft picks. So by accident, they've taken the first step forward. If they crawl out of the basement, that's not a success. Success if building a legit contender and maybe even winning a cup in our lifetime. When Benning got hired (once he signed Miller & Vrbata) I said he's aiming for the playoffs/middle, eventually we'll get there. If having an OK team in the end is your benchmark for success then that's what we're disagreeing on.
  14. If you want examples look up HuttonWink, Baggins & Oldnews posts. I've done this numerous times before but spending an hour to dig up quotes just gets them ignored as nobody on CDC seems to be able to admit they've ever been wrong. A Benning loyalist is someone that sees no fault in any moves that he's made. Eriksson contract? He's not just paid to score Vey trade? Good gamble "going for it" instead of trading for picks? Being a terrible team ruins prospec... oh wait, their narrative has changed now to Benning doesn't need all his picks because he's just that good. If a GM consistently has one of the worst teams/highest picks then shouldn't his prospect pool improve? Especially over the past regime, one that was trading all their picks away to go for the cup?
  15. Hey isn't Boeser supposed to have his career ruined because he plays on a bottom feeder? That's what you've argued would happen for a couple of years. Sorry to break it to you, but Toronto is a really good team. Their tanking/hoarding picks worked. Vancouver did get top picks, where would our rebuild be without Juolevi, Virtanen & Pettersson?
  16. Benning loyalists 2014: If you bottom out you'll end up like Edmonton and suck forever, trading for NHL ready talent will keep us competitive and not ruin our prospects. Benning loyalists 2018: Good think we bottomed out and got those top picks. Of course we're not competitive yet, some people have no patience.
  17. Who knows, it'll be 4 years that he's here when he's in his last year of contract. Admitting defeat in a trade is easier the more time goes by. Also he'll only be getting paid 3 million his last year so will be very tradable. All I said is his numbers are some of the worst in the league. Take it for what it's worth to you.
  18. Of course he got resigned. Considering we gave up a 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks to get him, it would be embarrassing to trade him for a 2nd or whatever we would have gotten back. $4,000,000 for a 3rd pairing guy that doesn't score and has some of the worst defensive numbers in the league? Whatever, we have a ton of cap room and it's not my money.
  19. At what point do you consider a rebuild finished? Stanley Cup contender? We have about 93% to go towards that, not 93% finished. New 'core' taking over? If roster turnover is the goal, any fool can do that given a few years.
  20. I don't think anyone is tanking this year. Vancouver just isn't as bad as a few teams.
  21. Yeah I criticized Benning for blowing assets on playoff dreams instead of a rebuild, deservedly so until the last deadline. I think he's done a pretty good job since then. We have some good prospects and hit a home run of Boeser. Should get another top 5 player this year. Should get more picks/prospects this year. When Benning went for the playoffs I was worried we'd never draft low enough to get top players, luckily the team ended up bad enough anyways. There are a lot of pieces that could fall into place (Tryamkin, this year's top 5 pick, Petterson, one of our other prospects over-achieving), you don't need all of them just some of them. Of course, you have to have luck too. A lot of variables with injuries, players asking for trades, having a meddling owner. Would it surprise me if we were bottom 10 next year? No, but it would be a disappointing year for me. Whereas this year I expected bottom 5.
  22. No excuses for being bottom 10 next year unless Boeser/Horvat/Tanev miss big parts of the season. Or if Boeser has a terrible sophomore season. Or if we don't fix our defense/goalie situation..... ok so there are some excuses for being bottom 10 next year but I'm hoping to make the playoffs.. with Rasmus Dahlin leading the way
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