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  1. I would take those two guys running the team any day. Not least of which is they are old boys club kind of guys that can manage moves and leverage relationships with other GMs.
  2. This is genuinely terrible. I will be cancelling TSN off my TV package as All I ever watched was for their better personalities and regional coverage. I wish some version of Sports Page came back. 650 isn’t very good
  3. Absolutely agreed. Unless his speed just isn't up to snuff at all, it is hard to think that he isn't an upgrade on Benn as a 3rd pairing guy. I think there is fairly minimal risk that he isn't a legit NHL D, even if on the 3rd pairing and a defensive, clear the crease kind of guy. The upside is a stay at home partner with size for Hughes who is good enough to create space and get the puck to his shifty little partner to lug up the ice. That would be a tremendous value. For a expansion exempt player at what is likely a $2 million cpa hit, it seems kind of like a no brainer.
  4. While I have some doubts about his ability to be an impact player in the league... I have few doubts he would be better than some of the guys we have trotted out in our top 4 this year. (also... if you think he is picking on a little guy, his opponent is 6'2" and 210lbs tough guy who is used to fighting and played in the WHL) Here is Fisenko in another fight:
  5. That is the subtle joke in the thread. We can lose all we want, but we are still picking 5-8th where Hughes is projected to go.
  6. Well reading the thread helps. it is literally because of the quarantine rules that the market could be inflated for us. 5 Canadian teams competing for the playoffs and only two Canadian teams with assets to sell off. If each of those teams just wants to add one depth piece... that is 2-3 players from each of us and Ottawa. The flat cap is relatively meaningless at the deadline when little is owed and the pro rating means you can add a big ticket player.
  7. A point lead against one team can disappear quickly... but catching up to the whole middle pack when you are at the bottom is actually nearly impossible. Toronto, Montreal, Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Calgary play almost all their games against each other meaning those are guaranteed points to someone. If someone loses, it moves another team we are chasing even farther ahead. Realistically only Edmonton and Calgary are reachable in the standings already and they need to lose all their games in hand (and not to each other) We are already well into “pulling a rabbit out of our ass” territory and we are only 1/3rd the way into the season. Based on normal for playoff the bar (93 points) we would need at least 63-64 points this year ... if my math is right this late at night, that leaves us needing to play around .660 hockey from now on or 26 and 14 the rest of the way through.... or get a bunch of loser points from games we lose in OT. When was the last time we approached that level of play over 40 games? We can hope that Toronto and Montreal pull so far ahead of the pack that they take all the points from teams we are chasing (but magically not from us)...
  8. I actually seeing a decent possibility of getting really inflated prices for some of our assets. If it shakes out that it is us and Ottawa out of the mix, and the other 5 teams are duking it out... they will want to load up for the playoffs as always, maybe even more so with Covid worries possibly decimating depth. Unless things unexpectedly change with quarantine rules faster than expected, they will be all looking at getting players from just the two Canadian teams out of contention. Getting one of our players not only increases their depth, but also is a defensive move robbing a potential playoff opponent of getting that depth. Sutter, Baertschi, Benn, Roussel, Pearson, Beagle, and Hamonic (if an Alberta team wanted him and he was willing to move).... any of those players could get moved. Even the guys with an extra year left are possible. None of them get a kings ransom, but picks and expansion exempt prospects are going to be the currency of choice leading up to expansion to acquire players who can’t be protected by their teams. We can add a few of those assets fairly easily at the deadline.
  9. Tanking is intentionally losing a season to get a better draft pick. That happens really infrequently. Every trade deadline, however, there are teams that have (despite their best efforts) dropped out of contention who trade off expiring contracts for futures. Pretty much nobody defines that as tanking, even though it is objectively making your team worse for the remaining meaningless games in order to give a better chance of winning in future years. Nobody has suggested we do the former, and it would be dumb not to do the latter and let assets walk for nothing when we could have gotten picks for them at a time the market is highly inflated.
