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The logic behind letting Tanev, Markstrom, and Toffoli walk
J.I.A.H.N replied to Patel Bure's topic in Canucks Talk
Lets hear what those offers were......... -
The logic behind letting Tanev, Markstrom, and Toffoli walk
J.I.A.H.N replied to Patel Bure's topic in Canucks Talk
I am so mixed. I have felt some moves to be counter productive, while other times, I have felt Benning's moves have been proper....... The one move that I wished Benning had done this year was look at moving Boeser and keeping Taffoli. Not because Boeser did not play good, but because he is a position that would have been easiest to replace, short term and long term. IMO, the move "could" have brought us a blue chip prospect and a high 1st round pick, and we still would have had Toffoli to replace him short term, and Podkolzin to replace him long term. And that suggestion is not without its peril, so there is no right or wrong answer on that IMO. Just a preference. I think wal;king away from Markstrom and Tanev will be a good thing long term, and will start to show it benefits, starting at the Expasnsion draft, where we would have lost one of Markstrom or Demko, or a very good asset, depending on how Benning would have handled it. Tanev is just an accident waiting to happen, so long term, I was ok with Benning's move/non move. I loved the playoffs last year, but if there was anything Benning could have did better, it was Move Markstrom and Tanev and explained why he did, as he if anyone, should have known what was around the corner in regards to our play this year. I will also say, if he did not, that should be the reason he should be let go. Loosing asset for nothing is a huge deal with me. To me, that is Benning's biggest failure, and the one that should have a large bearing on his contract re-newel. Like I said earlier, moving Boeser, Tanev and Markstom, would have put us pretty much exactly where we are today, and with a ton more asset in hand. I would argue, that last years playoff run, has not really showed much, in regards to this years play and for me, I compare that to the option of moving Boeser, Tanev and Markstrom, and what it would have given us. But it is subjective opinion and has passed, so it is a mute point. I would also, question Benning's handling of Tryamkin, as he could have actually signed him and loaned him to Sweden, if he had no place to play, and still he would have been available for the start of this season, or anytime for that matter. Really it comes to Moving Benning, Tanev, and Markstrom, and the asset recovered for such a move...........that and Toffoli But let's move on......what is done is done! -
So we judge Tryamkin for his decisions at 23 years of age.................... I wonder how many of us at 23 made great decisions? I drank to much Fought too much Cased women ....never too much spent money like I had an endless supply slept in too much I could go on, and on, but the point is I don't do any of those things now why? Because life experience has shown I should not But some guys learn all this at 15 years of age others at 20, and yet others at 30, 40, or even 50 My point is, you don't have to blame anyone for learning this stuff later in life Because we all do it sometime in our life So enough about Tryamkins earlier decisions Worry about what he is going to do now.................that is what is important!
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The logic behind letting Tanev, Markstrom, and Toffoli walk
J.I.A.H.N replied to Patel Bure's topic in Canucks Talk
Not nitpicking at all...my mistake But the point is still the same Thanks again......I will go correct it! Thanks -
The logic behind letting Tanev, Markstrom, and Toffoli walk
J.I.A.H.N replied to Patel Bure's topic in Canucks Talk
God know if we would have been in a different spot, if Benning had gone in a different direction, or if Aqualini moved on from Benning, and consequentially Green. What if this happened or that happen, is truly unknown. It is all conjecture. But, having been a Benning supporter all these years, I am starting to question some of his moves. I am starting to look back and see that some of his past moves, had implications far past the 1 or 2 years, which they were intended to be for. My view is totally subjective, and totally 20/20, in that they have all passed. I have always felt that CDC is far to protective of their players, But not all their players, but certainly their stars......... Trades that should have been forced were not done.........aka Sedin's, Edler, Markstrom, Tanev were all kept and either walked or retired. This was a huge asset drain. People said things such as you don't trade your stars, hero, or community leaders................Then, I look at Boston trading Ray Bourque, Edmonton trading Wayne Gretzky, or Detroit trading away Marcel Dionne, and I wonder why our guys were so special. Imagine the assets these players would have brought. I also look at recent trades, Lainne, Anderson, Domi, Dubois, Webber, and Subban and again wonder why our guys are so special. Then let's look at the " let our players develop in a winning atmosphere" philosophy, and although I understand it, It is Benning's duty to be able to appraise and evaluate his team, and the climate of the NHL, including the strength of the teams around him, and how his team would fair against those teams. This includes, the other teams ability to purchase UFA's (who ever they are), and strengthen their teams. This all culminates in the decision of when your team is ready to actually compete on a yearly and continuous basis. Now most of the above, is about how to accumulate assets, but those assets, could have been used to clear cap, if needed. They would have started to join the team, in recent years, and could have been part of our young core going forward. The ghost of Rebuilding on the fly, which involves signing players, was not well thought out, really, and although I supported it, it has not turned out well. Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel, Myers, only served to prevent us from falling all the way to the bottom. This is not to say that Benning has made all bad decisions as players like Pearson, Motte, and Miller have been great additions for what they are. Free agents like Stecher, McEwen and Chatfield have all contributed in the past or now in the present. But generally Benning has failed in this regard. Now some may question where we would be with out Bennings drafting, but would another GM have passed on Hughes and Pettersson, would another GM have picked Ehlers and Tkachuk, instead of Juolevi and Virtanen? Would another GM picked Pastrnak instead of McCann, or traded our 2nd for Baertschi, or McCann and a 2nd for Gudbranson ? Well, we will never know either way, but one could argue, we could have actually had the better players in every case......again hindsight is 20/20 Now, the Canucks are ranked somewhere near 4th Overall, in players under 25 years of age, which is a strong indication that Benning has done well, but could he have actually done better, if he had went into full rebuild earlier on and had additional picks? To me it is Drafting vs UFA signings vs Trades, which is the question, if we believe that in 2 years we will be a contender, then Benning passes, if we believe we will not, then he has failed. Coaching is also on Benning, and if you feel we have the right coaches in place, then Benning passes, if not, he doesn't. Benning has a plan, and IMO, Aqualini needs to see some improvement, or he will be gone, if by next year, he does not, then he will not be renewed. I must admit, I am a little all over the place with Benning, but he is that kind of GM. the proof is what the next 12 months brings..........I am hoping for no trades, I am hoping for Green to straightening this year out.........we shall see -
I know this sounds rotten but IMO, Aqualini should not agree to any trades this season Just ride it out and take our lumps If he wants to hire a new GM, that is fine If he wants to hire a new coach, that is fine But no trading assets while we are down No trading 1st and 2nds while we are down Nor at season's end....... We will have cap space and time to figure a new plan of attack It could get rough, but ride it out We are not the worst team in the league or even the division, so just ride it out It just is not the time to make big player changes Coaches, and GM's, I am OK with
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Thoughts of the game.................. #1................Thank god for Thatcher Demko, Thatcher played a great game, and it would have been an even worst score without him #2................Hard to gauge the team, Montreal is obviously a better team, but that does not mean we are the worst team. IMO, we are a team in transition, with a young core, and we are banking on some of them to play above their pay grade. Yes, we are better than Ottawa, probably even with Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Calgary, and probably worst than Toronto. This is a season unlike any other, and we have not played Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, or Winnipeg that many times ever. Now we are getting a better undrstanding of where we are generally. 3....................Keep in mind that Miller had a career year, last year, and Pettersson and Hughes may have done the same. So, that in its self may have been enough for us to take that step back, as players return back to more normal play. 4. Keep in mind we have 3 rookies and several sophomores, playing in key roles, Keep in mind our average play last year until the playoffs. 5. Keep in mind of the players lost collectively from last year. (aka Toffoli, Tanev and Markstrom) with honorable mention Stecher, and Leivo (albeit injured) 6. Team preparation is the coaches responsibility, special teams is the coaches responsibility, it is the players responsibility to execute the game plan. I would say it failed on all counts over the 5 games against Montreal. Stronger team, better execution, better game plan. 7. Not a time to make rash decisions........stay the course, at least until you play everybody i a series, it might be too late by then for this season, but the truth is, no trade of players that are expendable, will make us any better, unless you are willing to move players that are in our young core. Moving either Gaudette or Virtanen, will not change what we are today. (Keep in mind that our team was ranked as the 4th best core under 25 years of age) Keep our 1st and 2nd round picks. 8. Everybody needs to work harder..................bottom line, lets move on. PS.......Don't expect any better results against Toronto. Lets just let this play out..................Let us just hope Benning is doing a great job of scouting this year