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I agree, I should have been clearer. If we get to the point of being a contending team, he should be a 3rd pairing guy. Good teams have guys in positions where they are capable of moving up. I hace argued throughout the season that he may be our best overall D right now and almost certainly best on the right side. You have to take into account injuries and even though Edler and Tanev are better than he is when they are healthy... missing 20-30% of the season regularly has to be taken into account.
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Zero chance they are replaced internally... but an even bigger issue is that even with them we need upgrades. I love Stecher to bits, but he should be giving you amazing 3rd pairing minutes and only move up in case of injury. Asking him to be a top pairing D is a lot. He can survive in that role better than our other options, but not really thrive. Tanev seems to have gotten really old, really quickly. Too many miles and too many injuries. He is still one of our best options, but it also feels like he is just trying to hold his own with what we are asking of him. He isn’t driving plays or getting that great first pass out often zone like he did a couple years ago. Hutton did more than we could have realistically asked of him... but selling relatively high might be prudent.... maybe at the deadline next season if Juolevi looks ready for 3rd pairing minutes. We need to make a trade for a young top 4 guy in my opinion. Philipe Myers, Sanheim, Pesce, Hamilton, Provorov... someone like that. Instead of locking into 4 years of a guy like Stralman (who would be perfect if you could sign him to 2 years)... use that money to bribe Tryamkin back a year early.
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Too much worry about a player who will never be good enough to play in the top 6 on a good team. Goldobin may have been one of our best choices at LW this season, but that is only because we were terrible in that position. He got tons of opportunity. His points mostly came as secondary assists riding on the coat tails of Petterson. He couldn’t score goals to save his life. He is miles away from being a top 6 guy on a contender... not even close. IF he managed to ”get it”, he is still only good enough to be a placeholder in absence of a better option. If he comes back and starts in our top 6 next season, Benning should be fired as he hasn’t done his job.
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No one said we at panicking at all. You seem uptight about something that wasn’t said at all. The reason those players were pointed out was that we simply have too many bodies signed. The conversation was about some housecleaning required.... not anything material to our success. The return is pretty irrelevant as it is simply math. If all those guys mentioned got traded for late round picks folks would be totally fine. Some will even get waived and hopefully picked up so we aren’t stuck with their contracts or a bunch of veterans clogging up our farm team.
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The frustrating part is that the answer isn’t complicated and Green has told him and the public repeatedly. Play north south, when you have the puck, use your size and speed drive to the net. Do it basically every time until it is just habit. When he does it he scores or opens up ice for someone else to score a rebound. Instead he stays on the outside and makes a pass, or circles behind the net.
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... and he may, but it also may take a couple of stops and feeling like his career is on the line in order for it to happen. At this point you can still imagine a GM and coach thinking “look st his size and tool kit, I bet Incan get more out of him than the Canucks did...” In a year or two without a breakout, no one would be thinking that.
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I don’t know what Botchford is suggesting, but numbers mean there has to be some serious housecleaning. Too many forwards by far, and more so if you bring in another one. Most or the following bunch need to have an effort towards moving out: Sutter, Granlund, Schaller, Eriksson, Goldobin, Spooner. That still leaves us with: UFA-Petterson-Boeser Baertschi-Horvat-Pearson Roussel-Gaudette-Virtanen Motte-Beagle-MacEwan That is one or two spots for the 6 spare guys. If Virtanen goes out as part of a trade for a D, that only adds one more spot and a bunch of guys without roster spots.
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Even Hamilton would work, even though there are a few danger signs of him being made available more than once. If folks let go of the idea he will be a Norris winner... he is still a useful player and his contract is good. Just enough term to get value from him without being trapped in case he doesn’t work out. Hr kind of reminds me of Phaneuf, in that he was overhyped and left folks disappointed. Once he had moved on a couple times and the fanfare died down, he settled into just being a solid player.
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It is definitely a great trade when every single party ends happy about it. Both teams and both players have ended up better off. Both teams would do the trade again in a heartbeat and that is rare. I am pretty far from making any real judgement about it though. Players often have spikes in performance after being traded and give an extra gear while other players are pacing themselves over a long season. They want to impress their new bosses and teammates. Combine that with half the opposition near their end of the season either checked out, knowing they are out of the race, or on cruise control getting ready for a brutal playoff run... and it is a recipe for misjudging players. At Christmas next season we will really know better how these two guys really fit and even a guy like Schenn if he has a new contract and feels more comfortable.
