True, still needs to play, but even if it's fourth line and 10mins a game. It's better than junior when you add in all the other intangibles. And those tht say top line juniors are better than NHL fourth liners, give me a break. Most top line juniors, maybe except the very elite, would have a heck of a challenge against NHL 4th line players. You have to remember most 4th liners players were very strong if not dominant in the juniors as well.