  10. How many games before we are realistically (if not mathematically) eliminated? We will be lucky to get 56 games in this season due to Covid... by game 20 if we are 5 points out of a playoff spot, that is actually a big hill to climb because we have to play better than a couple teams to reach the playoffs and we have shown even then that would be a short series. It is uniquely difficult this year to gain ground in the standings because with only divisional play, almost every single game played by teams you are trying to catch will award 2-3 points to teams you are trying to catch. A good run can happen, but we are really short on runway and probably need to go on a .700 tear for the next dozen games to get back into the running. We are currently 3-10 in games against teams not named Ottawa, so that is more than a little turnaround. The “Lose for Hughes” mantra isn’t that far away. That isn’t tanking, it is math. There is a point when you have to be planning on how to help in the longer term when the current season has slipped away. The bright spots are: we have veteran players on expiring contracts to trade as rentals; if we acquire some picks for those veterans, we can flip those for players who can’t be protected in expansion; and the top of the draft is heavy on D.
  11. You have failed to realize or account for half that equation. If Pearson is moved to a Sutter 3rd line, THAT line will be capable of taking many harder matchup minutes freeing up the 2nd line to provide more offence. I mean, you have been droning on for years how great it is to have both Sutter and Beagle around to play the defensive matchup minutes and how stupid everyone but you is to not recognize that... so why change gears now suddenly? Horvat’s line has been forced to take more defensive minutes because the other lines couldn’t be trusted to do it because they had guys like Virtanen and Gaudette on them who were awful defensively. If the trade happened, you can’t take the current state of line usage as it will be different players.
  12. That is how cherry picking stats work. You decide what you think of a player and then search and try to present data that confirms your subjective bias. Are you new here? :D Do you expect someone to actually use the data to make their judgement on a player instead of improperly using it as justification of their non-evidence based opinions?
  13. Chatfield has 18 games remaining to be eligible for the minimum requirement to be eligible for expansion. I am sure they will try to get him to that spot so they have some flexibility in case they don’t have any better options and want to protect Myers.
  14. When you think of things, try to think from the perspective of the different parties. Tryamkin is playing 20 minutes a night for his team that is locked in a tight playoff race. What motivation would they have to let him go? Why would we want him now? We are already looking up in the standings and apparently need a lot more than one piece. We would need to use assets to shed cap space just to sign him and then he would lose his protected status for the upcoming expansion draft. Why would Tryamkin leave his home town team where he is playing an important role in the lurch to come to a floundering NHL team who couldn’t be bothered to offer him a 1 way contract a few months ago?
  15. Gillis did become bad after the Finals. He second guessed how he had to build a team. The league as a whole was giving a last gasp of pushback for “old school hockey” run by a select old boys club against the new faster skill game. No one wanted to see the Canucks win, that isn’t crazy conspiracy theory nonsense. Every broadcast and every fan base was rooting for Boston and their “honest” brand of hockey. Even teams that hated Boston and called them dirty beforehand. Gillis then started to chase that style of hockey, and it made the team worse at what it was good at and the team got stuck in the middle with no identity. 5 years later the league had changed and that Canucks team was what everyone was trying to be. I don’t want Gillis back, but sometimes when a guy acts like he is the smartest guy in the room, it is because he is.
  16. You might want to look how long I have been on this board kid... I am well versed in Canucks history.
  17. This is the Canucks... that means we are going to win this game just enough that no one gets fired, then reel off another losing streak, winning just enough to be paralyzed by indecision and not fix anything. I remember a few years ago at the end of the season and we were far outside the playoffs, we did one of this killer California road trips that always resulted in zero points for us. We decided to win them all and screw our chances at a better lottery pick... because of course that is when we would win.
