b3. Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Blues Jays are losing. Pics or it isn't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXCanucksXX Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 here kind of a weird picture from the yankees - blue jays game (try looking for the "weird" part) found on http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2009/09/03/arod_yankees/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerIce Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Blues Jays are losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank4hire Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Longoria is a beast on that baseball. I keep hearong on epsn radio and online website that he will become a Red sox next season.... That would definatly stack that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Brewer Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 There's NO WAY the Rays trade Longoria. There is nobody in baseball that could match his value in a trade. NOBODY. Between his awesome defense, bat and incredibly team-friendly contract, there's no way the Rays do something that stupid. Don't listen to ESPN, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 An average fastball and good curveball will only get you so far until the hitters figure it out, luckily for him SF gave him that fat contract before that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgson59 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerIce Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 3-0 Jays Go away you weirdo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgson59 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 3-0 Jays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerIce Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Thanks for the insight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank4hire Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 In his prime, that curveball was basically unhittable, yet he could throw it consistently for strikes. The year Zito went 23-5 and won the Cy Young, for instance, he was able to use a curveball and get guys to strike out looking. That's a rare gift. His problems recently have been a. locating the curve, and b. throwing his fastball hard enough that the hitters' timing is off. You might as well say that a good cut fastball and nothing else will only get you so far until the hitters figure it out, but Mariano Rivera has been going strong for years. And where do you think Johan Santana would be without his changeup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 Johan Santana's changeup is effective because hitters have to respect his fastball. Zito's fastball no longer has enough steam so hitters don't have to cheat to get to it and thus they can wait ( a micro split second) longer to recognize the curve (one of the best 12-6 in his prime) but still hit the fastball. Rivera has essentially made a career out of one pitch but he's a freak, he locates the cutter like no one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raoul Duke Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Jesus you guys get technical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3. Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Wha? The Blue Jays are beating the Yankees 14-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3. Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 The Brewers turned a triple play today! and I just loved that homerun celebration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank4hire Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 My point was that not only has he lost velocity on his fastball, but he's not got the same curve he used to have. You had said that an average fastball and good curve would only get him so far. I mostly took exception to the "good curve" part: his curve was far more than just "good". That was a pitch that guys would know was coming (eg: 1-2 counts), and still not be able to hit it. Similar to Tim Wakefield's knuckler, Rivera's cutter, etc. Even with the fastball Zito has now, if the curve was what it used to be he'd still probably be effective, but the curve has flattened out on Barry a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Brewer Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 The Brewers turned a triple play today! and I just loved that homerun celebration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevforever Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Wha? The Blue Jays are beating the Yankees 14-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerIce Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Dang I missed a beauty. Slept in till 3:30pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXCanucksXX Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Aaron Hill left twins and blue jays game because http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=290305 TORONTO - Toronto Blue Jays second baseman Aaron Hill left Monday's game versus the Minnesota Twins after his wife went into labour. The all-star came out after the third inning, when he was stranded at second base. Hill left to join wife Elizabeth at their home in Palm Harbor, Fla.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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