Homo Sapiens' Sapience Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Great post man! Until fedor fights brock, fedor is overrated. Hey Oinky, we get it, you like Brock and underrate Fedor. Enough already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Great post man! Until fedor fights brock, fedor is overrated. I think until Brock fights Fedor, Brock is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I think until Brock fights Fedor, Brock is overrated. Brock is still that dude that came from WWE who beat a 45 year old Couture and has a split between him and Mir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) Hey Oinky, we get it, you like Brock and underrate Fedor. Enough already. You only overrate fedor cause he's russian. You're like that other russian guy who blindly loves any russian. Edited July 31, 2009 by Luongo = Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raoul Duke Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) Great post man! Until fedor fights brock, fedor is overrated. That may be the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Fedor is not overrated because he isn't fighting Brock. I am a big Fedor fan, from what I've seen at least. BUT.... until his jaggoff management team gets real (or he swallows his "pride"), we will never know just how he stacks against these heavyweight beasts in the UFC. Plain and simple. We will never know just how amazing he really is until he fights REAL competition. Yah, I said it. Quote me on it. And I'm not nut hugging the "evil" (Harbinger ) Dana White. I just know where the real talent in the HW division is. If he doesn't sign with UFC, he'll go back to fighting cans..... Hunt, Lindland (at HW, seriously?), Coleman, Randelman.... Goodridge?? Are you kidding me? How about we put Fedor against guys like Brock, Carwin, Velasquez..... Randy anyone? Just sucks it may never happen. Which looks reeeeeeally bad on him. Suck it up Fedor and company. Get paid and fight real competition. Edited July 31, 2009 by Johnny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gike Millis Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 anyone know what time the press conference starts today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) That may be the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Fedor is not overrated because he isn't fighting Brock. I am a big Fedor fan, from what I've seen at least. BUT.... until his jaggoff management team gets real (or he swallows his "pride"), we will never know just how he stacks against these heavyweight beasts in the UFC. Plain and simple. We will never know just how amazing he really is until he fights REAL competition. Yah, I said it. Quote me on it. And I'm not nut hugging the "evil" (Harbinger ) Dana White. I just know where the real talent in the HW division is. If he doesn't sign with UFC, he'll go back to fighting cans..... Hunt, Lindland (at HW, seriously?), Coleman, Randelman.... Goodridge?? Are you kidding me? How about we put Fedor against guys like Brock, Carwin, Velasquez..... Randy anyone? Just sucks it may never happen. Which looks reeeeeeally bad on him. Suck it up Fedor and company. Get paid and fight real competition. The talent lies there now. Most anyways. But up until about 3 years ago. There was zero talent in the ufc when it came to heavyweights. Back then Fedor fought everyone that there was to fight and who ever else they could find. And I don't think I would even say that it's talent that the UFC has now. All they really have are Beasts. Guys that should be fighting super heavyweight but the ufc does not carry the division. But I honestly don't care about the actual weight classes as you know Johnny. Fedor doesn't gain or cut for anyone. He fights at his natural weight. Edited July 31, 2009 by Harbinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snolan Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Yeah that is the most amazing thing about fedor, he is a pudgy harmless looking Russian guy who pwns souls. He could submit a polar bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raoul Duke Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 The talent lies there now. Most anyways. But up until about 3 years ago. There was zero talent in the ufc when it came to heavyweights. Back then Fedor fought everyone that there was to fight and who ever else they could find. And I don't think I would even say that it's talent that the UFC has now. All they really have are Beasts. Guys that should be fighting super heavyweight but the ufc does not carry the division. But I honestly don't care about the actual weight classes as you know Johnny. Fedor doesn't gain or cut for anyone. He fights at his natural weight. True true. I just want him there. Excitement, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) True true. I just want him there. Excitement, ya know? I too want to see the fight. But nothing makes me happier than seeing fedor make Dana jump through hoops. Dana needs Fedor more than Fedor needs Dana and Vadim Finkelstein's job is to get what is best for M-1 and Fedor. Fedor wants to be able to fight when he wants. This includes M-1 and Sambo including the contractual fights he would have to fight under the UFC. That was always the deal with Pride and it's also the same thing he asks for from every promotion. This is not something new that is being put forward to the UFC. These have been the rules since he started. Like them or not. He stands by his position. That's what a lot of us like about him. If he eventually breaks that standard. That will be his choice. But I definitely stand behind him wanting to be able to fight his amateur fights as well as his professional ones. Here's an interview http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Fedor...-Own-Words-2035 Edited July 31, 2009 by Harbinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) This includes M-1 and Sambo including the contractual fights he would have to fight under the UFC. That was always the deal with Pride and it's also the same thing he asks for from every promotion. This is not something new that is being put forward to the UFC. These have been the rules since he started. Like them or not. He stands by his position. Huh, didn't you see the article posted earlier in this thread. Dana white made tons of concessions. He allowed him to continue to fight in sambo and to wear m-1 clothing and stuff. Even offered to give m1 a share of the profits from the ppv fight. The point of contention is m1's insistence on co-promotion with them. Dana white conceded a ton, yet m-1 is still being stubborn. Edited July 31, 2009 by Luongo = Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hordichuk Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Fedor vs Brock on New Year's Eve? I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Huh, didn't