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Yep… that is the basics of a possible deal, with other pieces going different ways to make the money work. If Schmidt doesn’t waive to go there, then something else that brings the same return. It doesn’t have to be that exact deal, but something of that scale.
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Bo Horvat and his future [agent on don and dahli]
Provost replied to Bertuzzipunch's topic in Canucks Talk
What utter nonsense. This may be news to you, but there is an actual way to measure how a team is performing. This is some crazy inside info… but each game, one team wins and one team loses. They even track those wins and losses with points so you can see which team is better or worse over the course of a whole season. Colorado is not a “terrible team” and has performed significantly better than the Canucks. That is objectively reality. One player wanting to go to free agency doesn’t make the argument you seem to be randomly asserting… -
I think the Oleksiak part should be getting a lot of attention too. These are two solid D that would have been targets for a lot teams. It also takes away options for other teams wanting to upgrade. I think Seattle corners the market on D and then starts auctioning some off after expansion. I am holding onto the hope that we have a big deal in place that is just waiting for expansion to be done. Something the left of the oft mentioned Reinhart+Ristolainen package. As it stands we are likely a lottery team again next year…and I am done with that.
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[Trade] Canucks Trade for Dickinson from DAL for a 3rd.
Provost replied to aGENT's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
His agent can say whatever he wants, he can have 6 teams after him all he wants but he is a club controlled RFA who has never scored 10 goals in a season and has a career high 22 points and 3rd/4th line minutes… that doesn’t give him a good arbitration case. He should be somewhere between his current $1.5 million and $2.0 million. -
Bo Horvat and his future [agent on don and dahli]
Provost replied to Bertuzzipunch's topic in Canucks Talk
You literally argued with me saying he he had a plan the whole time, and suggested that the entire swath of the fan base that doesn’t believe your imagined position just doesn’t “get it”…and now you are saying it is unfair to ask you to prove what you claimed? It is my fault you make up garbage that you can’t defend because you were just making stuff up? That is some crazy gaslighting nonsense. -
Bo Horvat and his future [agent on don and dahli]
Provost replied to Bertuzzipunch's topic in Canucks Talk
Exactly what amazing things has he done? Please provide an iota of evidence that he planned a 9 year rebuild to be competitive like you are claiming. Go ahead… find the link, I retract everything I said if you can show an interview when he got hired that he suggested he had a plan to be worse in 7 years than when he took over… and that it would be 9 years before we could expect to be competitive I am 100% confident that you are just making up random stuff to make yourself feel better. It is OK to be an over optimistic fan with rose coloured glasses… but lying and calling out people based on lies is just nonsense. He has done nothing but give too much money and term to aging players. Are you suggesting that the deals Toffoli and Stecher got elsewhere were for too much money and term? They were incredibly team friendly and great value, we probably had a chance to get them for even less…. Certainly Stecher. He would look pretty damn good on our team right now to avoid us giving too much money and term to an older player like Hamonic simply because we have no other options. Benning has a losing record over his entire tenure, something that is actually hard to to do with the loser point making most teams .500 or greater. There have only been a couple of teams with records worse than ours over that span… and those teams were spending at the cap floor, not ceiling like us. There isn’t a single GM who has gotten fewer wins per cap dollar spent in the entire league than Benning has. That is “amazing things”? What metric are we supposed to be using other than wins and losses? Moral victories? We were a bottom end team this past season and have a thin prospect pool coming up the pipeline. Once Podkolzin and Rathbone graduate to the team we will have a downright terrible prospect pool reminiscent of the later Gillis years. We have few spare assets to shop to upgrade the team and no cap space to sign UFAs. That is amazing management to you? We have a GM who is objectively bad at almost every aspect of his job except being above average in the amateur draft. This isn’t a “try” league… it is a “do” league. If he held himself to the same standard as his players he would have waived himself. He is the Virtanen of GMs… has a couple of skills that look good, but the sum of the parts isn’t very good. He doesn’t think the game very well. -
Bo Horvat and his future [agent on don and dahli]
Provost replied to Bertuzzipunch's topic in Canucks Talk
I haven’t listened to the interview, but the point is valid that we need to be aggressive and start winning now (well last season was when we needed to be better). Players come off their ELCs really fast, and become UFAs. If the team is terrible you have to overpay to keep your own players… or just lose them. There is a strange idea here that you can just be patient and keeping letting things play out year after year with some magic point where things are suddenly better. Just letting another year go by to let some bad contracts roll off has a long term cost to it. We had good vibes around the league last season after the bubble, and we badly needed to capitalize on that by building on the success and not saying we needed to be bad again for two years before we were going to be competitive. Guys like Tanev, Stecher, and Toffoli leaving with a bad taste in their mouths and Edler’s agent saying he is going to market should be paid attention to as a canary in the coal mine for how the players might be losing faith in team management. There are the other small hints like some of the prospects wanting to leave because of no communication, Tryamkin being stalled last season and his negotiations bungled this year. The Linden/Brackett firings, the coaching staff contract stuff not happening until the last minute… It all adds up to some pretty evident problems that have been noticed around the league. -
