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Yeah one of the reasons they don't want it is because of construction. Doesn't matter what the reason is. The people have spoken. Business owners all along broadway have shown overwhelming support for not building the extension.

No one wants it except broke students

The good thing is, businesses don't run Translink. Real people, with real issues pertaining to urban growth and sustainability are the dictators of how translink will utilize its resources.

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Yeah one of the reasons they don't want it is because of construction. Doesn't matter what the reason is. The people have spoken. Business owners all along broadway have shown overwhelming support for not building the extension.

No one wants it except broke students

...and faculty

...and staff

...and people fed up with driving through rush hour traffic along Broadway

...and people fed up with standing in packed 99's and having several buses pass them because they're full, to name a few.

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Doesn't matter how many merits there are for extending it. No one wants it. Except broke students.

Residents in the area don't want it. Businesses in the area don't want it. Everyone else that pays taxes doesn't want it because it doesn't even effect them, a skytrain extension wouldn't help them at all.

The only people that are left are transit riders of the broadway corridor, the majority being broke students who aren't tax payers. The province won't be able to get money from them in the first place to finance the project. It will never happen thank god.

The bus service along there is more than sufficient

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The good thing is, businesses don't run Translink. Real people, with real issues pertaining to urban growth and sustainability are the dictators of how translink will utilize its resources.

Taxpayers run translink. Translink will only build projects that appease them

Never forget that

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The UBC extension of the skytrain will never happen

Not enough density to warrant it. The ridership numbers would be pitifully low. And no one living in the area wants it.

If you support this thing you're officially an eco-nazi

You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. :rolleyes:

The Broadway corridor is the busiest bus corridor in Western Canada with 100,000 passengers daily. 60,000 of that is the 99 B-Line itself.

Just for some contrast, the Millennium Line (which is 20-kms long and nearly twice the length of UBC SkyTrain extension) carries 75,000 passengers daily and the Expo Line at nearly 29-kms is at 200,000 passengers daily. And the projected Canada Line ridership, which is quite realistic, is 100,000 passengers per day.

The 99 B-Line itself is busier than some of the streetcars that are in service in Toronto.

A pre-U-Pass study created by the City in 2000 found that if the Millennium Line were extended to Arbutus (with the remainder of the trip to UBC with rapid bus), it would attract 150,000 passengers daily. And that's pre-U-Pass. Transit ridership to UBC, including that of the 99, has since tripled since the implementation of the U-Pass and all the transit improvements since the start of the decade.

Broadway will only see densification over the next few decades, particularly Central Broadway, and will only bring in more riders. Central Broadway is the region's second downtown being the second largest employment centre outside of Downtown....though technically, it is part of Downtown Vancouver as it's in the metropolitan core.

And with all that said, the Canada Line is bound to bring in many more new riders and will flood the 99 B-Line.

Add the new Canada Line, transit improvements, and the fact that the extension wouldn't be completed until 2016 at the very earliest and ridership for the 11-km extension to UBC would probably be at least 200,000 passengers per day. If it was 150,000 in 2000 and that was just to Arbutus, 200,000 to UBC sixteen years later with regional transit improvements and a growth in population is quite realistic.

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Doesn't matter how many merits there are for extending it. No one wants it. Except broke students.

Residents in the area don't want it. Businesses in the area don't want it. Everyone else that pays taxes doesn't want it because it doesn't even effect them, a skytrain extension wouldn't help them at all.

The only people that are left are transit riders of the broadway corridor, the majority being broke students who aren't tax payers. The province won't be able to get money from them in the first place to finance the project. It will never happen thank god.

The bus service along there is more than sufficient

How about bus service to/from Richmond (where you're from)? The 98 B-Line's more than an adequate substitute for the Canada Line, right?

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How about bus service to/from Richmond (where you're from)? The 98 B-Line's more than an adequate substitute for the Canada Line, right?

Actually it is more than sufficient

Richmond spent $40,000.00 on each bus stop along 3 Road, on top of the bus lane program. And that was a huge success.

Not to mention the fact that the 98 goes down Granville, a much more practical choice than Cambie

In many ways the 98 B Line when it had use of the bus lanes along 3 road was better than the canada line

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Businesses along Broadway don't want it.. ever. People that live in the area don't want it. The 99 B Line is more then sufficient. And the majority of transit ridership in the 99 B Line are students. And unfortunately they don't pay taxes. Tax payers aren't going to fork over their money so broke students can get a train right to UBC's front door. It'll never happen

The 99 B-Line is more than sufficient? lol, if you rode transit you'd know it's quite the opposite. More than just students take transit.

The more you post, the more you seem like one other former member that was banned from three other forums. ;)

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Taxpayers run translink. Translink will only build projects that appease them

Never forget that

I fail to see your source in which:

1.) you claim ALL UBC students are broke, non-tax-paying scrubs

2.) residents along Broadway are opposed to the extension

3.) "everyone else" (who?) is opposed to paying for a project that will reduce traffic along a major corridor

(businesses are opposed; that was a fact long before you came along)

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Knowing galvatron, he'll just say that it's all 60,000 broke UBC students using the 99.

Nitro, any stats on the demographics of 99 commuters?

Uhhh the majority ARE students. Many of them broke. Forget demographics. Find out how many 99 commuters have a U-Pass. Probably 85% or more. Is that enough proof that the majority of beneficiaries of the UBC skytrain extension are students?

It will never happen

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Actually it is more than sufficient

Richmond spent $40,000.00 on each bus stop along 3 Road, on top of the bus lane program. And that was a huge success.

