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I still can't understand why you're posting on this board all the time when you're in Seoul...go explore!

Anyway, nice selfish attitude :)

Explore? It's 2:45am...

And it's not "selfish" because it's not just me -- it's pretty much the same situation for most of the Richmond parts of the 491/496 routes, at the very least. There was a 400-signature petition prior to the routes' cancellations, including a bunch who are Marpole residents, not Richmond ones.

With all due respect, you're basically stating your opinion on a situation that you clearly have no understanding of. Which is on par with all the people calling the riders in question "whiners." They don't seem to have an undersanding of the situation either.

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I dunno about that, Bucky. It actually does take 25 minutes to get from RC to downtown. As well, there's actually a decent number of feeder buses west of Gilbert now; I've yet to see any rants in the Richmond News or Review, or the Delta papers for that matter, about passups like the pre-RAV era or longer trips.

The biggest losers in this RAV deal are those that live in Marpole, on the Granville stretch, and Granville Island (and that's all because of the extra transfer.) The winners are those commuting into downtown, downtown Richmond, and South-of-Fraser residents who use the CL.

I'm just curious: how did you come to the conclusion of an extra 20 minutes, when you have not even taken the CL?

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I dunno about that, Bucky. It actually does take 25 minutes to get from RC to downtown. As well, there's actually a decent number of feeder buses west of Gilbert now; I've yet to see any rants in the Richmond News or Review, or the Delta papers for that matter, about passups like the pre-RAV era or longer trips.

The biggest losers in this RAV deal are those that live in Marpole, on the Granville stretch, and Granville Island (and that's all because of the extra transfer.) The winners are those commuting into downtown, downtown Richmond, and South-of-Fraser residents who use the CL.

I'm just curious: how did you come to the conclusion of an extra 20 minutes, when you have not even taken the CL?

I was calculating the routing based on the estimates that were given prior to the CL's opening (which are optimal estimates, as you would expect). They added up to a 20-min increase from my area to downtown, and 30-min increase to UBC. (Remember that the 491 is about 2km longer than your 496 due to the Terra Nova stop).

No passups is good... but had they increased frequencies for the 491/496 like they really should've (maybe three or four years ago), that wouldn't even be happening in the first place. Instead, Richmond sent a huge chunk of its buses to do the 49 -- a Vancouver route.

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Well, if you were along one of those routes' corridors like me, you'd see why there's "whining." If I had stayed behind and if I hadn't graduated, my commute would've increased by 30 minutes one way. Even my house to downtown now takes about 20 minutes more than before. This is WITHOUT factoring in the time it takes to transfer. That is unacceptable no matter how you put it. It'd simply encourage people to give up and drive their cars instead.

I know for sure that when I get back home next year, I'm driving. Screw this whole mess.

Expecting to take a bus from some house in the suburbs express to downtown is unrealistic and financially unfeasible. The only reason that premium service existed in the first place is they needed to provide "something". Once a more reasonable solution was implemented that's what they went with. Given the huge money bleeders those buses where, it's probaby more feasible for you to drive anyways. In good news, RAV is feasible to enough people that it's so congested they should be moving up the extra train order to like yesterday. Obviously there is more than enough people getting in it to compensate for the odd angrly money bleeding bus ride that goes back to driving.

So ya, whining. Why should I foot a massive bill to make your life easy just so you can have a big house in the suburbs?

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I was calculating the routing based on the estimates that were given prior to the CL's opening (which are optimal estimates, as you would expect). They added up to a 20-min increase from my area to downtown, and 30-min increase to UBC. (Remember that the 491 is about 2km longer than your 496 due to the Terra Nova stop).

No passups is good... but had they increased frequencies for the 491/496 like they really should've (maybe three or four years ago), that wouldn't even be happening in the first place. Instead, Richmond sent a huge chunk of its buses to do the 49 -- a Vancouver route.

Vancovuer needs buses more than Richmond. That's a no brainer. The busses goign to UBC have had horrific passups for a good 30-40 years.

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I was calculating the routing based on the estimates that were given prior to the CL's opening (which are optimal estimates, as you would expect). They added up to a 20-min increase from my area to downtown, and 30-min increase to UBC. (Remember that the 491 is about 2km longer than your 496 due to the Terra Nova stop).