[Rumour] Montreal Plans to Offersheet Pettersson
Provost replied to AK_19's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Shrug… if it is $10 million and Petterson decides to sign it, then we can just choose to not match and just take the picks and use the cap on another player. With 2nd contracts being at full market rate, there is literally no benefit to overpaying for an RFA just because he is yours. We could get Landeskog with the money and Bump Horvat to the top line. Landeskog-Horvat-Boeser Pearson-Miller-Hoglander Motte-Dickinson-Podkolzin or even deal with Tampa and help their cap situation by taking Palat or Killorn and get another first round pick out of it. That would leave us cap space for a top 4D … then enjoy years of cheap ELC contracts with the extra picks as compensation. Montreal without Price and Weber could be terrible and return us lottery picks. -
[Rumor] Adam Larsson to test FA
Provost replied to Bertuzzipunch's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Unless something magic happens with our cap situation… we aren’t going to be swimming with the big fish in free agency. It will have to be trade or value pick ups. -
Protected list from teams around the NHL
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
Yes… and those guys haven’t been amenable to being traded to bottom feeders like Detroit who might be willing to take on cap, so that has been a huge issue for Tampa. A trade with Seattle would necessitate at least a couple of those guys not having Seattle on their no trade list. -
Protected list from teams around the NHL
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
They are much better off losing multiple assets… they actually badly need to. They are handcuffed in that the guys they need to move have trade protection. This is one process that they can over ride those protections. Why buy out Palat if they can move his contract to a team that needs him and lets them shed the contract entirely as well as having a cap dump in Johnson. -
Protected list from teams around the NHL
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
I wouldn’t take cap hit from them for free. They need to drop $10 million or so in cap and most of their players have NTC that preclude sending them to bottom feeders who might be willing to take on cap. I would tell them I am taking Foote and then do a side deal where they also gave me Gourde or Palat in return for dumping Johnson. You get Foote, Palat, and Johnson from one team. The actual expansion pick is the guy (if any) that has Seattle on his no trade list so he can’t stop it. -
Protected list from teams around the NHL
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in General Hockey Discussion
The Tampa available list could probably be a playoff team on its own… yeesh! -
[Rumour] Vladimir Tarasenko left exposed
Provost replied to Makaramel MacKhiato's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
It would be interesting to see if Seattle plans on. weaponizong their cap space like that. They could trade him at 50% retained to a contender and probably get a serious asset back.. -
[Report] Canucks won’t protect Kole Lind
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Yep, he is playing 3D chess while everyone else is playing checkers! It has been his 7 year long game to ensure the team has a roster so thin that an expansion team has little to choose from. It hasn’t been easy while drafting so high all the time, but through strategic signings of veterans to over market contracts, and a subtle plan to ensure the prospect development system doesn’t unearth any unexpected gems… he has secured his ultimate goal of screwing Seattle out of any player of worth. The importance of that can’t be underestimated for a division rival. Now the coaching staff is going to implement their actual systems and our vets have the green light to stop pretending to be terrible. Cup in two years or less… guaranteed. Genius!!! -
[Report] Carey Price waives NMC for expansion draft
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Eichel would salve the wound quite a bit -
[Report] Carey Price waives NMC for expansion draft
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I have no idea if they will take Price… high risk, high reward. They could have big names to sell tickets… but they could handcuff their team with years of an underperforming aging goalie. I would lean towards taking him and several other goalies and the selling some of them back to other teams to get extra assets. If Montreal loses Price, then Holtby could look good to them as a pairing with Allen. I can’t wait to go through all the protection lists and mocking up possible rosters. -
[Report] Canucks won’t protect Kole Lind
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
It is entirely possible. If they pick any of our younger guys, they will just need to be exposed to waivers before next season anyways as none of them are nearly of a calibre that would make a deep Seattle forward roster. So none of them will have any value really, if they are good enough they will get picked up on waivers, if they aren't good enough then they are replaceable by other players that will show up on waivers. They could just pick the UFA for a bargaining window or just to mess with us being able to re-sign that player before free agency. If they took Hamonic we then have to compete on the open market with him like anyone else. -
On a cheap deal he is the type of player who we should be replacing expensive older veterans for. He should really be a $2 million player considering values around the league for lower end guys. Bjugstad went for under a million to be a 3C.