Not to mention the fact that the 98 goes down Granville, a much more practical choice than Cambie

In many ways the 98 B Line when it had use of the bus lanes along 3 road was better than the canada line

As a current Richmond resident and commuter, I can say that when I see 5 to 6 98s back-to-back arriving at any Richmond bus stop, there's a traffic jam somewhere along the line. Even when the 98 had the 2 middle lanes, it was prone to things like traffic lights, stupid cars blocking the intersection, and Asian driving = human stupidity, in other words. A couple minutes here, a couple minutes there, and then once it gets to Vancouver, the 98 is just as fast (and useless) as the 10!

Yes, the 98 went down Granville, but that was out of convenience; the Granville Bridge emptied out onto Granville St, and Arthur Laing's moth was also on Granville. What, the 98's going to detour over to cambie!!?? Think before you post!

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I fail to see your source in which:

1.) you claim ALL UBC students are broke, non-tax-paying scrubs

2.) residents along Broadway are opposed to the extension

3.) "everyone else" (who?) is opposed to paying for a project that will reduce traffic along a major corridor

(businesses are opposed; that was a fact long before you came along)

Along with the businesses, a huge amount of residents along Broadway came out to the meeting to show support for not building the skytrain extension. Guess you didn't hear about that.

And by ever else, I mean all other peoples that wouldn't use or benefit from the skytrain extension, yet would expected to fund the project with their tax dollars. They will never go for it.

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Uhhh the majority ARE students. Many of them broke. Forget demographics. Find out how many 99 commuters have a U-Pass. Probably 85% or more. Is that enough proof that the majority of beneficiaries of the UBC skytrain extension are students?

It will never happen

And 100% of your brain is mush, but hey, numbers can mean anything here, especially when you make them up.

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Actually it is more than sufficient

Richmond spent $40,000.00 on each bus stop along 3 Road, on top of the bus lane program. And that was a huge success.

Not to mention the fact that the 98 goes down Granville, a much more practical choice than Cambie

In many ways the 98 B Line when it had use of the bus lanes along 3 road was better than the canada line

LOL.

The bus lane program was a disaster...it shaved off maybe 3-minutes for the 15-minute Richmond leg of the 99 B-Line.

The Canada Line hasn't even opened yet, and yet you're saying the 98 was better? Or do you mean better visually like how you've previously claimed?

With the Canada Line, you can get from Richmond City Centre to Bridgeport in 10-minutes with a reliable and frequent service and 25-minutes to Waterfront.

With the 98 B-Line, it doesn't follow its schedule and basically comes whenever it wants to and is most often full when it arrives mid-day and during peak. And it also takes about 45-minutes and up to an hour to get from terminus to terminus on the 98.

How is that better than the Canada Line?

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Along with the businesses, a huge amount of residents along Broadway came out to the meeting to show support for not building the skytrain extension. Guess you didn't hear about that.

And by ever else, I mean all other peoples that wouldn't use or benefit from the skytrain extension, yet would expected to fund the project with their tax dollars. They will never go for it.

You don't need to use or benefit from the Skytrain expansion to know it'll do wonders in terms of freeing up space on Broadway. As well, the available buses can potentially affect your region for the better in terms of increasing bus frequency.

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The 99 B-Line is more than sufficient? lol, if you rode transit you'd know it's quite the opposite. More than just students take transit.

The more you post, the more you seem like one other former member that was banned from three other forums. ;)

The hint is in his Richmond location, isn't it?

What they need is a 10-lane highway going in that direction.

What is the other forum that you speak of (aside from the two SS forums)?

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As a current Richmond resident and commuter, I can say that when I see 5 to 6 98s back-to-back arriving at any Richmond bus stop, there's a traffic jam somewhere along the line. Even when the 98 had the 2 middle lanes, it was prone to things like traffic lights, stupid cars blocking the intersection, and Asian driving = human stupidity, in other words. A couple minutes here, a couple minutes there, and then once it gets to Vancouver, the 98 is just as fast (and useless) as the 10!

Yes, the 98 went down Granville, but that was out of convenience; the Granville Bridge emptied out onto Granville St, and Arthur Laing's moth was also on Granville. What, the 98's going to detour over to cambie!!?? Think before you post!

I took the 98 everyday until the bus stops started getting ripped up for preparation of the skytrain

I never experienced any of the problems you mentioned. it was a very fast and efficient mode of transportation

And I mentioned the 98 going down granville as opposed to the sky train going down cambie. The granville route is much better than cambie not only because its faster, but because of the stops along the way. More important businesses, schools, high traffic areas, etc.

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I should also add that the 98 B-Line goes down Granville only because it's limited in routing because buses of course travel on roads.

The Canada Line is on Cambie because of employment and residential population centres that will add to ridership, like Oakridge Mall, Langara College, City Hall, VGH, Central Broadway, and it's also in the centre of the city.

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LOL.

The bus lane program was a disaster...it shaved off maybe 3-minutes for the 15-minute Richmond leg of the 99 B-Line.

The Canada Line hasn't even opened yet, and yet you're saying the 98 was better? Or do you mean better visually like how you've previously claimed?

With the Canada Line, you can get from Richmond City Centre to Bridgeport in 10-minutes with a reliable and frequent service and 25-minutes to Waterfront.

With the 98 B-Line, it doesn't follow its schedule and basically comes whenever it wants to and is most often full when it arrives mid-day and during peak. And it also takes about 45-minutes and up to an hour to get from terminus to terminus on the 98.

How is that better than the Canada Line?

They also raised taxes in Richmond after the Canada Line was proposed. Even after the majority of residents said they would not use it.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

The benefit has to out-weight the cost

In this case it doesn't

And neither does the skytrain extension to UBC

Thats why it will never happen

Unfortunately Richmond got strong-armed into the skytrain situation by the Province and all the Olympic hype

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