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  1. According to this article, players peak at 26-30. https://www.silverskatefestival.org/when-do-hockey-players-peak/#google_vignette Is Matthews overpaid? Sure, but the Leafs are getting the best years out of him. After this contract he’ll be 29 and they probably be rebuilding by then.
  2. I think in order for Pettersson to have these career years, Kuzmenko will need to sustain his league leading shooting percentage and I don’t really see that happening.
  3. I feel like I had this discussion before, but how has Matthews reached his peaked, when he’s only a year older than Pettersson, who you think hasn’t reached his potential yet? Peak years for a NHL player is usually 26-30.
  4. No, I expect him to be a 80-95 points player here on out. How much do you think that’s worth, on a mid-term deal? 9-11m is pretty much the market value with that kind of production. I like how you used one of the worst possible contract out there. Buffalo pretty much caved in and gave Eichel a blank check and told him to write down a dollar amount to keep him happy. If you want to compare contract situations. Rantanen and Barkov are the players you should be looking at. From age 20-24 Barkov - .99 ppg Rantanen - .97 ppg
  5. You can’t compare the two teams, when league scoring in 2010 was at 2.7 goals per game to 3.1 this season. Goalies’ save percentage were also a lot higher then. In 2010 only ONE player broke the 100 plateau compare to 11, this season. I would say Parise, Kane, and Kesler, and maybe Stastny would all be 100+ points player in today’s game.
  6. Zach Parise - Coming off a 94 and 82 points season Paul Statsny - Coming off a 74 points season Patrick Kane - Coming off a 88 points season Bobby Ryan - 30+ goals scorer Phill Kessel - 30+ goals scorer Ryan Kesler - Selke winner Ryan Callahan - Selke nominee Tim Thomas - top goalie Ryan Miller - top 5 goalie It takes a team to win. The current group might be have the talent, but that 2010 team did everything possible to grind out wins. How many times have we seen Russia, with all the talent in the world, just crumble in international tournaments?
  7. Your argument is more players from the US program are getting drafted every year, therefore they’re better at developing. But you choose to ignore only 33% of the players who come from the program only make it into the NHL. And that’s not counting the importance of the player. Sure it’s a big jump from the 20% over the last decade. But it still remains that the CHL still continues to spit out the majority of the players. This draft 86 Canadians were drafted, compare to 50 Americans. 84 of them came from a league within Canada. While 43 came from the US program. And before you say 50 Americans to 86 Canadians isn’t a huge gap. The US always produced around 40-50 Americans each draft year since 2014, when it peaked at 64. Canada actually increased their players in the draft, the last 5 years. 2019: 70 2020: 73 2021: 89 2022: 89 2023: 86 I highly doubt in 10 years there will be more American born player than Canadian, because I’m pretty sure people were saying that 13 years ago. When the US almost beat Canada at the Olympics. Or how about 2010 when they beat us at the World Juniors? Or 2003? Again, no kids in America are dying to become hockey players, when there are other sports available.
  8. The key is where they started off their development. While Tkachuk and Carlson didn’t start in Canada. They chose to play in the CHL, when they could have easily went the college route. Keith was actually the one who convinced Matthew to join London, because how well they develop their players. Jack would have been playing in the OHL if he was granted exceptional status. He actually spent more years developing his game in Canada than the States. Again, having more US players/talent in the league over the last decade means absolutely nothing. It’s like asking yourself, who would you rather have someone like Garland or Konency, on your team? The depth/quality in Canadian players is far superior to any other countries. How many legitimate competitive teams can you make amongst US players compare to Canada? One, maybe two? If you go ask 10 kids in the States, what’s the likelihood of them saying “I want to be a hockey player when I grow up”? You’d be lucky to get two, when there are far better options out there. Out of the major league sports, hockey ranks 5th in the States, barely beating soccer. As far as Hockey Canada, even with the scandal looming over them, they still won back-to-back World Junior.
  9. So, he was still scoring under a PPG. Would you be satisfied if Pettersson maxed out at 80 points for the rest of his career at 12m?
  10. Man, did you just ignore the whole “growth of hockey down in the States” part? Growth of hockey down in the States + bigger population = More players in the league. Go figure. https://www.canlansports.com/news/is-hockey-actually-on-the-decline-heres-the-truth/#:~:text=According to USA Hockey%2C the,to over 550%2C000 in 2019. Back then, you would only see players coming from Minnesota, Michigan, North Dakota, and parts of New York. Now you see players coming from Illinois, Florida, California. Arguably, three of the biggest populations in the States. Talent wise everything has changed? Jack and Erik were top three picks in the drafts, while having respectable careers, they didn’t really pan out. But wait, where did they develop? 27 years ago, two Americans won back-to-back Norris trophies, while Kane unanimously won the Hart over Crosby. Talent increased due to more and more Americans in the league. Really has nothing to do with the US developmental program. Just look at how many of the current top American players spent time in Canada for their development. All Hughes Brothers, Matthew Tkachuk, John Carlson, Jason Robertson, etc. So, Makar took the college route over the CHL to strengthen his body in preparation for the NHL? Pretty much what I’ve been saying, to get an education and to play against men. But did he really develop any of his skills in college? His skating/footwork, and offensive acumen were already top notch, before he even went to college. I also want to say most, if not all, Junior A level players opt to go the college route.
