BM24 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Jose [bautista] just got tossed, and started throwing equipment onto the field. Beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share Posted August 27, 2011 While talking about that today on TEAM1040, Greg Zahn called the new Yankee stadium "a joke." He said he saw a guy hit a home run there on a shattered bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jensen17 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Retarded ump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 As opposed to old Yankee Stadium I guess? He does realize that in the days of Babe Ruth, when all of the vaunted records were set, Yankee Stadium's right field porch was a laughable 295 feet. As if it was a coincidence that Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Roger Maris, even Reggie Jackson, all hit lefty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Still not the MVP in my books, I think Joey Bat should be still ahead by quite a big margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatCurtainsMcGee Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Pretty sure Verlander will run away with the Cy Young but is a pitcher winning the MVP out of the question? I know this debate happens quite a bit in hockey with goaltenders. To me Verlander should be right up there (top 5) in the MVP voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 o.O How? HR's do not = MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Pretty sure Verlander will run away with the Cy Young but is a pitcher winning the MVP out of the question? I know this debate happens quite a bit in hockey with goaltenders. To me Verlander should be right up there (top 5) in the MVP voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Neither do batting average or RBI. The most coveted statistic is OPS. Bautista leads the majors by a lot in that category. Gonzalez may have a higher batting average, but he hits doubles where Jose hits homers, and doesn't walk nearly as much, meaning that his actual contribution to the offence is lower. RBI is largely a team based statistic, and Gonzalez has two other elite players getting on base in front of him (Ellsbury, and usually Pedroia when Youk is healthy), not to mention lineup protection behind him from Ortiz. Bautista would have a lot more RBI if guys ahead of him could get on base, Escobar has had good stretches, but isn't on Ellsbury or Pedroia's level, and Thames, for all the promise, is below average in that department. Not to mention that Lind is usually a guy pitchers prefer to face, and Bautista gets a steady diet of off-speed pitches as a result. Gonzalez and Bautista are both plus defensive players, but Jose has the adaptability of having played multiple positions well, while Gonzalez is strong with the glove but at the easiest position on the field. Bautista is in a slump right now, so obviously if that continues, then things could change, but if the season ended today, Jose would be the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baercheese Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Neither do batting average or RBI. The most coveted statistic is OPS. Bautista leads the majors by a lot in that category. Gonzalez may have a higher batting average, but he hits doubles where Jose hits homers, and doesn't walk nearly as much, meaning that his actual contribution to the offence is lower. RBI is largely a team based statistic, and Gonzalez has two other elite players getting on base in front of him (Ellsbury, and usually Pedroia when Youk is healthy), not to mention lineup protection behind him from Ortiz. Bautista would have a lot more RBI if guys ahead of him could get on base, Escobar has had good stretches, but isn't on Ellsbury or Pedroia's level, and Thames, for all the promise, is below average in that department. Not to mention that Lind is usually a guy pitchers prefer to face, and Bautista gets a steady diet of off-speed pitches as a result. Gonzalez and Bautista are both plus defensive players, but Jose has the adaptability of having played multiple positions well, while Gonzalez is strong with the glove but at the easiest position on the field. Bautista is in a slump right now, so obviously if that continues, then things could change, but if the season ended today, Jose would be the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 It's a rare thing indeed for a player on a non-contending team to win the MVP. It's only happened a couple of times to my knowledge. Cal Ripken Jr. won it once on a mediocre Orioles team, and the other I'm not sure about. Maybe A-Rod when he was in Texas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jensen17 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 The mlb is retarded watch granderson win like when bautista got cheated out of a derby spot last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 For the record, I don't think Gonzalez or Granderson winning it would necessarily be highway robbery, but it would be a bit of a snub to be sure. It's a very difficult task to divorce team from individual accomplishments in baseball, as team success is naturally attributable to individual achievement. That's why only one