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You just can’t get quality without giving up some, so any realistic trade you do has something going the other way. Also, just accumulating more top young players through the draft and hoping to get better as a team can’t be done forever. RFAs get paid now, and basically at market rates... so after three year ELCs are up, you don’t get cap savings. You just end up with one kid rolling off their ELC while another one gets drafted. You need to do both draft and other acquisitions. We have a solid core, and decent supplementary players. Add a couple of good free agents and we are a playoff team. Our existing pipeline of prospects and those coming in the next few drafts fills in holes as veterans move on. We have about 5 years to make a push to be a contender before our kids start becoming UFAs. We need to have a couple of deep playoff runs under our belts by then in order to keep them and not have to dramatically overpay to keep them. An example of what next season’s roster could look like with a a UFA and a trade Lee-Petterson-Boeser Beartschi-Horvat-Pearson Roussel-Gaudette-Leivo Motte-Beagle-MacEwan Edler-Stecher Hutton-Sanheim/Philip Myers Hughes-Schenn/Tryamkin
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We certainly have pieces to make a trade. We basically just have one bullet in the chamber of organizational depth though in order to make the right move. Pearson and Leivo have made Virtanen expendable. Markstrom and Demko make DiPietro expendable. Not that they aren’t useful players, but they arr also well served finding us a top 4 RD who has a point shot. Virtanen, DiPietro, and a top 5 protected 2020 1st round pick is a solid package and we aren’t noticeably worse in their absence. Depending on the move and the other team’s needs, we also have Tanev, Hutton, Granlund, and Sutter who are decent trade chips in a package.
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Well he is right about a top 6 winger and a top 4 D being big holes to fill. If we can sign a forward and create a packag to trade for a D it would be pretty ideal and push some other players down the roster where they may have more success as well. 2020 picks shouldn’t be off the tsble for trades if we get a young player back who will grow with the team.
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Jim Benning will represent the Canucks at the 2019 Draft Lottery
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
#2 pick please so we can spend the weeks between the lottery and draft drooling over a Petterson line with Kakko on his wing. -
Jim Benning will represent the Canucks at the 2019 Draft Lottery
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Ferraro was doing a hit on 1040 and they were killing themselves making jokes about it. Like how he should have made his pick in a Dracula voice. -
Lots of teams trying to upgrade their defence, not many D available on the market. It really is time to push for him to leave the KHL and sign for the upcoming season before we have to move in another direction and get locked into that contract.
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[Proposal] Summer UFA Signing: Anders Lee
Provost replied to Provost's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
Still not signed at the end of the season. Makes you wonder if he is going to get to the free agency negotiating window to see what the other offers are before giving the Islanders a chance to match. We are getting into that territory with Edler as well. Agents would be pushing to see what the market will bear, to better their negotiating position with their preferred team. I still say Lee is our ideal target if available. Big, strong, skilled, one of the best net front guys in the league. Would complement Petterson very well, and make a huge difference on our 1st unit PP. If we get a chance to him, his camp could easily see it the same way and be attracted to signing here. -
Gudbranson NOW officially The WORST PLAYER in the League
Provost replied to RU SERIOUS's topic in Canucks Talk
What horse rubbish. There isn’t a poster on this board that spends more time calling out and making emotionally based attacks on other posters. He uses logic like anti-vaxxer’s do. He takes little bits of information that validate his world view and ignores and ridicules information that doesn’t conform to his already set biases. -
...and there has been precedent set that Florida could terminate his contract if he did that.
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I haven't listened to 650 much lately, their broadcast quality was terrible and I couldn't get it in my car out in the valley. TSN has better guests for sure. I like to listen to the hits from Ferraro, Pierre Macquire, Button, etc. I also like listening to Taylor as I was the right age for Sportspage to have been really big.
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[Proposal] Summer UFA Signing: Anders Lee
Provost replied to Provost's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
No problem on $5 million plus, we have more money than some people think. I actually think Lee probably gets upwards of $7x6. Thin free agent class, lots of suitors. I honestly expect salary to be moved out this summer. Sutter and/or Eriksson We could get something for Sutter. Even though it isn’t nice, I suspect if we tell Eriksson we plan on waiving him, he can be moved on after his bonus is paid July 1st. I don’t see him reporting to the minors. -
If Gudbranson was on a 1yr, $1 million contract and slotted into the roster during injuries or when toughness was needed... no one would have had any heartache. He played poorly here, he admitted it. Schenn has so far exceeded expectations. I think you have to take his success and Gudbranson’s in Pittsburgh with a pinch of salt. Take a fair look 20-30 games into next season and see how they are doing with some of the daily grind under their belts.