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[Report] Canucks won’t protect Kole Lind
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Lind/Gadjovich/MacEwan/Highmore.... pretty darn similar in value so losing one over the other is a pretty tiny price to be paid in expansion all things considered. None of them will make it through Seattle training camp without ending up on waivers. Seattle will be deep enough that these guys are AHL depth for them, so if we really like whoever we lose we can probably just get them again before the season starts. The only possible loss is that if Seattle really liked Lind but none of the other guys and would have taken Holtby if Lind wasn't available. That is a pretty unlikely scenario. Maybe they take Holtby anyways and try to corner the market on goaltenders to auction some of them off again. -
[Trade] Canucks Trade for Dickinson from DAL for a 3rd.
Provost replied to aGENT's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I guess technically it would be the delta/difference between Lind and however they would have otherwise taken if Lind was protected (Gadjovich?). There isn't a ton of daylight between the two players to me honestly. No idea if either of them ever becomes a meaningful NHLer. The cost of using up a protection slot certainly has to be factored into any pre-expansion trade costs... that is the entire point of this extra trade deadline, leveraging those spots. If you count Lind on the "cost"side of the trade, you have to count who we would have otherwise lost if it wasn't Lind on the "return" side because we have that player and wouldn't have otherwise. -
[Trade] Canucks Trade for Dickinson from DAL for a 3rd.
Provost replied to aGENT's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I am about to go jump in a lake myself! I live in the Okanagan now. -
[Trade] Canucks Trade for Dickinson from DAL for a 3rd.
Provost replied to aGENT's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Yep, I go is kind of a “meh” deal. If Seattle takes Holtby instead of Lind that automatically makes it a bit better. I think there will be some young RFAs who don’t get qualified who are better than Dickinson. The good news is that it is a low cost acquisition and won’t really handcuff us, assuming we don’t extend him at a big price tag before we see what other options are available. -
[Trade] Canucks Trade for Dickinson from DAL for a 3rd.
Provost replied to aGENT's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
So now you are lying in addition to name calling? You were the one quoting my post and inventing nonsense while name calling. You called me dumb for posting that I was going to wait for actual evidence on the ice before giving him credit. In your mind you seem to think that waiting for evidence is prejudging something. That is genuinely idiotic logic. Grown ups look at evidence and then revise their opinions when new evidence presents itself. No new evidence has presented itself as of yet. Here are the actual posts to show your utter lack of coherent thinking… -
[Trade] Canucks Trade for Dickinson from DAL for a 3rd.
Provost replied to aGENT's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Are you a moron? You appear to be listening to voices in your head instead of actually reading and comprehending posts. I am judging Benning on things he has done. I am not going to give him credit for things he hasn’t done yet. I literally posted that I am judging him based on past performances and that the team has to show results in the ice before I will change my opinion on the job he has done. That isn’t pre-judging him for things he hasn’t done… that is actually using evidence based critical thinking. Things called facts…. Not sure if they are familiar to you at all? The FACT is that we have been one of the most consistently terrible teams in the league for Benning’s entire tenure. Somehow in your tortured delusions we are supposed to give him credit for being a winning team next year before it happens… otherwise we are dumb? We aren’t a winning team until we start actually winning… I know that is a radical idea. Go jump in a lake.