No passups is good... but had they increased frequencies for the 491/496 like they really should've (maybe three or four years ago), that wouldn't even be happening in the first place. Instead, Richmond sent a huge chunk of its buses to do the 49 -- a Vancouver route.

From your house (est. Seafair area - no specific address for privacy reasons) to UBC:

15-20 mins on the 401

12 minutes on the CL

30 minutes on the 49

=57-62 minutes.

From your house to downtown:

15-20 minutes on the 401

25 minutes on the CL

=40-45 minutes.

Come on; you CANNOT possibly expect me (ME, of all people) to believe you can bus from your house to UBC in under 30 minutes.

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From your house (est. Seafair area - no specific address for privacy reasons) to UBC:

15-20 mins on the 401

12 minutes on the CL

30 minutes on the 49

=57-62 minutes.

From your house to downtown:

15-20 minutes on the 401

25 minutes on the CL

=40-45 minutes.

Come on; you CANNOT possibly expect me (ME, of all people) to believe you can bus from your house to UBC in under 30 minutes.

Edit: Never mind, misread.

However, 15-20 minutes from my house to RC is a stretch for me... my average was 22 minutes. 20 minutes would be a "really good day." I'm skeptical about your stat for that one, unless you're on a really different time slot.

30 minutes on the 49 is also a stretch for me... that was the Granville-to-16th average for me. Granville-to-UBC took slightly longer (maybe around 35 minutes). The 43 was quicker to UBC than 49 for me, even though it's the opposite coming back.

I have a feeling you're using a REALLY different time slot from mine, because your estimates for 49 and 401 sound like heaven compared to what I was used to. (Please do let me know about the time slot, because I only got your numbers on really good days.)

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Edit: Never mind, misread.

However, 15-20 minutes from my house to RC is a stretch for me... my average was 22 minutes. 20 minutes would be a "really good day." I'm skeptical about your stat for that one, unless you're on a really different time slot.

30 minutes on the 49 is also a stretch for me... that was the Granville-to-16th average for me. Granville-to-UBC took slightly longer (maybe around 35 minutes). The 43 was quicker to UBC than 49 for me, even though it's the opposite coming back.

I have a feeling you're using a REALLY different time slot from mine, because your estimates for 49 and 401 sound like heaven compared to what I was used to. (Please do let me know about the time slot, because I only got your numbers on really good days.)

Morning rush, getting into UBC by 9am. I will literally bet my balls that I can get from RC to UBC via 49Ave in under 45 minutes.

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Morning rush, getting into UBC by 9am. I will literally bet my balls that I can get from RC to UBC via 49Ave in under 45 minutes.

Ahhhh, okay. I used to take a much earlier run that got me to campus by 8:15am (and, in some cases, even earlier). I think that might be the reason, because your numbers sounded a bit alien to me.

Must be the time slot.

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Explore? It's 2:45am...

And it's not "selfish" because it's not just me -- it's pretty much the same situation for most of the Richmond parts of the 491/496 routes, at the very least. There was a 400-signature petition prior to the routes' cancellations, including a bunch who are Marpole residents, not Richmond ones.

With all due respect, you're basically stating your opinion on a situation that you clearly have no understanding of. Which is on par with all the people calling the riders in question "whiners." They don't seem to have an undersanding of the situation either.

So? It's a weekend at 2:45 am. You should definetly still be out. Seoul isn't a little baby like Vancouver, things are still open!

Anyway, with all due respect, you have no idea if I understand the bus situation in Richmond or not. I never called anyone a 'whiner'. I simply said your 'screw it, I'll drive' attitude is...selfish :)

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Ahhhh, okay. I used to take a much earlier run that got me to campus by 8:15am (and, in some cases, even earlier). I think that might be the reason, because your numbers sounded a bit alien to me.

Must be the time slot.

At campus by 8:15am = no stopping at 49 and Maple for 10 minutes as the 'biters disembark.

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So? It's a weekend at 2:45 am. You should definetly still be out. Seoul isn't a little baby like Vancouver, things are still open!

Anyway, with all due respect, you have no idea if I understand the bus situation in Richmond or not. I never called anyone a 'whiner'. I simply said your 'screw it, I'll drive' attitude is...selfish :)

Things are still open, but there's no way to get around. All public transport stops around 12:30-1.

