Biggles Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancouvercanucksblogger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Bring the UFC to Vancouver! GO CANUCKS GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 The 2 best fighters on the planet are already in the UFC. There names are Georges St. Pierre and Anderson Silva. Too bad neither would stand a chance against Fedor or Brock for that matter and I can't stand Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Anarchy Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Too bad neither would stand a chance against Fedor or Brock for that matter and I can't stand Brock. I don’t think that a grizzly bear would stand a chance against Brock Lesnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicbookguy Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Too bad neither would stand a chance against Fedor or Brock for that matter and I can't stand Brock. What a pointless comparison. GSP and Silva spend most of their days at least 70 lbs lighter than Brock. Here's some fun. "Clay Guida would have a great deal of trouble in hand to hand combat with Brock Lesnar"... Sorry... but GSP and Silva are called the best "pound for pound" fighters for a reason... Because they ARE!!! If GSP and Silva weighed in at 260 lbs, and were SOMEHOW capable of keeping their mobiliity, speed, and stamina, they would likely dominate whomever they were to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 What a pointless comparison. GSP and Silva spend most of their days at least 70 lbs lighter than Brock. Here's some fun. "Clay Guida would have a great deal of trouble in hand to hand combat with Brock Lesnar"... Sorry... but GSP and Silva are called the best "pound for pound" fighters for a reason... Because they ARE!!! If GSP and Silva weighed in at 260 lbs, and were SOMEHOW capable of keeping their mobiliity, speed, and stamina, they would likely dominate whomever they were to fight. the best p4p fighters you mentioned have some of the worst losses in all of MMA. But I'll go beyond that and say what I have said many a time about GSP. There is a reason he comes to his fights two weight classes heavier than most of his opponents. Because size is one of his biggest attributes. He maybe mobile but he always cuts for his fights. Calling a guy that weighs the same as a light heavyweight on fight night and having him fight guys that are almost 20 lbs lighter than he is on fight night makes it very hard for me to call him the p4p best fighter. If GSP has the stones to actually fight at his real weight class and dominate like he does now at a lesser class. I will agree with you. As for Silva. I love the guy. But he too fights out of his real weight class. Brock as well does the same thing. Brock comes into his fights somewhere around 285 to 290 on fight night. He would not actually make weight to compete at all in the UFC if they weighed him on fight night since there is no super heavyweight division. But regardless of the fact calling I think you are better off calling Silva best p4p over gsp and I would still consider Fedor the Best p4p of all fighters since he doesn't change weight either way to fight anyone bigger or smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trade Deadline Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 the best p4p fighters you mentioned have some of the worst losses in all of MMA. But I'll go beyond that and say what I have said many a time about GSP. There is a reason he comes to his fights two weight classes heavier than most of his opponents. Because size is one of his biggest attributes. He maybe mobile but he always cuts for his fights. Calling a guy that weighs the same as a light heavyweight on fight night and having him fight guys that are almost 20 lbs lighter than he is on fight night makes it very hard for me to call him the p4p best fighter. If GSP has the stones to actually fight at his real weight class and dominate like he does now at a lesser class. I will agree with you. As for Silva. I love the guy. But he too fights out of his real weight class. Brock as well does the same thing. Brock comes into his fights somewhere around 285 to 290 on fight night. He would not actually make weight to compete at all in the UFC if they weighed him on fight night since there is no super heavyweight division. But regardless of the fact calling I think you are better off calling Silva best p4p over gsp and I would still consider Fedor the Best p4p of all fighters since he doesn't change weight either way to fight anyone bigger or smaller. Everyone cuts weight to make their weight class. Nobody will weigh 170lbs on fight night say in a Welterweight match up, and that's a fact. And GSP is always bigger than his opponents you say? Yes. Alves was so much smaller than him... Give me a break, all you do is female dog about your own obliviousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Everyone cuts weight to make their weight class. Nobody will weigh 170lbs on fight night say in a Welterweight match up, and that's a fact. And GSP is always bigger than his opponents you say? Yes. Alves was so much smaller than him... Give me a break, all you do is female dog about your own obliviousness. Actually some fighters do weigh their proper weights on fight night. Those are the ones that aren't looking for a size advantage on their opponent because they are quite competent as well as being confident in their ability rather than using the tactic of cutting weight to try to gain a size advantage on your opponent. You know who does this. A man named Fedor. Same weight friday as he is on saturday. That's why he is actually the P4p best fighter on the planet as well as the Best fighter on the planet. Edited August 5, 2009 by Harbinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dank. Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Fedor is the greatest heavyweight, and quite possibly fighter, in the world It sucks he'll never get the opportunity to destroy lesnar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trade Deadline Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Actually some fighters do weigh their proper weights on fight night. Those are the ones that aren't looking for a size advantage on their opponent because they are quite competent as well as being confident in their ability rather than using the tactic of cutting weight to try to gain a size advantage on your opponent. You know who does this. A man named Fedor. Same weight friday as he is on saturday. That's why he is actually the P4p best fighter on the planet as well as the Best fighter on the planet. Why are you changing the subject to Fedor? The reality is that excluding the heavyweight division for obvious reasons...everyone from Lightweight to Light Heavyweight cuts weight and will gain weight before fight day. I challenge you to tell me anyone that doesn't. The only reason some heavyweights remain a constant weight is that because the weight allowance is so spread out and you'd be hard pressed to find someone naturally 300 pounds and is a dependable MMA fighter. Cutting weight to make your weight class is part of the sports. Female dogging about "GSP IS CRAP HE HAS TO CUT WEIGHT TO GET SIZE ADVANTAGEZS?!>#@!" doesn't do anything. If you don't like it, don't watch it and complain about something else? You're like one of those grumpy old men at senior homes. Yadda yadda yadda, everything in the world sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Why are you changing the subject to Fedor? The reality is that excluding the heavyweight division for obvious reasons...everyone from Lightweight to Light Heavyweight cuts weight and will gain weight before fight day. I challenge you to tell me anyone that doesn't. The only reason some heavyweights remain a constant weight is that because the weight allowance is so spread out and you'd be hard pressed to find someone naturally 300 pounds and is a dependable MMA fighter. Cutting weight to make your weight class is part of the sports. Female dogging about "GSP IS CRAP HE HAS TO CUT WEIGHT TO GET SIZE ADVANTAGEZS?!>#@!" doesn't do anything. If you don't like it, don't watch it and complain about something else? You're like one of those grumpy old men at senior homes. Yadda yadda yadda, everything in the world sucks. When did I say GSP was crap. I would love for you to find a place where I said he was crap. I say he does what he can to gain an advantage this includes coming in to his fights extremely over weight as well as having his corner grease him. Those aren't things I am making up about him. Those are simple facts. There is Irony in the fact that you call a guy the best p4p but the guy comes in 2 weight classes over his weight class. Now is GSP a great fighter. I think he is one of the best myself. But I'm sure you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about unless it was put out to you on a tuffer show. So speak if you like but don't expect me to take you seriously at all. Edited August 5, 2009 by Harbinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverforge Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Last I heard GSP walks around at about 185-195lbs so he'd be cutting only one weight class, and for the most part everyone under HW cuts weight to fight. I too am a fan of Fedor, but it gets a little silly hearing his name everytime someone else talks about a fighter or any fighting league he isn't in. The best PvP fighter is, has always been...and always will be Rocky Balboa. I mean really, did you see the size of Drago? Edited August 5, 2009 by Silverforge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 The UFC currently uses five weight classes: * Lightweight: 145 to 155 lb (66 to 70 kg) * Welterweight: 156 to 170 lb (71 to 77 kg) This is where GSP holds the belt * Middleweight: 171 to 185 lb (78 to 84 kg) * Light Heavyweight: 186 to 205 lb (84 to 93 kg) Here is where GSP should fight on fight night * Heavyweight: 206 to 265 lb (93 to 120 kg) GSP has been known to weigh over 200 when not in his fighting condition. But on fight nights he regularly comes in over 185 lbs which puts him into the light heavyweights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastaj Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Why are you changing the subject to Fedor? The reality is that excluding the heavyweight division for obvious reasons...everyone from Lightweight to Light Heavyweight cuts weight and will gain weight before fight day. I challenge you to tell me anyone that doesn't. The only reason some heavyweights remain a constant weight is that because the weight allowance is so spread out and you'd be hard pressed to find someone naturally 300 pounds and is a dependable MMA fighter. Cutting weight to make your weight class is part of the sports. Female dogging about "GSP IS CRAP HE HAS TO CUT WEIGHT TO GET SIZE ADVANTAGEZS?!