  18. You mean since the start of the season? Yep definitely feels that way...
  19. Well I added in Borgen to either of my proposals. He is a better prospect than any of our current D and plays a physical defensive style. Miller isn’t ideally who we need, but is an upgrade on Virtanen. Hutton is cheaper and expires after this season which is a help going forward. Miller is possibly tradable for a return after expansion when some teams have lost D to Seattle and need a #4z. We have extra expansion slots to protect him if we wanted, and Buffalo doesn’t. The Holtby throwing his team mates under the bus death stare was overblown... but he is probably legitimately pissed that the team he joined is nothing like the team he saw in the bubble. This isn’t a home run move.. it is hitting a single and trying to load up an extra player on base.
  20. This came from a Sabres online beat reporter. Virtanen Holtby For Miller Hutton I probably take the basis of that deal as long as I could sign Hutton to a cheap 1 year extension so he can be exposed in to fulfil expansion requirements. Maybe they need to throw in a pick because that deal helps them more than us as they need a 2nd goalie pretty badly and Holtby is a big upgrade as well as filling the required expansion eligibility requirement that we would then have to go out and find. They will be losing at least one of their D anyways in expansion so why not use one of the spare guys as a trade chip to fill a hole. Of course it would be a lot nicer to get Risto from them as we really need a more defensive guy, but that ship seems to have sailed and would cost us too much. I would maybe say that they would need to add Borgen who is a spare part for them but would be way up our depth chart prospect wise. So my Proposal would be the same as above but with Borgen added. It saves us a little cap space for next year when we will definitely need it, and gives us a solid physical D prospect in exchange for us downgrading in goal and moving on from Virtanen. Maybe try to get them to eat a bit of Miller's salary if possible as he is overpaid for what would be a 3rd pairing D. An alternative is that we get Eakin to fill our 3C slot, which would represent a massive upgrade for us in that position and helps us defensively. Another position of strength for them with Cozens and Mittelstadt ready for prime time. Girgensons is another attractive player from them that would revitalize our bottom 6... but he seems like someone they would want to keep for a playoff run. Virtanen Holtby for Borgen Eakin Miller On their end, they badly need to make the playoffs this year for some positive energy and trading away a future where they already have a lot of strength in that position isn't too big of an ask.
  21. I don't think we should care how much he understands hockey. He doesn't have to understand any of the down and dirty details of his businesses if he puts the right people in place who do. His jbb is picking the right people, and he hasn't done that. It was pretty public knowledge that he chose Tortorella over the objection of Gillis, see how that turned out. Now he picked the Benning/Weisbrod duo instead of Linden/Brackett who were by all accounts the other "camp" in the front office. If he doesn't know hockey, then he should stay out of hockey decisions. It is pretty well understood around the league that he is an owner who likes to play with his toy rather than stay hands off.
  22. When there was a power struggle internally, Aquilini bought into the Benning/Weisbrod decision and fired Linden. Benning got his boss fired and so is left with being the only one responsible for his decisions. It is all on Benning and Aquilini really... when you are the boss, the buck stops with you. Aquilini backed the wrong horse with the wrong plan so of course the blame lies with him.
  23. One game Taylor Pyatt got punched in the face early on. He was a wrecking ball for the rest of the game and just brushed off any opposition like he was playing against kids. He showed that he could be a dominant power forward. Then the next game he was Taylor Pyatt again. Hard work and consistent physical play is a talent. Not everyone has that, and Jake is one of those guys that doesn’t. He is going to be one of those guys that shows up every dozen games or so and disappears between. If we waived him today it is iffy whether anyone would put in a claim. If we trade him, we almost certainly are going to be taking money back in a deal. Trading him for a 3rd round pick and not taking back money would be a success.
  24. You can’t sign Tryamkin this season, he is under contract on the KHL and when that is done he won’t be eligible to play. Fire the GM and Weisbrod so they can’t make any bad decisions and let the replacement have a few weeks before the trade deadline to assess the team and make moves. He can pick his own coach if he doesn’t like what he sees from Green.
  25. That doesn’t jive with Benning’s history. We would have to throw in a 2nd and a 4th to make it believable.
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