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[Discussion] Do You Have the Stomach For a Rebuild?
Provost replied to Warhippy's topic in Canucks Talk
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[Discussion] Do You Have the Stomach For a Rebuild?
Provost replied to Warhippy's topic in Canucks Talk
None of those things are true. Players are under club control as RFAs, you get compensation if they sign elsewhere. That isn’t the case with our guys who will be UFAs at the end of their current contracts or within a short period where they can just accept an arb award. No one said you trade away all your players with salary, you made that up. You trade away anyone you can that won’t cost you futures to move. It is hard to be under the floor… but if you are you can gain more assets by taking on contracts from other teams. You can take on LTIR from other teams. How do you not know that? It doesn’t mean you have to sign overpaid veterans to long term contracts to make the cap floor. ELCs and cheap contracts would naturally be staggered over several years. 2-4 years of extra picks and guys mature at different rates, some good to college, some spend a couple years in Europe, some right into the NHL, some need time in the AHL. As the earliest ELCs come up for extensions, you will have those leftover expensive veterans coming off their contracts. Not all players are going to be stars right off their ELCs. Gathering as many as a dozen picks a year means that even if you draft amazingly you will get 3-4 NHL players per draft. Over 4 years of a rebuild that is 12-16 players who will mature into the league over about 7 years (2-3 per graduating per year). In the unlikely event you are lucky enough to end up with TOO many blue chip young players all deserving raises… then that is a wonderful problem because those are valuable chips to trade for more futures to keep your window open for longer. Teams thar perpetually have success are ones with a deep enough team that they can afford to trade away high picks to keep windows open. They don’t purposefully stagger ELCs. -
[Discussion] Do You Have the Stomach For a Rebuild?
Provost replied to Warhippy's topic in Canucks Talk
You would be very lucky to net out with any assets at all from that group of trade pieces. Most of them would cost assets to move. The only one with positive value is Bo. -
[Discussion] Do You Have the Stomach For a Rebuild?
Provost replied to Warhippy's topic in Canucks Talk
I don’t know if I will keep following that much if they DON’T rebuild. I already have started PVRing games and fast forwarding through parts. The big picture is bleak… as it was two years ago. All of our efficient contracts were up for extension meaning all the money coming off the books was already eaten up by raised we would owe. That is the same for the next few years, there is no big help coming in free agency and no high end prospects coming In the pipeline. Due to cap and contracts signed…this is the roster we will have for the next 3-4 years give or take a couple players. If it isn’t a winner, then why keep trotting it out. To me the rebuild includes Petterson, Hughes, and Demko as they are what gives you the return you need to kickstart it. They are also not going to be under club control indefinitely. If we had have made moves last trade deadline we could have been looking at 2 years to being competitive with a few extra high end prospects in the system to sustain a window with a steady stream of ELCs. Now we are looking at 4 years I think. A couple years of tearing down and a couple years of building up. There are a lot of decent veterans looking for work nowadays that we can keep finding cheap one year UFAs that we can flip for more picks each deadline so that the prospects don’t have to be thrown to the wolves. Build a champion Abbotsford team of guys that learn to win together… then they graduate as a group over 2-3 years. A lot of the team building for our last good core came from the Moose. Look at Montreal, they aren’t going to be winning a Cup this year but the fans are falling in love with the players as they see it as being on the way up. -
Anyone with 3 years or less could have salary retained to add value. Myers, Pearson, even Petterson if someone blew you away. A contending team adding Petterson for well under $4 million for three years vaults themselves to the top of the heap
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That was an option… either way was a fine idea really. If we rebuild, keeping him wouldn’t make sense. He isn’t likely going to re-sign to a rebuilding team that he just got shellacked for years playing for. As far as value, this is a deal where we could be patient and opportunistic. If a contending team gets an injury to their starting goalie, we could make a (relative) killing. A good return would be a really blue chip prospect plus a 1st which is likely to be late as it would be a good team. Maybe ask for a 1st the following year and hope that team takes a bit of a dive.
