Likewise Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I'd have to say Jason Frasor has been the best out of the pen. Last year, the lefties, Carlson, Tallet and Downs were near untouchable. Typical of the Jays to always have one facet of their game fail every season (ie when the starters are good, the hitters can't hit a beachball. When the hitters are good, the rotation gets injured), pretty frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Yah, I reacted to that Wash trade badly at first, but now I see it. And RRS is sweet. Now if they can only get the bad taste of Bedard outta their mouths, everything will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXCanucksXX Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I'd have to say Jason Frasor has been the best out of the pen. Last year, the lefties, Carlson, Tallet and Downs were near untouchable. Typical of the Jays to always have one facet of their game fail every season (ie when the starters are good, the hitters can't hit a beachball. When the hitters are good, the rotation gets injured), pretty frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 we had the 2nd best pitching last year (1st or 2nd i got no clue,dodgers might of been first) and nothing really has changed....the only bad pitcher last year i can remember is b.j ryan and he got realesed and outher than that nothing much has changed except for injury's (alot of them)...we got mcgowan,litsch,marcum coming back next year atleast (there's one positive?)..our best hitter is hill (he hasnt been that sure m.v.p guy at the start of the season when he was hitting .320 though) so yea i hope j.p doesnt resign overbay (iv always hated overbay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Brewer Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I actually think the Mariners could look pretty good for next year. Beltre, Bedard and Batista all come off the books, shaving 30 million off the payroll, and none of those guys is going to be particularly missed, excepting maybe the Testicle's glove. Jack Wilson could also be bought out, though I wouldn't be surprised if the M's kept him, and I would think Griffey will probably retire, though he's making relative peanuts. Some of that money will go to raises for Branyan and Felix and Gutierrez, but Jack Z probably should have enough money to lure a free agent or two, and hopefully he will make better choices than his predecessor. Also, the Rainiers are kicking some donkey right now, and it seems like there's definitely some talent in the pipeline. Maybe Carlos Silva will contract arm-fall-offiosis and be forced to retire, and the Mariners will have a clean slate with only Ichiro making any major coin going into 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Brewer Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Hey Jays fans, which set of outfielders would you rather have (purely production-wise, not taking money into consideration), Toronto's or Seattle's? (Also including Adam Lind's 1/4 season in the OF) A quote from the M's blog Lookout Landing: Using Fangraphs as a source, Seattle's outfield is on pace to be worth about 12 or 13 wins more than Toronto's at the end of the year. Approximately one of those wins is due to offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likewise Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Hey Jays fans, which set of outfielders would you rather have (purely production-wise, not taking money into consideration), Toronto's or Seattle's? (Also including Adam Lind's 1/4 season in the OF) A quote from the M's blog Lookout Landing: In other words, Seattle's OF will be worth 10 runs/1 win/~$4 million more based on offense alone. If you factor in defense, that figure jumps to ~120 runs/12 wins/~$48 million. So, uh...Aaron Hill's pretty good, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Brewer Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I'd take Lind in LF, put Saunders in CF and Ichiro in RF, that'd look really nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likewise Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 There ya go. Mostly young, cheap, under team control, and play enough defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank4hire Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Beltre's glove is great but that fat contract was given to him for offense too, which for the most part didn't come to fruition. There is a decent crop of FA 3Bs if Beltre doesn't get re-upped like Joe Crede, Hank Blalock and Chone Figgins . The organization will be back to square one if Felix and Russell don't get inked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank4hire Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I'd take Lind in LF, put Saunders in CF and Ichiro in RF, that'd look really nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXCanucksXX Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Here's a good read about baseball http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=289460 (its to long to post so just click) anyways here's some imports facts in that article So the smaller teams in baseball struggle to keep their top players from fleeing in free agency, can't get a sniff of the best talent from Asia, South America, Central America and the Caribbean and now watch helplessly as some of the top amateurs in the June Draft go to the top paying teams in the game instead of those positioned at the top of the draft board. You can see the end result of all this maneuvering finally playing out in the standings this year. Look at the list below of the estimated payrolls in Major League Baseball to start the 2009 season. For your convenience, the teams currently holding winning records have been listed in bold-set print. The leaders in each playoff race have also been indicated individually. 