you see the article posted earlier in this thread. Dana white made tons of concessions. He allowed him to continue to fight in sambo and to wear m-1 clothing and stuff. Even offered to give m1 a share of the profits from the ppv fight. The point of contention is m1's insistence on co-promotion with them. Dana white conceded a ton, yet m-1 is still being stubborn. I think one of the things you are missing is that M-1 which is a promotion the same way the UFC is a promotion owns Fedors rights for 3 more fights. Why would you give your star attraction away for absolutely no gain other than money. How does that further M-1's position other than financially. Fedor's much more loyal to himself his manager and his country than he is to Dana white and a few dollars. When he gets what he wants he'll fight for Dana. Till then Dana can swing in the wind because it's the UFC that needs him. Fedor will fight for K-1 or for Dreams or for someone else. The money will come. He's a draw no matter where he fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) Fedor vs Brock on New Year's Eve? I think so. It could happen. And when the heck did you get back? Edited July 31, 2009 by Harbinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hordichuk Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I think one of the things you are missing is that M-1 which is a promotion the same way the UFC is a promotion owns Fedors rights for 3 more fights. Why would you give your star attraction away for absolutely no gain other than money. How does that further M-1's position other than financially. Fedor's much more loyal to himself his manager and his country than he is to Dana white and a few dollars. When he gets what he wants he'll fight for Dana. Till then Dana can swing in the wind because it's the UFC that needs him. Fedor will fight for K-1 or for Dreams or for someone else. The money will come. He's a draw no matter where he fights. What's really upsetting in this is that the heavyweight division is probably the most stacked division in UFC at the moment. Fedor would have no shortage of opponents, and we'd see great scraps for a good five years. Fedor, Brock, Carwin, Velasquez, Gonzaga, Mir, etc:... When the Canadiens wanted Jean Beliveau on their team, he was loyal to the Quebec Aces, some minor pro team. The Canadiens ended up buying the Aces so they could transfer Beliveau's contract. Maybe Dana should think of this. I wonder how much $$$ Zuffa has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) What's really upsetting in this is that the heavyweight division is probably the most stacked division in UFC at the moment. Fedor would have no shortage of opponents, and we'd see great scraps for a good five years. Fedor, Brock, Carwin, Velasquez, Gonzaga, Mir, etc:... When the Canadiens wanted Jean Beliveau on their team, he was loyal to the Quebec Aces, some minor pro team. The Canadiens ended up buying the Aces so they could transfer Beliveau's contract. Maybe Dana should think of this. I wonder how much $$ Zuffa has. He tried that once. He bought pride in hopes of getting all the guys. Turned out he couldn't do it. Fedor doesn't give two craps about what Dana wants and will do what he wants. If Dana won't follow through with the contract the way it is laid out Fedor will just call it null and void and become a free agent. Edited July 31, 2009 by Harbinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Fedor and brock will be too old before all this m1 bullcrap is over and they can actually fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Fedor and brock will be too old before all this m1 bullcrap is over and they can actually fight. You see. You call it M1 bullcrap. I call it Dana White bullcrap. If I don't ever see Fedor fight Brock It won't make a difference at all. If I do see it. Great. I would still rather see Barnett versus Fedor at the moment. Steroids or no Steroids. I think pure MMA fans would find that much more compelling of a fight. I think the Brock Fedor fight is more of a Carnivale Spectacle more than it is a MMA fight. Sort of like Bob Sapp versus Fedor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hordichuk Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 You see. You call it M1 bullcrap. I call it Dana White bullcrap. What would prevent Fedor from fighting Brock and Carwin and being respected as the greatest heavyweight in MMA's short history? It's not the money. Zuffa has offered all kinds of cash I bet. I think it comes down to the lack of respect Dana showed Fedor in the past. I do like Dana's style, but he's gotten in trouble with it many, many times. Once the fighters unionize, he'll have to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) What would prevent Fedor from fighting Brock and Carwin and being respected as the greatest heavyweight in MMA's short history? It's not the money. Zuffa has offered all kinds of cash I bet. I think it comes down to the lack of respect Dana showed Fedor in the past. I do like Dana's style, but he's gotten in trouble with it many, many times. Once the fighters unionize, he'll have to go. He's already considered the greatest Heavyweight in MMA so that is not going to change win or lose against Brock. The Same way that Noguera's name is not tarnished by losses or the way that Silva's name is not tarnished or even Randy Couture. Once you actually arrive at the top it is inevitable you will eventually be beaten. It's just a matter of time. It just turns out Fedors span at the top has been almost 10 years. I mentioned this to Johnny and to Pfizer when he used to post more often long ago. When a person watches a fedor fight he thinks to himself is this going to be the fight where he finally loses. While on the other hand you always say about the other fighter do you think he can beat fedor. In ten years I haven't seen that fight where he actually loses. I used to stay up all night and watch Pride fights live back in the day just for that. Fedor's record isn't just remarkable it's the record that all other records and title defenses will be measured against. I don't like Dana's style at all. He has no style. When the promoter starts threatening people that aren't even under his promotion saying they better not sign with anyone or take sponsorship deals so that it can restrict their ability to make a living. That's not considered good business. That's considered bullying and almost borders on the line of criminal. I don't look up to the UFC for how they run their business. I look down on it. There would be a lot more good fighters out there if Dana White wasn't around and there would be a lot more fighters being able to fight and train full time without the need for a second job. Edited July 31, 2009 by Harbinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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