>#@!" doesn't do anything. If you don't like it, don't watch it and complain about something else? You're like one of those grumpy old men at senior homes. Yadda yadda yadda, everything in the world sucks. Exactly - EVERYONE cuts weight. Sorry, but singling out GSP for cutting weight and using that as a reason to not consider him one of the best pound for pound fighters is ridiculous. Everyone cuts weight, with the exception of heavyweights, because there is no upper limit. So of course, Fedor doesn't cut weight, he doesn't need to. But everyone else in the lower divisions do. I'm not sure how much time is usually given between weigh in and fight night, but if you can honestly drop 30lbs for a weigh in, and gain it back WITHOUT getting out of shape, well then all the power to you. That's a lot harder than you might think. Look, I never competed in MMA, but I did wrestle all throughout highschool and University. And even in wrestling, the ONLY time you maintained your weight to within the actual weight class limits, was for tournaments where they had a 2nd weigh-in AFTER the tournament - and even then, you were usually given 1-3kg of allowance (now, wouldn't THAT be an interesting rule to institute in MMA?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambulocetus Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 The UFC currently uses five weight classes: * Lightweight: 145 to 155 lb (66 to 70 kg) * Welterweight: 156 to 170 lb (71 to 77 kg) This is where GSP holds the belt * Middleweight: 171 to 185 lb (78 to 84 kg) * Light Heavyweight: 186 to 205 lb (84 to 93 kg) Here is where GSP should fight on fight night * Heavyweight: 206 to 265 lb (93 to 120 kg) GSP has been known to weigh over 200 when not in his fighting condition. But on fight nights he regularly comes in over 185 lbs which puts him into the light heavyweights Just trying to follow the argument here, but don't weights of "over 200" and "over 185" both fit into the Light Heavyweight class as you've defined it above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Just trying to follow the argument here, but don't weights of "over 200" and "over 185" both fit into the Light Heavyweight class as you've defined it above? Yes it does. It just goes to the point of the range of his weights. He does not go into fights on fight night has a heavy light heavyweight which would be over 200lbs. He goes in as a light light heavyweight which is just over 185 to 190. I know the language gets a bit skewered when making these points. But it goes to show how the manufactured p4p designation loses a lot of validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Exactly - EVERYONE cuts weight. Sorry, but singling out GSP for cutting weight and using that as a reason to not consider him one of the best pound for pound fighters is ridiculous. Everyone cuts weight, with the exception of heavyweights, because there is no upper limit. So of course, Fedor doesn't cut weight, he doesn't need to. But everyone else in the lower divisions do. I'm not sure how much time is usually given between weigh in and fight night, but if you can honestly drop 30lbs for a weigh in, and gain it back WITHOUT getting out of shape, well then all the power to you. That's a lot harder than you might think. Look, I never competed in MMA, but I did wrestle all throughout highschool and University. And even in wrestling, the ONLY time you maintained your weight to within the actual weight class limits, was for tournaments where they had a 2nd weigh-in AFTER the tournament - and even then, you were usually given 1-3kg of allowance (now, wouldn't THAT be an interesting rule to institute in MMA?). Actually there is an upper limit on heavy weights. 265 lbs. That's why Brock has to cut weight to make the division. I actually completely support two weigh ins. the only difference I would chane in yours is that the second weigh in be an hour before the match. So the night before and an hour before. If you can put on 20 lb's in the hour before a fight. Go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank4hire Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I have to agree that almost all fighters will cut weight and fight at 10lbs heavier which kind of nullifies size advantage. I'm sure GSP and Alves were in the 180-185 range so his domination had more to do with him being a better fighter than being bigger. I'm not discounting size as an advantage, the last guy who probably fought close to his weigh-in weight was probably BJ Penn going up to 170 and getting utterly destroyed for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naslundrox Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 when is lyoto machida's next fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank4hire Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 when is lyoto machida's next fight? I hear he's taking on Shogun Rua UFC 104 but don't quote me on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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