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Hughes Reunification (VAN-NJ mega deal)
Provost replied to JM_'s topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
If we are trading Hughes is means full rebuild so Severson is a bad fit. Nemec, Holtz, and a 1st We can take back some bad cap from them to make it work. -
[PGT] Buffalo Sabres at Vancouver Canucks | Oct. 22, 2022
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
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[Signing] Canucks re-sign J.T. Miller
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I don’t get my news from anonymous 14 year olds on Reddit making unverifiable posts. -
That is his winning percentage just with Hartford/Carolina…. That is why it says 1 Stanley Cup and not 3 Stanley Cups. I definitely take a Stanley Cup every 7.5 years as GM over Benning’s record. .
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Just to be clear on where Benning sits in terms of winning percentage for GMs who kept their jobs as long as he did. Mike Milbury level. There are also a bunch of guys on that list who didn’t have the luxury of spending to the cap each year and had better results with tens of millions less to spend.
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Reverse on the Hughes Trade... give them Quinn plus something for Nemec, Holtz, and a 1st. They get three American boys to play together. We get the futures to start an actual rebuild. Petterson and Demko for more of picks or close to NHL ready prospects. Nobody off the table, trade veterans with salary retained to get rid of them this year and up their value.
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If we want to blow it up, have to get a start with it in season while retaining salary adds a bunch of value to some players. Rebuilding now also includes Petterson, Demko, and Hughes. We won’t be competitive in time to leverage their time under club control and would just lose them the moment they could escape. One would think Jersey would pay a kings ransom in futures for adding the last Hughes.
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Nope… she has been blaming fans for being negative about him instead. It isn’t the fault of the players apparently. It is people not supporting their shitty play and effort level. We should he cheering on their lack of heart.
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Predict The Score Contest: CAR @ VAN Oct 24 2022
Provost replied to goalie13's topic in Canucks Talk
It will be my birthday so clearly it will be 7-2 Canes. Statsny. -
Could we relocate our roster to Quebec and then ask for an expansion team? We would be far better off at this point… :D Somehow most of our players end up worth less the moment they sign contracts and that is a bad sign.
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[PGT] Buffalo Sabres at Vancouver Canucks | Oct. 22, 2022
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
That is what you call an “overplaying a guy 28+ minutes a game” injury. -
Not even remotely true in objective reality… no GM had as bad a winning record and didn’t get fired really quickly. https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/canucks-hockey/nhl-gms-who-last-7-years-are-typically-a-lot-more-successful-than-jim-benning-3897497
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Anyone still supportive of Benning at this point has to be a close relative or have significant Cognitive issues. Almost a decade and he managed to turn a fringe playoff team with a bad prospect pool into a bottom dwelling team with cap issues and an even worse prospect pool. It is actually difficult to be that incompetent.
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Hey, do we have any 2nd round picks left to trade for a guy equivalent to this? Asking for a GM friend of mine…
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Not until after Nov. 1st…. Then we get our pick of the trash on the wire
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We have no deep side of defence…. Our defence is bad enough that Burroughs looks like a stud and he is barely an NHL defenceman. Who is after him if someone gets hurt or Poolman can’t come back anytime soon? I would prefer they just give Woo a shot to play a few games in the NHL and decide whether he has any potential or not… but that doesn’t seem to be in the plans. Schenn also plays both sides so right or left side additions would be welcome. Sustr would be a fine pick up. League minimum, no risk depth that you can waive if guys come back. We are still a ways from having waiver priority though as it is still based on last year. Don’t expect him to move the needle though… just a warm body who is better than the AHL options.
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Predict The Score Contest: BUF @ VAN Oct 22 2022
Provost replied to goalie13's topic in Canucks Talk
4-2 Sabres, Thompson with the winning goal. First Canucks goal is Kuzmenko -
Almost right… that is the minimum required by law in BC for her length of employment and they don’t even have to have a reason. They just can’t use a reason that is considered discriminatory. She likely has a decent case for more than the minimum. She would likely have a contract with a set amount and If you hire someone from out of town and they relocate for your job and/or leave another job to take yours… arbitrators or courts will mostly look on that as the employer having some added burden of responsibility beyond the minimum. It isn’t huge dollars though and a high priced lawyer is going to take most of it. A few extra weeks of defence and some costs related to relocating is really the ceiling unless there is some sort of malfeasance by the employer.
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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Minnesota Wild | Oct. 20, 2022
Provost replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
If anyone is feeling positive still… keep in mind we haven’t even played any good teams yet. Only one is in a playoff (wildcard) spot and two of them were winless before meeting us.