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He suits PHI's need for a strong 2 way 3rd line C than Schenn, and is on the 1st year of his EL deal, but with that said both are very good players and PHI fans are very worried about Holmgren trading either. A deal probably never happens, but I would love to see Schenn in a Canucks uniform. Simmonds too
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PHI is my favorite team after the Nucks, and judging by the games I've watched and from what I've read, PHI would be better off trading Schenn and keeping Couturier. Schenn is like a poor man's version of Kesler but much younger which bodes well for the Canucks, and Simmonds helps even out the deal with his scoring and grit. Hard to say though if PHI is game to move 2 very good roster players (34 goals between them) for a possibly injury prone Kesler. Hate to say it but the Canucks MIGHT have to include someone like Hansen to help even out the deal.
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LOL touche! All this hype surrounding a Kesler trade is definitely interesting but I wonder if it is all for nothing? Really hope a team steps up and makes a trade that makes sense ala PHI (Schenn/Courtier + Simmonds) or DET (Nyquist + Tatar). A trade with PHI would be sweet. I think VAN would be a much better and tougher team with those two.
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Post #718 succinctly summarizes the point at issue. As far as facts go, I'll definitely agree that Columbus is a bubble playoff team now, and maybe even for the next year or two. I'll also with Kesler's history in Ohio because that is factual as well. But based on these facts, your claim that this indicates a move to Columbus is agreeable with Kesler, in argumentative terms is a non-sequitur. Sure, it sounds like it all follows, but as post 718 states, it isn't necessarily the case. So as a matter of argumentation, there is reason to believe either my argument or yours could be true, of course all depending on what happens with Kesler. I'm fine with that because I know all I am offering is my opinion.
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First, if any trade were to happen, Kes holds all the leverage with his NTC. To waive that to goto a non cup contender like Columbus is a stretch. It is not like he is desperate to get out of VAN or else he would have different things to say in public. However, so far all your trade proposals are always spot on right? You can't be wrong in this case either right? ROFL
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Still bad. Trading for this year's draft picks means (most likely) getting players that won't be impact players 2-3 years plus down the road (especially if it is a D man which normally take much longer), and there is NO guarantee such players will even be impact players like you presume. If that weren't enough, I doubt any of this years top 5 draft picks give up such picks for Kesler OR Edler. It's not like they are trying to win now. You're living in a dream world. IMO the smarter thing to do is if either player is going to be traded, they are traded for prospects 2 years into their development, that can play in the NHL now and play well. That way, the Canucks instantly get younger but still remain competitive now, and allows them the time to develop current prospects like Horvat/Shinkaruk etc. while most likely drafting in the top 15 at this years draft.
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CDC
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Keyword "Lockout" people.... You can put your fantasy Luongo trade proposals to rest now MIght as well add Kesler too
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Trade Kesler.....when he is easily the best 2 way forward on the team right now? Maybe in a couple of years before he becomes an UFA and Horvat has been nicely groomed to step in and play. Trade Luongo.....after everything both Luongo & the orhanization has been through? Luongo is playing great and is more than capable of being a leader on this team. Trading him makes no sense.
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and of course it probably all boils down to this
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I've mentioned this before but I think Edler would be an excellent addition for TB with Ohlund down, and him having lots of experience playing with Salo. Would make TB's back end very strong for a playoff push. And I could definitely see Conolly coming back this way + extra pieces to even the deal out.
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the thing about Tanev is that he is the most tradeable player on the back end (lack of NTC, RH shot, younger player, etc). He is a good defensive D man with good puck moving skills but isn't really an offensive threat. If the Canucks need more offense he certainly could be targeted by other teams who want want stability and youth on their back end. That being said, I think the back end needs a bit of a shake up as well and I don't think moving Tanev would be the answer for that. Besides Bieksa and Edler when he decides too, the Canucks don't really have much physicality back there. Maybe offers for Edler just arn't there or perhaps Torts thinks Edler just needs more grooming ala Kassian.
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Yep I definitely have high praises for Edler given what you say, and too many people undervalue the small things he does like his strong work along the boards against other teams big and best players. I think losing Edler sucks because the Canucks give up alot of size in the back end, but the Canucks have similar puck movers in Hamhuis, Bieksa & Tanev. If a deal with DET is made, a smart deal is to get a top prospect that can play now (like Tatar) and something for the future (like 2015 1st round pick or prospect) + whatever to make the deal work for both sides. I agree with striker7 that CDC is living in a dreamworld if they think Mantha is tradeable, and maybe add Nyquist to that as well. We would never trade Horvat/Shinkaruk/Kassian/Tanev etc. so why would DET equally give up their best young players? My guess is DET is very serious in Edler, they'll make a deal work involving different players, and nobody should be surprised by that.