AL MVP in the wild card era has come from a non-playoff team (as mentioned above, 2003 Alex Rodriguez with Texas), and before that, it was Cal Ripken Jr in 1991. Back when only two teams made the postseason from each league, it was a little more common, for instance, in the 80's Rollie Fingers (Milwaukee, 1981), Don Mattingly (NYY, 1985), George Bell (Toronto, 1987) and Robin Yount (Milwaukee, 1989) all won the MVP for a non-playoff team. It should be noted, however, that Jose Bautista is on pace for as good or better of a season this year than ARod had in 2003, he has a higher BA/OBP/SLG, will likely hit about the same number of homers (though with fewer RBI), fewer SB but more walks, and equivalently good defence. ARod won it that year despite very strong efforts from players on playoff teams, including 3rd place finisher Jorge Posada, and 5-7 Ortiz, ManRam and Nomar Garciaparra. So considering just how dominant a force Jose's been, I don't know that history will necessarily deny him. Incidentally, the National League has a much greater tendency to provide MVP's from non-playoff teams. Going back to the beginning of the wild-card era, Pujols won in 2008, Ryan Howard in 2006, Barroids won in 2001-04 (but the Giants only made the playoffs in 02 and 03) and Larry Walker won in 1997. Maybe the National League just provides more clear choices for the award independent of the playoff picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 And there goes number 6 of the season for Lawrie. Things aren't supposed to be this easy for 21 year olds in their first month in the majors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight up lazy Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Is Lawrie juicing? lol. I love this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baercheese Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I don't understand how the bullpen can be so bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jensen17 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 wow tallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 Don't forget people, AA traded away a good chunk of the top of our bullpen to acquire Colby Rasmus. Rzepczynski (39.1 IP and 2.97 ERA with Jays this year), Dotel (29.1 IP, 3.68 ERA) and Jason Frasor (42.1 IP and 2.98 ERA) were all traded to either the White Sox or Cardinals as part of the Rasmus deal (along with Patterson, Zach Stewart and some players to be named). In return we got the considerably less reliable Trever Miller, PJ Walters and Brian Tallet added to a bullpen that had already been plagued with reliability issues, especially with would-be closers Rauch and Francisco (credit to the latter though, he's been lights out lately). The point is that trade gutted the bullpen with an eye to the future, and you have to take the good with the bad. I'm not entirely sold that Rasmus is really worth all that, sure he's got the potential but he's also got some baggage and hasn't exactly shone since his Blue Jays debut, however I don't fault AA for trying to make a big move. I think he's most likely going to try and bolster the bullpen through free agency in the offseason, or give some of the more promising arms in the minor league system a shot. At present, the only pitcher currently on the Blue Jays major league roster under contract after this year is Romero, signed to 2015 plus an option for 2016. For Jon Rauch the club holds an option for next year for 3.75 million, but probably declines it and buys him out for 250,000. Obviously, the team holds exclusive rights to most of the rest of their guys, and only Tallet, Frank Francisco and Shawn Camp will control their own destinies following this season. I see the team definitely bringing back Alvarez, Morrow and Cecil in the rotation and Jansen and Perez in the bullpen (definitely also Carreno, though he might become a candidate to be the 5th starter), hopefully also Francisco. I see them possibly holding onto Villaneuva, Litsch and Camp, and walking away from Rauch, Tallet and likely Miller. They also have a few guys in the minor league system with big league experience that will likely get training camp invites for next year to try and crack the bullpen, guys like Kyle Davies and Chad Gaudin. What I hope to see next year is: Rotation: Romero FA (CJ Wilson maybe?)/guy obtained in trade Cecil Morrow Drabek/McGowan/Carreno/Alvarez Bullpen: Jansen Perez Mills 2 of McGowan/Carreno/Alvarez Litsch or Villaneuva, likely not both as they are best suited for the role of long man or spot starter Francisco New closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 I'm going to guess this wasn't exactly how Jo-Jo Reyes had pictured his first start against the Blue Jays after being cut. On the flip side, Henderson Alvarez is looking pretty good to capture his first career win, as I write this he's gone 5 innings and given up only one hit, and has a 13-0 lead to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 And Mark Reynolds is still my favourite guy to watch on the Orioles, a testament to the Three True Outcomes. For the season Reynolds is at a Rob Deer-esque 49.4% TTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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