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Inane, think about what you just said there. With you and your pro-bike agenda, I wouldn't be the first one to call someone else selfish.

pro-bike agenda? sigh...you obviously haven't been reading, or at least understanding anything I've been saying.

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Things are still open, but there's no way to get around. All public transport stops around 12:30-1.

well unless you're sightseeing at 2:45 in the morning, you're usually already where you're at...

take a cab, they're dirt cheap anyway. I used to live Ssangmun way up north. A cab in the middle of night was only $20 max from sinchon.

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So? It's a weekend at 2:45 am. You should definetly still be out. Seoul isn't a little baby like Vancouver, things are still open!

Anyway, with all due respect, you have no idea if I understand the bus situation in Richmond or not. I never called anyone a 'whiner'. I simply said your 'screw it, I'll drive' attitude is...selfish :)

It kind of is, sure... But at the same time, TransLink wants to raise fares again but are screwing up like never before. Giving them more money for sub-par service just doesn't seem right. It feels like rewarding the Republicans for Bush's screw-ups.

And I can't go anywhere because the subways close at midnight. At night, all there is around this area are homeless people. (Edit: And I'm not a party animal. Going to bars and nightclubs is like asking me to go on a gay date with a rabbit.)

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see: Burrard Bike Lane trial.

see: sentiments towards Critical Mass

my sentiments towards critical mass? what are those exactly?

but sure, if you want to take 1 or 2 examples of where i think bikes are a good idea and label me, go ahead.

I'm still not sure how that makes me selfish.

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It kind of is, sure... But at the same time, TransLink wants to raise fares again but are screwing up like never before. Giving them more money for sub-par service just doesn't seem right. It feels like rewarding the Republicans for Bush's screw-ups.

And I can't go anywhere because the subways close at midnight. At night, all there is around this area are homeless people. (Edit: And I'm not a party animal. Going to bars and nightclubs is like asking me to go on a gay date with a rabbit.)

homeless people are harmless.

yes, translink is run by douchebags. when i mentioned this earlier, that they are unaccountable to no one i was thoroughly denounced and ridiculed.

translink needs more money, but also needs to be run with the public in mind, not political pressure.

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Refusal to provide TransLink with new funding options sends many residents back to the '50s -- and cars

By Gordon Price, Vancouver SunNovember 13, 2009

Tom Prendergast, the man who came from Chicago to run TransLink as the CEO, has resigned his position to run the continent's biggest transit system, the New York subway. No doubt, as he said, it's too attractive an opportunity to turn down.

But, as I was quoted as saying, it's a tragic turning point for the Metro Vancouver region. Not because Tom is leaving. The CEO of TransLink doesn't make the decisions; he implements the direction of his board, and whether he stays or goes doesn't determine the future of the region.

But the decision by the Mayors' Council late last month, supported by the appointed TransLink board, to choose "funding stabilization" as the choice for the 2010 10-year plan, even at another $130 million, is effectively a cap on transit expansion. No way will we be shaping the region's growth with a sustainable transportation strategy.

The growth south of the Fraser and east of North Road will be shaped by the expansion of the roads and bridges now underway.

This is what their future is going to look like:

- Port Mann ramps, north end.

In that sense, the truckers won. Paul Landry, writing for the B.C. Trucking Association in The Vancouver Sun this week, called for maintaining the status quo on transit while striking "a balance," i.e. more roads and bridges. And that's what we're getting: roads and bridges.

- Sea to Sky, finished.

- Golden Ears Bridge, up and running.

- Pitt River Bridge, just opened.

- Port Mann Bridge, under construction.

- Highway 1 expansion, underway.

- South and North Fraser Perimeter Roads, in process.

Interchanges, arterials, the Fraser Highway, the Lougheed Highway, the border-access roads: The list is staggering and hardly complete. And, given the current political realities -- the refusal to provide TransLink with new funding options -- there won't be many more buses running on all those new roads.

Simply, our transportation infrastructure for the next decade has already been determined. The options for the next generation have been chosen. And for those living in the expanding parts of the region, shaped by these roads and bridges, there will really be only one practical choice: the car.

We're going full speed ahead, backwards. To the world of the 1950s and '60s, when we assumed that we would be driving everywhere for everything, and went out and built it that way. Now, in most of the region, we're doing it again.

And that's tragic.

Yep, all true.

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