No idea, as it's not really something I'd pay attention to. I come to my conclusions from almost 50 years of being involved with hockey at many many levels and being trained to research and extrapolate credible information.
While I think that if Van end up 9-12, they could go a bit off board and take a dman, I also would g be surprised to see a dman not go until after 15........this is a fwds round this year, no doubt about that.
I like ASP and Reinbacher, but I'm not sure that they are a lock for a top 2 or even top 4 spot in the NHL, whereas I think the top 10 fwds are probably a lock for top 6 spots in the near future. For me to take a dman in the top 15, they would have to be the clear BPA at that spot.
Again, that said, I'd be ok with Van taking one of them 10ish-15.......depending on who is there.