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Uhh...ok. Lincecum is half a run/9 better by FIP, strikes out far more per nine, has thrown more innings, allows slightly fewer homers per nine. Carpenter allows fewer walks, but that's the only repeatable skill he bests Lincecum in.

Need more evidence? Timmy has a better GB/FB ratio. Bottom line, Lincecum has nearly matched his value from last year with a month left, and has been worth almost 3 WINS more than Carpenter. That's 29 runs saved better. $13 million worth of value.

Cain shouldn't be in the discussion, and Carpenter shouldn't either. They both may be now, but at the end of the year, the best pitcher will shine through.

In the end, everyone is entitled to their opinions. If you want to judge pitchers by ERA and wins, go ahead. The thing is, through all of the stats cited above, Lincecum is far more likely to sustain this level of success than Carpenter.

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If I were to start a franchise and were given one choice for a pitcher, then Lincecum hands down for age, star quality, the stats that you cited above, and the sexy strikeout totals. However, when it comes to CY voting, we both know that wins factor in significantly be it fair or not ( See Bartolo Colon 2005, 21 wins because of run support but average stats). The last 8 starts will go a long way in determining who will win it but I have a feeling they aren't going to give it to Lincecum again unless Carpenter falls apart but I guess we will see.
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If the Cubs want to point toward the future, this is their chance.

Right-handed starter Rich Harden and right-handed reliever Aaron Heilman have been claimed on waivers, according to major-league sources.

A National League team was awarded the claim on Heilman, one source said. The claiming team on Harden is not known, but presumably he did not get through the NL, either. Players must pass through their own league first before being exposed on waivers to teams in the other league.

The Cubs will have until Monday afternoon to work out trades, allow Harden and Heilman to depart on claims or pull them back them from waivers.

Of the two pitchers, Harden is far more intriguing. He is 3-1 with a 1.80 ERA in eight starts since the All-Star break, and his .500 opponents' OPS is the second-lowest among NL starters in that stretch, behind only the Phillies' Cliff Lee.

Harden, however, projects as a Type A free agent, so the Cubs could collect two high draft picks if they offer him salary arbitration and lose him on the open market. His status almost certainly will lead the Cubs to demand a high price in a trade, even though a team that acquired Harden only would have him for September.

Among NL contenders, the Giants, Rockies and Dodgers all would figure to have interest in Harden. The Giants, the team with the worst record of the three, would have claiming priority.

Harden is earning $7 million this season, Heilman $1.625 million.

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On and off the DL due to strength and conditioning issues possibly from overworking last year and the baseball classic before the beginning of this year, lots of money to be on the DL

Yikes, he cost them lots of money. Didn't they have to pay his team just to talk to him?

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Something to think about, from Fangraphs.

Last week Dave and MGL both made points about how just about anything can happen in 40 inning stints. To hammer that point home a little harder, let’s do an exercise that shows just how much variance exists. Below I’m going to list a few starting pitcher lines from the last 30 days; I’m also going to list the names of the owners of these lines, but not in order. Your job is obviously to attempt and match the line with the name without cheating.

A. 44.1 IP, 40 H, 4 HR, 8 BB, 21 SO, 2.23 ERA

B. 43 IP, 58 H, 8 HR, 4 BB, 36 SO, 4.4 ERA

C. 42.2 IP, 42 H, 4 HR, 7 BB, 52 SO, 4.22 ERA

D. 38 IP, 40 H, 9 HR, 8 BB, 32 SO, 4.97 ERA

E. 34.2 IP, 28 H, 2 HR, 13 BB, 28 SO, 2.08 ERA

F. 37.2 IP, 54 H, 6 HR, 7 BB, 12 SO, 6.21 ERA

Barry Zito

Mark Buehrle

Bronson Arroyo

Roy Halladay

Justin Verlander

Dan Haren

Bronson Arroyo – 44.1 IP, 40 H, 4 HR, 8 BB, 21 SO, 2.23 ERA

Roy Halladay – 43 IP, 58 H, 8 HR, 4 BB, 36 SO, 4.4 ERA

Justin Verlander – 42.2 IP, 42 H, 4 HR, 7 BB, 52 SO, 4.22 ERA

Dan Haren – 38 IP, 40 H, 9 HR, 8 BB, 32 SO, 4.97 ERA

Barry Zito 34.2 IP, 28 H, 2 HR, 13 BB, 28 SO, 2.08 ERA

Mark Buehrle 37.2 IP, 54 H, 6 HR, 7 BB, 12 SO, 6.21 ERA

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A. 44.1 IP, 40 H, 4 HR, 8 BB, 21 SO, 2.23 ERA

B. 43 IP, 58 H, 8 HR, 4 BB, 36 SO, 4.4 ERA

C. 42.2 IP, 42 H, 4 HR, 7 BB, 52 SO, 4.22 ERA

D. 38 IP, 40 H, 9 HR, 8 BB, 32 SO, 4.97 ERA

E. 34.2 IP, 28 H, 2 HR, 13 BB, 28 SO, 2.08 ERA

F. 37.2 IP, 54 H, 6 HR, 7 BB, 12 SO, 6.21 ERA

Barry Zito E

Mark Buehrle D

Bronson Arroyo A

Roy Halladay F

Justin Verlander B

Dan Haren C

I'm guessing since this is atypical, i'm giving the good stats to Zito and Arroyo and I know Halladay got shlacked by the Rays but pretty much all guesses

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Only got the 2 obvious ones right. Just shows that a snapshot is not representative of the body of work, Smoltz looks like a world beater with the cards but try telling that to the sox. I guess that's why consistency is such a premium especially out of the pen because one bad outing can change your ERA from 2.5 to 4.0

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Only got the 2 obvious ones right. Just shows that a snapshot is not representative of the body of work, Smoltz looks like a world beater with the cards but try telling that to the sox. I guess that's why consistency is such a premium especially out of the pen because one bad outing can change your ERA from 2.5 to 4.0
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Hoffman got claimed

MILWAUKEE -- Brewers closer Trevor Hoffman was placed on waivers and claimed by another team, but Milwaukee general manager Doug Melvin said Friday he had not had any trade discussions involving the career saves leader.

Melvin declined to say which club claimed the 41-year-old Hoffman, but ESPN.com reported it was the San Francisco Giants.

"I did talk to Trevor about my feelings about him being claimed," Melvin said before the Brewers played the Pittsburgh Pirates on Friday night. "But I haven't talked to the team that claimed him."

Milwaukee can work out a deal to trade Hoffman to the club that claimed him, assign him to that team for no compensation or pull him back off waivers. If Hoffman is pulled back, the Brewers can't trade him for the rest of the season.

"He's wearing our uniform now," Melvin said. "I hope we can use him more than we've been able to use him. That's the ultimate goal."

Milwaukee began the night 10 1/2 games out in the NL wild-card race. Melvin told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel the Brewers likely wouldn't trade any players who can become free agents this off-season because the team probably would receive more value in draft pick compensation if those players sign elsewhere than it would get back now.

The Brewers appear to have interest in re-signing their closer next season. Hoffman is 1-1 with a 1.85 ERA this year, converting 27 saves in 29 chances. He had a major league-record 581 saves going into Friday night's game.

"If you want to compete, you've got to have a closer," Melvin said.

Hoffman, who spent 16 years with the San Diego Padres, said he had never before been placed on waivers.

"I've never done it," he said. "There's nothing to worry about. Just go out and play."

Does Johnny Damon let go of his left hand as soon as he hits the ball? It always looks like one handed HR's. Hopefully, Scutaro will be okay, and man did Snider bounce off Varitek's block.

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