1. New York (AL) - 201.4 million: AL East 2. New York (NL) - 135.8 3. Chicago (NL) - 135.1 4. Boston - 122.7: AL Wild Card 5. Detroit - 115.1 AL Central 6. Los Angeles (AL) - 113.7: AL West 7. Philadelphia - 113.0: NL East 8. Houston - 103.0 9. Los Angeles (NL) - 100.5: NL West 10. Seattle - 98.9 11. Atlanta - 96.7 12. Chicago - 96.1 13. St. Louis - 88.5: NL Central 14. San Francisco - 82.2: NL Wild Card (tie) 15. Cleveland - 81.6 16. Toronto - 81.0 17. Milwaukee - 79.9 18. Colorado - 75.2: NL Wild Card (tie) 19. Arizona - 73.6 20. Cincinnati - 71.0 21. Kansas City - 71.0 22. Texas - 68.6 23. Baltimore - 67.1 24. Minnesota - 65.3 25. Tampa Bay - 63.3 26. Oakland - 62.3 27. Washington - 59.3 28. Pittsburgh - 48.7 29. San Diego - 42.8 30. Florida - 36.8 I think the results of this top-heavy chart are pretty self-evident, but for those of you who still need a little more to be fully convinced that a whole new version of Moneyball is now being played in baseball, I present the following: • The five best win-loss records in the game today (as of Sunday night) belong to teams that all reside in the top ten in estimated payroll • The five worst win-loss records in the game today belong to teams that all reside in the bottom third of estimated payrolls • There are four teams in the American League with payrolls in excess of $100 million. They would all make the postseason if the playoffs were to begin today. • There are nine teams in baseball with payrolls in excess of $100 million. Together they would capture five of the six division titles and one of the two Wild Card spots. • There are only two teams in the top ten of estimated payroll with losing records. One of those clubs, the New York Mets, has been forced to send seven of its ten highest paid players to extended stints on the disabled list. Together those seven players will earn a combined total of $84.0 million this year...or, put another way, more than 17 other full teams in baseball. Suddenly, the Mets' disappointing 59-72 record no longer seems surprising. Go through the standings in each of the six divisions and what you'll find is, with few notable exceptions, the win-loss records and respective payroll ranks are almost interchangeable. Depressing, isn't it? Well, yes, unless you happen to live in the greater metropolitan areas of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston or Philadelphia. With the affluence and strong corporate communities in those major urban centres, those teams can charge more for tickets and luxury suites. With a greater population base to reach, corporate partners and rights-holders are willing to pay those teams more for sponsorship deals and broadcast rights. As a result, these teams have more money to spend in all avenues of player procurement, not by virtue of their business acumen as much as their geographical location and local demographic numbers. So they have the cash to snap up the top available free agents (Hello, CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira). They can venture off to the far reaches of the globe to bring back talent (Konnichiwa, Hideki Matsui and Hideki Okajima). They can scoop up the players smaller teams can't afford to keep (Miguel Cabrera meet Matt Holliday and hey Victor Martinez, come on over here I want to introduce you to Jake Peavy). They can head into the June Draft without any worries about a player's signability. This in turn gives them stockpiles of prospects they can pick from to improve their Major League roster using only minor league talent. (Did anyone else find it amazing the Phillies acquired a Cy Young winner in Cliff Lee without dealing any one of the top prospects attached to the Roy Halladay rumours?) Or they can send some of those prospects to a financially strapped team to make them and their fans feel just a little better about trading away the best pitcher their franchise has ever known in the middle of a playoff run...when he's only 25! This isn't fair. This isn't right. But this is baseball as it stands today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerIce Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 You don't have to think about it. It's obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Here's a good read about baseball http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=289460 (its to long to post so just click) anyways here's some imports facts in that article its true if you think of it...money = success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Brewer Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Beltre's glove is great but that fat contract was given to him for offense too, which for the most part didn't come to fruition. There is a decent crop of FA 3Bs if Beltre doesn't get re-upped like Joe Crede, Hank Blalock and Chone Figgins . The organization will be back to square one if Felix and Russell don't get inked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3. Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I might as well watch the Ranger and Blue Jays game tonight.. So is Rios playing any better for the Sox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank4hire Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 This is untrue. Beltre performed at a very stable level for the entire contract until this year when he was hurt and playing hurt for a while. People almost always downplay his offensive value because he didn't "live up" to his 2004 year with a crappier team with a home stadium that punishes RH hitters. Beltre, if he never plays in a Mariners uni again, WAS WORTH HIS CONTRACT and more. Sorry, but I just get annoyed when people hold him up against his 2004 season and say he wasn't worth the contract. Also, I wouldn't go for any of the FAs you mentioned except for Figgins so we could plug him in at 2B. Hall and Hannahan as a platoon have similar value to the others while being much cheaper. Felix is signed through next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank4hire Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I might as well watch the Ranger and Blue Jays game tonight.. So is Rios playing any better for the Sox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFF7 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 pettite's perfect game was lost after an error by harriston, and then the next AB the no hitter was lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3. Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Adam Lind with his first career grand slam, Blue Jays are leading 10-0. I'm going to miss the rest of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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