  11. 2 seasons ago, he barely broke 65 points, if it weren’t for the last month and a half, where he scored like 19 points in 14 games.
  12. He doesn’t reach his fullest potential and only becomes a 60-70 points player. He becomes injury prone, throughout his contract.
  13. There’s risk to everything, if you talk about injuries. I mean, he’s taking a risk right now, if that report of him not wanting to talk contract extension.
  14. It still amazes me that people think 10.5m is a “low-ball” offer. He would be tied for the 10th highest cap hit in the league, and don’t talk about inflation of the cap, because I already went through that in this thread.
  15. Well, considering you said that Pettersson is going to decline at the age of 30. Which contending team is going to trade for him without any retention? I would also guess, Vancouver wouldn’t want to trade him in his prime, and Pettersson will probably have some sort of NTC in his contract, which limits Vancouver to trade him to certain teams. Also, what if Pettersson becomes damaged goods within his contract (like you said injuries, etc)? Do you think teams will be lining up for his services?
  16. That’s a lot of what ifs. So, what’s the benefit for him in signing a long term contract with the team and possibly being stuck on a team, with no direction? Money, I guess.
  17. Their own 2nd rounder for Lafreniere? Doubt it. Rangers would probably at least ask for a first and a prospect for Laffy.
  18. We already had this discussion. 10.5m is not below market value for a player who just had a breakout year. He still has a really good chance of getting a retirement deal at the age of 30. We seen guys like Huberdeau, Miller, Karlsson, Ovechkin, etc still able to get those massive deals at that age. Plus, contenders are probably more willing to trade for Pettersson with 2-3 more years in his contract then one.
  19. I’m kind of surprised Chicago didn’t give him an offer sheet with the amount of picks they have. Lafreniere, Bedard, and Hall would have made an pretty decent first line.
  20. Yup, I’ve been saying this the entire time, a shorter deal is probably the best option for both parties. Pettersson still gets paid relatively well, while he gets an idea where this franchise is at within the 4-5 yrs period. If he doesn’t like where this team is going, he could always asked to be move. 5yrs, 9.5-10.5m is what I’m expecting.
  21. I actually did give a reason why there’s a massive growth in US players. It’s because of the population. Then you proceed to say “well, duh” the US has more people than Canada. The fact is despite the growth of hockey in the USA over the last decade, they still produce the same of amount of talent/quality of players 10, 15, 20 years ago. Talent wise, nothing has changed. Growth of hockey down in the States + bigger population = More players in the league. Go figure. It’s not like we haven’t heard this story before; 17 years ago, when we didn’t medal in the Olympics, people were saying other countries have finally caught up to Canadian hockey. We then won 5 straight World Juniors tournament. 13 years ago, when the US beat us in a round robin game at the Olympics, the same story. “The US will overtake Canada sooner rather than later.”. The next Olympics, they didn’t even medal and Canada absolutely dominated that Olympics. Same with the World Cup of Hockey. It’s seem like every time Canada gets upset in a tournament. You’ll hear, “this is the start of the downfall of Hockey Canada” and yet, it hasn’t happened. It’s the same story in the NBA. More and more foreign players are coming over getting drafted in the NBA. While the last 3 NBA MVPs are from foreign countries, but overall the USA produced better quality and quantity of players in the league, because of its popularity since the beginning of time. That is what hockey is to Canada. The popularity of the sport in Canada is the reason why Canada will always be the number one nation. Not many young Americans, dream of playing hockey, while there are other options. Btw, I never say Makar didn’t learn anything from playing college. Do you think he went to college as a raw hockey prospect not knowing anything about the game? He went there to further his development from Junior A, but all his tools was from development in the AJHL.
  22. Canada has both, while the US only has the quality. I think you’re really pushing it if you think that secondary squad can be Cup favourites. The fact that you don’t want to waste your time making a third squad proves that the USA has little depth when it comes to producing NHL players. But here I’ll do it for you. Now, for argument sake take a look at Canada’s B and C squad.
  23. Quality over quantity. That was actually a great excuse, because you’re saying the US program is developing more stars, which is true, but how many of them are quality players for their club? I would say only 40% of college players actually make it into the NHL. It all comes down to depth amongst the countries. While your USA A-team looks great. How many competitive American teams can you iced compared to the Canada? For example, Barzal could easily make USA’s first squad but barely makes Canada’s A team. The popularity of hockey has grown in the US over the years, that’s why you see more and more US players in the league, but that doesn’t mean they’re quality players. I also want to point out currently two of the best American players started their development in the CHL.
  24. Did you not read what I wrote? I said I’m not going to filter through their 100+ programs and look up which of them only require two years. You stated they don’t offer two-year programs, which simply isn’t true. Fox stayed the entire 4 years because he wanted to become a free agent. Like I said, Makar could have easily made the team or further his development in the AHL, like Zegras did. Last time I checked, AHL was a better development league than college.
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